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post #481 of 5023
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

first off, you can't really compare volume numbers between different brands of receivers....

but, most importantly, is Dynamic Volume on? the default setting (midnight) is very aggressive in how much it compresses the sound dynamics, so it could explain the "muffled" sound you are hearing.

you should also ensure that all speakers are set to SMALL, and make sure the crossover on those CB-20's is at least 80Hz so you know the bass is going to the subwoofer.

"Zone 2" is the correct amp assign setting for a 5.1 setup....

I turned Dynamic volume off and the CB-20 i changed to 80Hz. The center is at 120Hz. I set the Sub at 180 for phase on the remote for the sub. The volume on the sub itself is 50 out of 100. I adjusted the db level for the sub from -12.0 to -8.0. Maybe my ears just need to get used to it but the sub is boomy instead of its usual "punchy" (i know that's not a word lol)
post #482 of 5023
as suggested in the other thread where you posted, you need to read through the Audyssey setup guide and re-run Audyssey.

set phase to 0, turn down the volume knob on the sub a bit, and leave the crossover bypassed (e.g. direct) when you re-run.
post #483 of 5023
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

as suggested in the other thread where you posted, you need to read through the Audyssey setup guide and re-run Audyssey.

set phase to 0, turn down the volume knob on the sub a bit, and leave the crossover bypassed (e.g. direct) when you re-run.

I did pretty much all the things that i could understand in layman terms. I tried following through with that page but it's just too much technical info than i can comprehend. I was just hoping to have like a dumbed down version. The bass is one thing that i guess i can live with it being less powerful but the sound isn't as "bright" as it used to be and i cant find anywhere including that thread on how to adjust both properly. Sorry if i missed it somewhere but I went through the owners thread and the Audessy thread as well.
post #484 of 5023
In the manual it states to disable the volume adjustment and crossover frequency setting.

So instead of having my sub at 50 out 100, the receiver wants me to have it at 0 out of 100 during audio calibration?
post #485 of 5023
The manual discusses two different setups based on whether your sub has a "DIRECT" mode or not. You are discussing the "DIRECT" mode procedure. I would guess that most do not have a direct mode which is why the setup procedure suggested most often in these threads is the 2nd one listed in your manual ...

Volume: 12 o'clock
Crossover Frequency: maximum/highest setting
Lowpass filter: OFF
Standby/AUTO mode: OFF (ie sub should be set to ON when doing the AUTO SETUP)
post #486 of 5023
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The manual discusses two different setups based on whether your sub has a "DIRECT" mode or not. You are discussing the "DIRECT" mode procedure. I would guess that most do not have a direct mode which is why the setup procedure suggested most often in these threads is the 2nd one listed in your manual ...

Volume: 12 o'clock
Crossover Frequency: maximum/highest setting
Lowpass filter: OFF
Standby/AUTO mode: OFF (ie sub should be set to ON when doing the AUTO SETUP)

I tinkered around with it until the reading after calibration was +1.5db instead of the usual -12.0. My ears are still getting used to it but i guess i just need to raise the center channel level and lower the sub a bit because although everything sounds balanced it still sounds a bit muffled, i cant listen to this at night so far lol
post #487 of 5023
At this point you are free to adjust the individual speaker and sub channel levels to suit your preference, although suggest you give it 2-3 weeks so you can adjust to the Audyssey filtering first. Although you can adjust the channel levels at any point without affecting the filtering process. Keep in mind, you can also adjust the Dyn EQ Reference Level Offset to 10 or 15 to improve the dialog from the center speaker when watching TV.
post #488 of 5023
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Originally Posted by senseaglesfan47 View Post

...although everything sounds balanced it still sounds a bit muffled...

If you are referring to film dialog, Audyssey, and especially DynEQ, can sometimes highlight CC problems as it optimizes the surround experience. Your miniCC should ideally be at seated ear level, or at least angled so it's pointed at your head. It should not be pushed back on a shelf or be within 10" of the floor. Also, make sure all the drivers of the CC are working by putting your ear up to each.
post #489 of 5023
+1

I always forget about that tip.
post #490 of 5023
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

If you are referring to film dialog, Audyssey, and especially DynEQ, can sometimes highlight CC problems as it optimizes the surround experience. Your miniCC should ideally be at seated ear level, or at least angled so it's pointed at your head. It should not be pushed back on a shelf or be within 10" of the floor. Also, make sure all the drivers of the CC are working by putting your ear up to each.

The CC is 20" Off the floor and my ears are roughly 40" (give or take) off the floor. So i should slide something under the speaker to angle it more towards my ears? What's a good way to angle a speaker.
post #491 of 5023
Well I have been reading Batpig's awesome page and your posts for months. I am a hobby home audio enthusiast. I purchased the 791 after much research and hope to get my home theater to the next level. I had a older Sony I have had 8 years, it did all I wanted. I wanted the multiple hdmi inputs. I am currently running my dvr/dishnetwork, xbox 360, ps3, into my reciever, then to my samsung 55 lcd. I have done the setup pretty exclusive to the manual and deciphered it by reading batpigs page. I know its a bit childish but my old sony would display a bright blue light when decoding in dts when watching certain hd channels on dish, always on the 360. With the 791, i get plII on the xbox, i havent had any change in audio other than dolby digital while watching dish. Is this decoding in DTS, just not putting the info so I can see it? Im a little frustrated, when the old reciever would decode in DTS there was a noticeable difference in the sound quality, so far with the 791 I have not noticed this. The sound is great but Im not sire it's 500 better. I am also having some issues with my harmony one, the volume is signigicantly delayed, I have tried setup multiple times and not able to correct it.
post #492 of 5023
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Originally Posted by rwitt81 View Post

I know its a bit childish but my old sony would display a bright blue light when decoding in dts when watching certain hd channels on dish, always on the 360. With the 791, i get plII on the xbox, i havent had any change in audio other than dolby digital while watching dish. Is this decoding in DTS, just not putting the info so I can see it?

HD TV channels are broadcast in Dolby Digital, not DTS so not sure how you were getting DTS. The display of DD PLII is the mode used to simulate 5.1 surround sound when SD 2CH audio is received. You can also use DTS NEO:6 if you choose. If the front panel display doesn't say "DTS ..." then you're not receiving DTS or using the DTS simulation surround mode. You can review the various surround modes on p. 27 of your Owner's manual.
post #493 of 5023
I just noticed while reviewing p. 14 of the 791 manual (likely in all the manuals) under the heading "About HDMI Cables", bullet #2 says:

"When the ARC function is used, connect a device with a 'Standard HDMI cable with Ethernet' or a 'High Speed HDMI cable with Ethernet' for HDMI 1.4"

Although these cables can certainly be used, the non-ethernet HDMI cables (formerly known as HDMI 1.3 cables) will work just as well. Keep in mind though, you'll want to use only "Hi Speed" HDMI cables when connecting to a 1080p HDTV.
post #494 of 5023
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Originally Posted by senseaglesfan47 View Post

... What's a good way to angle a speaker.

I cannot place mine at ear level either. At first it was pushed back on a shelf and too low (=bad SQ), so I slid it forward till the front edge was just sticking out. Then I rolled up a piece of old 1/4" rubber yoga mat and placed it under the CC speaker cabinet's front edge to create the proper angle. Now that I have it on top of my cabinet, I use a thin little piece of the mat under the front edge to keep it from sliding forward and two wedge shaped blocks of styrofoam I fashioned for under the rear corners.
post #495 of 5023
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Originally Posted by rwitt81 View Post

I know its a bit childish but my old sony would display a bright blue light when decoding in dts

I think the confusion here is that the Sony "blue light" is NOT indicating a DTS input, it comes on when decoding ANY multichannel digital signal. That could be DTS but the light also comes on for Dolby Digital.

As JD indicated, neither cable boxes nor the Xbox 360 output DTS; rather you were probably getting Dolby Digital 5.1 and seeing the "blue light" assumed you were getting a DTS input.

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when the old reciever would decode in DTS there was a noticeable difference in the sound quality, so far with the 791 I have not noticed this

again, it wasn't "decoding in DTS", it was simply decoding a digital multichannel signal (which may or may not be DTS). The reason you noticed such better sound quality with the "blue light" on was that your older Sony probably didn't have Pro Logic II, so when it didn't get a multichannel input it used much older matrixing technology to "simulate" the surround sound.
post #496 of 5023
I am a newbie thinking about buying the 1911. My question is after I calibrate my speakers with Audyssey, can I make small tweeks to the sound like changing the bass or treble or boosting the level of the center speaker?
post #497 of 5023
see my FAQ: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

give that Audyssey section a read-through and it should answer most of your potential questions about Denons and Audyssey.
post #498 of 5023
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

see my FAQ: http://batpigworld.com/fadq.html#audyssey

give that Audyssey section a read-through and it should answer most of your potential questions about Denons and Audyssey.

Thanks Batpig. For this newbie, however, I had trouble understanding a lot of what I read. It sounds like I can change the levels of speakers without screwing up Audyssey, but I cannot change bass and treble without screwing things up. Is that correct? Thanks.
post #499 of 5023
Can someone say if 891 has metal face plate or not. The plastic one on 2310 looks super cheap, and 2311 is probably no better. The metal on 3310 looks much nicer.
post #500 of 5023
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Originally Posted by NewbieRob View Post

Thanks Batpig. For this newbie, however, I had trouble understanding a lot of what I read. It sounds like I can change the levels of speakers without screwing up Audyssey, but I cannot change bass and treble without screwing things up. Is that correct? Thanks.

Rob, the Audyssey allowed tweaks include:
raising the crossovers,
adjusting the trim levels of the channels, with CC and sub being the most popular to adjust,
bass and treble only if DynEQ is not engaged (though I believe some Onkyo models do allow this with DynEQ),
selecting between the Audyssey and Audyssey Flat Curve (the Flat curve is brighter).
In addition, you can apply another EQ treatment called Restorer along with Audyssey. This adds bass, highs and dynamic range depending on the setting and is intended to compensate for compromised sources such as MPEG files.

The entire goal of Audyssey is to provide reference SQ by compensating for the deficiencies in your speakers and your room. It is constantly tweaking to achieve this in ways you cannot hope to manually. Most folks immediately hear and love the difference Audyssey makes. But for some, like myself, it may take a short while to get used to DynEQ's uncanny ability to adjust the EQ for lower listening levels. It is just freaky to hear soft music with highs and lows intact. Audyssey is an amazing breakthrough in audio technology and DynEq doubled the payoff.
post #501 of 5023
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Originally Posted by funkyman View Post

The Receiver has a SUB pre out connection(see photo),however my sub is a car woofer with two left and right terminals,any idea as to where it would be best connected.The receiver is a 7+1 90w per channel. I am using a 2+1 for now and will connect my rear surrounds later,haven`t wether to go wireless with them.I`m afraid that i won`t be able to play with the dedicated sub woofer adjustments from the menu,if i should connect it to a diferent terminal.any solutions or ideas would be welcome.I assume that the Sub pre out has no amplification or power.

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post #502 of 5023
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Originally Posted by funkyman View Post

But anyway any ideas

Yes you are right, the sophisticated bass management and even more sophisticated Audyssey filters on the sub channel depend on a powered sub. So here's my suggestion. Assuming you have no speaker budget right now to buy a real sub and real speakers (yes, those Bose gotta go, too, dude!), then just find any old amp and use it to power that car sub. Run the sub preout from the AVR to two channels of this sub amp by using an RCA Y splitter and connect those 2 channels to the terminals on the sub as instructed in your sub OM.
post #503 of 5023
While using my 360 i found that I can change the audio source to dts. That makes much more sense that the older receiver was just simulating the audio. Thank you for the enlightenment. Have any suggestions on why my harmony is not changing the volume so slow. I have changed the response time several times and had no change. I have reset it to 100 ms. Again thank you for your help.
post #504 of 5023
Question on the 791:
Can I have 5.1 going to one source and the other 2 speakers for Zone 2 to another source, BOTH digital though. (ie one is say my cable which is via HDMI and the zone 2 are via optical to my PC) My current Onkyo 606 doesnt allow for zone 2 to be digital

Also how effective is the dynamic volume for loud commercials in a real setting?


Thanks
post #505 of 5023
Just as with your Onkyo, only "analog" sources can be sent to Zone 2. You have to step up to the 3311/991 in order to send either analog or digital PCM 2.0 to Zone 2.

Dyn Volume will work effectively on loud commercials for most channels, although there may be a few that it doesn't work as well on .... still better to have than not to have.
post #506 of 5023
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

just as an FYI, the upcoming AVR 991 model is sort of a "middle ground model" between the 2311 and 3311 both in features and price point. If you are a little gun shy about the cost of the 3311, the 991 "twin" model will offer everything that the 3311 has (including MultEQ XT and network features) at only a slightly higher price point than the 2311.

The 991 is basically a 3311 with no pre-outs, no front HDMI input, one one HDMI output, and the "CI" features stripped out (so no Zone 3, no RS-232 serial control, no enhanced multizone features, no 12V triggers). But you do get the better amps, MultEQ XT, Audyssey DSX, networking, AL24+ processing, etc. of the 3311 model... so you get your Flickr, Pandora, etc. stuff at a slightly lower price point.

not to throw a wrench in the gears just food for thought!

I did like the 991 for all your reasons, but I need a new AVR NOW so went for the 3311.
post #507 of 5023
Anyone have a video or pics of what the GUI looks like when using an ipod on the 791? Also does it come with the ipod cable or is that separate? Thanks
post #508 of 5023
Dear all:

I have a problem getting the TV sound via ARC.

My new Panasonic TV GW20 is connected via a high-speed HDMI cable to a Denon 1911's output HDMI socket. On the GW20, I use the HDMI socket No. 2 which is marked with "ARC".

In the Denon HDMI Setup, both "Control", and "AutoLipSync" are set to "On", "Audio Out" to "Amp", "Standby" to "last" and "PowerOff" to "all". The Input-Assign is on"Default".

In the Panasonic's setup menu, under Connection Settings "VIERA Link" is switched to "On", all other settings are also set to"on" or "Auto". In the "VIERA link" menu, I afterwards selected "Home Cinema" ("Heimkino"), not "TV".

Using these settings, the speakers remain silent when I try to play the TV's audio. HDMI control seems to work to a certain degree, because when I switch in the VIERA link menu to "Home Cinema", the Denon powers up. The Denon's display, however, is not showing the correct Audio signal as sent by the Panasonic, e.g. "Dolby Digital", even if the TV programm is in 5.1. All it shows is "Stereo", but there's no sound at all and the TV is muted, too.

Does anyone have any idea how I get the sound from ARC to work? Via Blue-Ray or DVD player the sound is played as it should be. I also tried a different high-speed HDMI cable but without any success. It all works with an additional optical cable, of course, but with the Denon only having one optical input, I'd rather use that one for my CD player.

I'm thankful for every tip!

Regards,
jungspund
post #509 of 5023
It's either a setting on the Panny or a glitch with the 1911 as the only setting on the 1911 is for HDMI Control to be ON. Check to see if there isn't a specific ARC setting on the Panny. If not, then try resetting the microprocessor on the 1911 (p. 80). Also, make sure you have DD 5.1 turned ON on the Panny if that is a separate setting.
post #510 of 5023
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Originally Posted by jungspund View Post

Dear all:

I have a problem getting the TV sound via ARC.

My new Panasonic TV GW20 is connected via a high-speed HDMI cable to a Denon 1911's output HDMI socket. On the GW20, I use the HDMI socket No. 2 which is marked with "ARC".

In the Denon HDMI Setup, both "Control", and "AutoLipSync" are set to "On", "Audio Out" to "Amp", "Standby" to "last" and "PowerOff" to "all". The Input-Assign is on"Default".

In the Panasonic's setup menu, under Connection Settings "VIERA Link" is switched to "On", all other settings are also set to"on" or "Auto". In the "VIERA link" menu, I afterwards selected "Home Cinema" ("Heimkino"), not "TV".

Using these settings, the speakers remain silent when I try to play the TV's audio. HDMI control seems to work to a certain degree, because when I switch in the VIERA link menu to "Home Cinema", the Denon powers up. The Denon's display, however, is not showing the correct Audio signal as sent by the Panasonic, e.g. "Dolby Digital", even if the TV programm is in 5.1. All it shows is "Stereo", but there's no sound at all and the TV is muted, too.

Does anyone have any idea how I get the sound from ARC to work? Via Blue-Ray or DVD player the sound is played as it should be. I also tried a different high-speed HDMI cable but without any success. It all works with an additional optical cable, of course, but with the Denon only having one optical input, I'd rather use that one for my CD player.

I'm thankful for every tip!

Regards,
jungspund

I have the North American version of the GW20, the G20. The American and European models share the same panel but have very different electronics and features. So I can only make some guesses based on my G20.

In the G20 "Settings" menu, there is a submenu for Vieralink. There we have an option for speakers .... TV or Home Theater. I need to select Home Theater to have audio output over the optical/TOSLINK port.

You might try looking for a similar option in your GW20.

Edit: Oops, I see you've already figured out that part. Perhaps Paul the octopus will know?
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