*Official* Denon AVR-1911/791 & AVR-2311CI/891 Owner's Thread - Page 28

On the Denon AVR-891 I enabled HDMI Control. I am now able to watch & listen to the Cable Box through the TV speakers when the AVR is off. However, when the AVR is on and I change the volume, the OSD displays two overlapping volume images. One is the normal "Master Volume" display. The other shows "AVR 891" with a whole number for the volume. Turning off the HDMI Control removes the extra "AVR 891" volume display.

Is there a setting/config to remove the extra volume display when HDMI Control is on?

looks and features....

Onkyo's generally stuff in more features for the dollar. For example, the Onkyo 707 has THX processing and Audyssey DSX, both of which are not on the Denon.

Denon's tend to be slightly pricier but have a reputation for better quality and "core" featureset. The Denon will have better video processing, if that matters.

Overall, they are very similar...

no, there is no "double volume" setting

the "extra" volume display is being generated by your TV through HDMI-CEC control. The reason it disappears when you turn off HDMI-Control is that prevents the TV from controlling the AVR.

You can probably just turn off HDMI-CEC in your TV (e.g. Anynet+ for Samsung, AquosLink for Sharp, etc) and it should stop the double display. You could also turn off the Denon's volume display (Manual Setup > Option Setup) and then the only one would be the TV generated display.

I dont foresee my self going past 5.1 within 4 years, so I would say DSX isn't a concern for me.
As for THX Select2 that the Onkyo has, what is the main benefit of that? Am I missing something big there?

Overall I like the design of both, I do very much like the amount of information that is out there about the Denon (particualrly your website) and that makes me feel very good about it. Coupled with the Video passthrough/molestation issues, is making me lean towards denon. However I don't want to give up THX if its going to be useful.

THX systems generally work better at louder volumes so are a good pick especially when using 4 ohm speakers. As bp notes, choose the Denon for the better quality and better forum support should you need help with your setup.

It looks like I am leaning towards the Klipsch RF-82/RF-62, which are 8 ohm speakers. So since its 8 ohm, I should be good even getting the Denon even without the THX?

Correct. Call Denon authorized dealer Electronics Expo for their best deal and enjoy your new AVR.

Thanks Batpig... I made the change to 80hz for the xover the fronts and rears and left the sub alone. I am guessing this should mean when i play 2 channel direct or pure direct, the sub should switch on to help with the frequencys below 80hz... that's what my 2805 did.

On a side note, I saw on the denon uk website that the 2311 got a 5 star award from What Hifi

http://www.denon.co.uk/site/frames_m...detail&Pid=458

Not saying what hifi are the most respected source of reviews, but they gave the 2310 a award last year too, so makes me feel good about the purchase.

I am struggling to get my remote to work with my 10 + year old Marantz CD player CD63 -MKII KI Signature... I went through the onscreen remote programming and found Marantz in the list, but it does not respond. I setup the sony dvd player with no problems. The old 2805 worked fine with the marantz.... I know it's got some Philips techonology behind it.. could it be i should look around for some other codes?

Thanks!

Yes, OM p 57 indicates that by default Direct/Stereo mode (Setting: Basic) the settings you've already made during speaker setup are applied. Hey I just noticed the the LFE LPF does not have to be manually raised from 80 as default is the correct 120 Hz.

i guess i'm not understanding something about 4 ohm vs. 8 ohm...

i thought 4 ohm speakers required more power from the amps just to drive them at the same level as 8 ohm speakers. and since THX systems work better (or get the real benefit of THX processing) at louder movie-theater-type volumes, doesn't this mean that an amp is going to have to work even harder driving 4 ohm speakers at THX levels? meaning that the 8 ohm would be a better choice especially for THX?

thanks
bc

Short question on the 1911:

I cant for the life of me figure out how to get it to mix stereo sound into 5.1, as in some sort of PL II

On my old Yamaha this was simple but on the Denon when I choose PL II Cinema by pressing the "standard"-button it's still only 2 channel sound. Obviously, I'm doing something wrong, but what?

I think it's called the simulation button. Should come up as multi channel stereo.

Not really sure what you're asking ... an amp will work harder to drive 4 ohm speakers at the same volume level as an 8 ohm speaker. THX "certified" AVRs generally don't distort at reference level volumes, and therefore would also not have much problem driving 4 ohm speakers, although not necessarily at reference level volumes, simply just driving them period. However, just because an AVR is not THX "certified" doesn't mean it does not meet the requirements to be certified ... it simply means that the mfr didn't want to pay the fee if it does indeed meet the requirements. Although Denon AVRs are rated for 6-16 ohm speakers, AVS forum posters with 4 ohm speakers have have posted no issues driving 4 ohm speakers at "below" reference level volumes. If reference level volume is the norm with 4 ohm speakers, then the 3311 with an external amp is suggested.

What kind of signal are you inputting and from what source? With a stereo 2.0 source playing, press the STANDARD button until you see Dolby PLII should simulate 5.1 surround sound. If this is not the case, you might need to reset the microprocessor (p. 80).

Thanks for your suggestions, I've now found the problem!
Having "Auto surround mode" to ON (default) was the culprit.
With this set to off, stereo sources (like TV eps of Twin Peaks :P ) can now be mixed to 5.1 PL II

that is not normal. Auto Surround should be irrelevant to the function of PLII.

This was likely just a coincidence. As bp notes, that setting should have no effect on your issue as that is a default setting that likely no one EVER turns OFF and they still get DD PLII on stereo sources.

I agree, it struck me as odd too.
I can tell you though, I've tried to get this to work for a week now without luck, flipping through all available audio options and pressing every button. I've been able to choose MULTI CH STEREO, PL II Cinema etc. before but sound still only played through the front speakers.
Today, as soon as I turned auto surr off - it worked.

I'll double check this tomorrow to make sure I'm not lying to you.

Well I've spent the whole morning installing the 2311 and I'm getting video but no audio. It's just like a muffled sound and when I try do the Audyssey setup, it just says "No microphone or speaker". I've checked the speaker connections many times and they seem fine. I've also tried several inputs including tuner to see if I could at least get the radio and nothing. I don't know why I'm not getting audio? Any help would be appreciated as I also tried Denon support and they're closed for the weekend.

Hi. Is this an openbox unit? Check that the mic is an DM A409. Also, try doing a reset the microprocessor procedure.

I must fess up to gettting a open box unit myself... what's the reason for people selling the boxes open (to check they are ok)... some must be returned or used...? any other reason?

I can't answer authoritatively, but I am aware of several different "open-box" scenarios. I myself bought more than 1 demo unit off the display rack at BB, the 988 because it was last year's model being cleared out, the 789 because they had opened an extra one by mistake. Those were both considered open box. Also at BB, there are a variety of TV's, AVR's, etc. returned by customers within the 30 d period for a variety of reasons. These are then placed on the open box shelf and labelled as such, the most typical open box scenario. I believe Denon AVR's have been overrepresented there because they have had poor OM's, are not very intuitive for setup and have had inane features like 2 sided remotes and a tiny power button next to a big standby button on the front. Other stores and internet resellers may certainly have units returned for similar reasons. However, I suspect some of those e-resellers sometimes just cut the top of the box open so they can move the units they have in stock out at a discount.

With open box, one must verify the correct remote and mic and it is also wise to begin by doing the reset as a precautionary measure prior to autosetup.

As far as I know if wasn't "open box". My NHT fronts and subs (2 subs) are connected together to NHT amplifiers and it seems the Denon 2311 is not recognizing the "L Front" which is the first in the setup. Anyone else have this configuration, maybe they can help? I'll look to see if I can find the "reset the microprocessor procedure" in the manual.

"Reset the microprocessor" is listed in the OM index under troubleshooting and is on p 80. Note the display blinks to be sure it worked. Then, before you try autosetup again, be sure there is no short (stray strands of speaker wire touching, etc. for the L speaker. If it says no speaker detected, switch out the L front for a different speaker to rule out a bad speaker, though that's unlikely if you were using these speakers before. If it says no mic detected, it is likely a bad mic, cord or jack. If you have a Denon dealer nearby you can also take your mic in and ask them to test it in one of their units. If it's bad, they might even loan you one just to run autosetup. BB has been known to do this, even if you did not purchase there. For a bad mic, or if none of this works, contact your dealer or Denon CS for a replacement mic or AVR. Good luck.

Alright, this is really weird. I cant recreate the problem - it's poof, gone!
As you said, Auto surround doesn't make any difference now. So most likely I must have done something else to solve it but I cant figure out what.
Ah, nvm. It's all good now anyway

Thanks, but no dice. I connected everything again which takes a long time and no sound at all. I must have done the "Reset the microprocessor" about 3 times. What's strange is the 2311 displays all seven speakers on the front of the unit but I get no sound. I guess I have a bad unit.

Sorry. I guess you should call your dealer.

I do want to clarify that the speakers are connected directly to the speaker posts on the Denon, right? And the NHT's are just for driving the 2 passive subs off the AVR sub preout?

Yes, 7 channels (R, L, SurrR, SurrL, SurrBR, SurrBL and Center) are connected to the speaker terminals of the Denon except the subs which are connected to the NHT A1's which are connected to the crossover and then connected to the Denon Sub input (the one on the left). What is the one on the right for?

It's another sub pre-out for connecting a second sub.

How do I connect an older sub that has right and left connections to the 1911? I have an older JBL PSW-1000 subwoofer.