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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

It's not the AVR with the issue .. rather it's the cable boxes as in many cases they were never designed to be run through an HDMI repeater (ie. AVR) rather only directly to the TV.

Even without the AVR, there are handshake issues between cable boxes and TV's. It is true that the problem lies with the cable boxes, perhaps because they were originally designed to use analog video outputs, and HDMI was an afterthought? Or, it could be the HDMI protocol. I've read lots of stuff that's highly critical of the HDMI standards, claiming that it was industry's desire to prevent copying that drove it.

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I'm going to buy device on Monday. Now deciding between Denon 1611 and Yamaha 467.

I need Amp to be able to act as a "HDMI HUB" as I have only 1 HDMI input in my TV. All other devices (sat tuner, DVD, PC, NMP) will be conected to AMP via HDMI.

Does Denon pass video well? No issues with that?

Thanks
The Denon 1611 has no video card so will pass the video through in the same resolution as it's received.
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Originally Posted by rahull

Actually you have it backwards. Higher numbers mean higher resistance.
A simple power formula is "current squared divided by resistance" so the
higher the resistance the lower the current and the smaller the power supply for a given level.

Not to be a smarta\$\$, but your second paragraph's equation is wrong.
P=IV=I*I*R=I^2*R=I squared * R
The lower the R, the more current (I) will flow and it's effect is squared, whereas the R's effect in the formula (P = I squared * R) is linear. Net result: lower R = higher current.
I have my cable box connected via HDMI to my 591. Had the audio drop out, which happens from time to time. Changing the channel or cycling the cable box on and off will fix the problem.

This time, though, I changed my mind and decided to listen the radio instead of watching TV. No audio! I have no audio when using the tuner!

Anything I can try other than resetting the processor? If I do that will I have to run Audyssey again, set up and label all my inputs, preset the radio stations, etc?

I have audio on all the other inputs. Help!!!
Are you trying to listen to the TUNER while watching TV? If yes, you'll need to connect the cable box with a component cable to the 591 as well as the HDMI cable. Otherwise, try turning off the 591 and unplugging it for about 10 minutes. If the TUNER will still not play, then your next step would be a microprocessor reset which will return all settings to their factory defaults (although radio presets may remain). You'll also need to rerun AUTO SETUP as well.
Just listening to the tuner, not watching TV. I tried unplugging the 591 for well over 10 minutes. Didn't fix it. I guess I'll have to get my notes out and see if I can remember how I've set up all the inputs, and run Audyssey again. What a pain!
So I'm not sure if someone had any thoughts or answers to this, since i posted it earlier but here's a goofy question.

I have a 1611, and while i dont do this often enough, I am looking to get a similar receiver for a family member.

In order to watch tv while listening to say a cd player, I would hook up cable -> tv via hdmi, and cable -> receiver toslink. I can hook up a cd player/mp3 via digital coax or red whites. That works fine (havent tried digital coax) but when using mp3 via red white, for some reason I need the cable box to be on in order for just the receiver to give me audio via mp3 in via red/white. Is there a reason for this?

The only connection between the cable box and receiver is toslink in. Not sure why the cable box needs to be powered on for the mp3 to work?
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Is the TV on as well when this happens? Try setting the HDMI-CEC (HDMI Control) setting on the TV to OFF.
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

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Is the TV on as well when this happens? Try setting the HDMI-CEC (HDMI Control) setting on the TV to OFF.

I think the tv power is plugged in through the cable box, and if I turn it(tv) off it works properly. But I still need the cable box on. Will check and report back.
I just purchases a Denon AVR 391. I can not get it to display DTS only multichannel, even when playing a DVD or BluRay. All conections are with HDMI. Any suggestions?
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This is due to a setting issue with your Blu Ray player .... if you want to see DTS on the AVR display, you need to set the player to "bitstream" or "direct." Currently the player is decoding the DTS to PCM which is why the 391 is showing "Mult Ch In."
Thanks jdsmoothie,

I have the option on my BD to either PCM or Auto. It is set to auto. Is there another spot that bitstream would be an option?
Thanks again to jdsmoothie,

I found in my owners manual under "bitstream", that by setting my BD Audio Mix to OFF, I now see DTS-HD. I would have never looked under bitstream. I don't even know what bitstream is, so...

Thanks a lot.

gents

PS. Nice forum for noobies like me.
I am having a similar situation to the last person, everything was working fine from my PS3 for blu ray outputting dolby sound, but today I was using the FM tuner and was "fiddling" with the output setting of what I thought was the FM station.
Now no matter what I do I cannot get the PS3 to output in Dolby, I also have an xbox 360 and it recognizes Dolby no problem. As I said before everything was working fine until today I was using the 591 FM tuner, I may have also unplugged the PS3 today as well...any suggestions??
Another question regarding seeing DTS on my AVR391. Do tv satetions broadcast in "DTS" or would I expect to see only Multi channel or Dolby?

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TV stations broadcast in either stereo 2.0 or DD 5.1 only.
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Originally Posted by wave1

I am having a similar situation to the last person, everything was working fine from my PS3 for blu ray outputting dolby sound, but today I was using the FM tuner and was "fiddling" with the output setting of what I thought was the FM station.
Now no matter what I do I cannot get the PS3 to output in Dolby, I also have an xbox 360 and it recognizes Dolby no problem. As I said before everything was working fine until today I was using the 591 FM tuner, I may have also unplugged the PS3 today as well...any suggestions??

This is a PS3 settings issue just as it was with gents on his BDP.
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 Originally Posted by gents I would have never looked under bitstream. I don't even know what bitstream is, so...
Literally, it's a stream of bits (0's and 1's). It's encoded (compressed). Therefore it needs to be decoded before your receiver can convert it to analog, amplify it, and send it out to your speakers. You can have your blu-ray player decode it before sending it to the receiver, in which case your receiver reports "Multi Ch In".

Alternatively, you can have your receiver decode it (that's what happens when you set your blu-ray player to "bitsream"). The only advantage to setting it up this way is that the receiver tells you which bitstream it's receiving (dts, Dolby 5.1, dts-HD, Dolby TrueHD, etc) so you know what you're getting.

My blu-ray player, for example, won't decode or bitstream dts-HD Master Audio, so all I get is regular old dts.
New to AVS, just bought a 591 today. Overall I am very pleased with it, and I find it relatively intuitive to use. The audyssey settings are truly a beauty to use after trying to set up levels on past systems manually.

Anyways, my question: I currently mainly use the SAT/CBL setting to watch TV, I have my cable box -> AVR-591 -> TV, all using HDMI. I am wondering, is it at all possible to use the dock setting for playing a separate audio source (iPod connected via 3.5mm to RCA outs) while still showing the SAT/CBL video source?

Even if I go in to the menu and set the video setting to SAT/CBL, it won't display. The only way I can get video is if I set the Input Assign to the SAT/CBL HDMI port, and then the Input Mode to Analog, however, this kills my video for the SAT/CBL setting...

Essentially I am trying to run the same video input for both the SAT/CBL source and the Dock source. Is this possible?
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Essentially I am trying to run the same video input for both the SAT/CBL source and the Dock source. Is this possible?

Yes it is possible. What you need to do is assign the component video input to your Dock Input and then connect a set of component video cables from your cable box to the component video input on the back for the AVR 591. Leave the HDMI cable in place from the cable box to the receiver.

Your cable box is capable of sending out video from the HDMI output and component video output simultaneously. Well at least all the ones I've seen can.

So then when you use the Dock input you can watch TV and listen to your iPod and if you just want to use the cable box for audio and video turn it to the CBL/Sat input.

Give it a try. I just did it using the Dock input on my 591. I have a DirecTV HD sat box and it can send out simultaneous video from component video and HDMI.
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Originally Posted by afrogt

Yes it is possible. What you need to do is assign the component video input to your Dock Input and then connect a set of component video cables from your cable box to the component video input on the back for the AVR 591. Leave the HDMI cable in place from the cable box to the receiver.

Awesome, thanks. A couple of more questions for you guys. Is there any way I can get my TV to turn on using the "Quick Select" buttons? I have an LG 32LD450, and I can't get it to communicate correctly. I have set up the remote code preset so the "TV Power" toggle button on the bottom works, but it won't turn on and off the TV with quick select. I don't know if this is possible or not.

Also, I was able to use one of the comcast presets to get the Denon remote to work for my cable box. Now, is there a channel return button? I can't seem to find one or a way to set one. I feel like this would be a big feature to leave out.
There is a return button on the remote but I don't know if it works with your cable box as a previous channel.

I use a Harmony remote so I don't have to worry about it.
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Originally Posted by GLrunner13

Anyways, my question: I currently mainly use the SAT/CBL setting to watch TV, I have my cable box -> AVR-591 -> TV, all using HDMI. I am wondering, is it at all possible to use the dock setting for playing a separate audio source (iPod connected via 3.5mm to RCA outs) while still showing the SAT/CBL video source?

This will also work if you plug the iPod into the SAT/CBL analog inputs and then with the SAT/CBL HDMI source selected change INPUT MODE to "Analog."
Every time i turn on the receiver it defaults to TV, is there a way to make it just turn on to the last used source?

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Yes .. turn the HDMI-CEC (Anynet+) setting in your TV to OFF.
My new 591 is not saving my settings such as my speaker levels. Anyone have any ideas why? Also I noticed bb has the 791 on sale now for \$450, \$100 more than the 591. Do you think it's worth the extra \$100. I don't care about the 7.1 now but more interested in how the extra power would sound. Thanks!
Speaker volume levels are global. If you're using a Quick Select to select a specific input then whatever volume levels you saved under the Quick Select will be restored. The increase in power of the 791 won't make any difference, rather select the 791 because it offers some extra feature you need that the 591 doesn't offer.
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more interested in how the extra power would sound.

have you read the first post?????

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Originally Posted by batpig

Q. Which entry level model is right for me?

A: First, it's important to understand that, in terms of audio performance and build quality, the AVR 591, 1611, 791, and 1911 are essentially IDENTICAL. They all use the same Audyssey processing, have the same DSP chips, same DAC's, same chassis, same amp section, and are built alongside each other in the same factory in China. The only difference is the features. If you don't need the extra features, save your money and get a lower level model.
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Originally Posted by batpig

have you read the first post?????

I did read it. It says the only difference are the features but that is not true. The 591 is 75 watts/channel and the 791 is 90 watts/channel.
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