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post #3121 of 4464
6/16/11 at 5:04pm
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it sounds like 1 and 2 are related, and HDMI-CEC is really NOT turned off in the display.

the 591 cannot generate on-screen volume graphics, it is being created by the display via HDMI-CEC. this could also be why the passthrough is flaky.

if you checked and FOR SURE the HDMI-CEC is turned off in the display, try unplugging all the HDMI cables, powering off all devices fully (unplug for 10 minutes to clear static charge), and then reconnect the cables and power back up. sometimes that will clear up the HDMI cobwebs...
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post #3122 of 4464
6/16/11 at 5:21pm
I have that same 591 receiver and tried the passthrough just for the sake of it. Its works fine. Your HDMI CEC must still be on your TV.

Like batpig said the volume can't be overlayed with this receiver so something else it doing it.

Are you using ARC on your receiver/TV? Is it even a 1.4a HDMI TV?
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post #3123 of 4464
6/17/11 at 12:22am
Hello everyone,

I just purchased the Denon AVR-591 and am very satisfied with the sound. I do have a puzzling issue with HDMI though.

I have read many pages in this thread about how the receiver does not touch the video signal, but just passes it through to the TV, one of the main reasons I bought it. Well, the receiver is touching my video when it is on, but not when its off. Basically certain colors, full red or blue seem to have their horizontal resolution cut in half.

This image below is pure red text on black. The text on top is when the receiver is 'off', but passing through video, and the bottom image is when the receiver is on. I have tested with 3 different sources (PC, PS3, Xbox360), on each HDMI input, on each tv HDMI input. Every time is the same result. Specifically red and blue will exhibit this issue, the same text in white does not produce this.

Any ideas on what the problem is and how to fix it?



FYI, my tv is a Toshiba 46SV670U.
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post #3124 of 4464
6/17/11 at 5:00am
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Did you try replacing the HDMI cables? What about resetting the microprocessor (p. 70)? As there is no video card, there are no adjustments that can be made on the 591 itself. You may want to give Denon a call or replace the AVR.
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post #3125 of 4464
6/17/11 at 9:12am
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Originally Posted by drader70
hello - picked up a 591 for a ridiculous price. Plasma hum came through speakers, so I bought a Yamaha 467. No hum, and everything actually worked better than the Denon (no handshake issues) but the Denon sounded sooo much better I went back to it. This time - no hum! All I did was hook it back up, exactly the same and there's no hum now. But I have a few issues I'm hoping you guys might have some ideas:

1. The passthrough does not work well. I have it set to always go to DVR/TV input when "off". When I turn on TV it works fine, but when I change volume on TV everything changes to black; then I am forced to turn on 591. I have turned off CEC at TV; left on at 591

2. no matter what I can not get rid of the volume display on screen (when changing volume). I can set it to off, put it top or bottom - no difference. It wasn't there for first couple days, and now it won't leave. I find this really annoying as I change volume depending on action or who's sleeping, etc.
Some 591s had this humming/buzzing issue with some Samsung plasmas, so when you got another 591 you might have gotten one of the "better" ones.

As for the passthrough - it looks like you have HDMI-CEC turned ON on the TV, but you don't need it for the passthrough to work.
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post #3126 of 4464
6/17/11 at 2:02pm
So I was set on the 391 then the 591 because of audyssey and more importantly the video conversion, and finally the 1611 because it seems to be cheaper then the 591 for unknown reasons.

Right now I'm using a partly crippled 10 year old sony AVR(with less emphasis on the V) that I'm impressed still works (has to have a few shorts/broken solder points inside, but it still works, mostly). Due to ease of use issues I currently have the TV handle all the audio/video and just use the AVR to drive the speakers via an optical cable (less than ideal).

I've been reading the thread and there have been some creative solution to various problems. Looking to hook up a xbox (component) + 2 hdmi (cable+blu-ray) and for audio and video to happily hold hands via simple change of input (i.e. everything to one hdmi cable to the tv) or I will experience weeping, pain, and gnashing of teeth.

If you had to guess would the 1611 fit the bill?

We could address longevity as well, as you see how frequently I buy new equipment.
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post #3127 of 4464
6/17/11 at 2:32pm
Either the 591 or 1611 will fit the bill for you, whichever one you find cheapest. How cheap are you finding the 1611?
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post #3128 of 4464
6/17/11 at 2:33pm
Note the 591 passes the video. Doesn't process it or do any conversion/upscaling.
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post #3129 of 4464
6/17/11 at 2:35pm
neither does the 1611, just converts analog to HDMI.
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post #3130 of 4464
6/17/11 at 3:04pm
I have a Panasonic ST30 3D TV, along with a Denon 591 3D receiver. When I run my Directv receiver through my Denon 591 receiver via HDMI, I cannot view the 3D picture. The image is blurry. However, when I run the directv receiver to the TV directly via HDMI, I can see the 3D picture.

I am able to see it a 3D picture running the 3D bluray player through the Denon via HDMI.

Someone in the Directv forum suggested I play with the video settings in the Denon. He is using a Denon 891 and he has no problem viewing a 3D picture when he runs his Directv receiver through his Denon 891 via HDMI.

Thoughts! I don't know if it the Denon receiver problem or a Directv receiver problem

Thanks!
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post #3131 of 4464
6/17/11 at 3:14pm
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Unlike the 891 which has a video chip installed, the 591 does not .. so it's either going to pass through or it's not. Is the 891 owner using the same model DTV box as you? Does 2D pass through? It may be the result of an HDMI handshake issue with the DTV box.
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post #3132 of 4464
6/17/11 at 3:18pm
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Originally Posted by afrogt View Post

either the 591 or 1611 will fit the bill for you, whichever one you find cheapest. How cheap are you finding the 1611?

~250 at EExpo(authorized retailer correct?) sans shipping, should I be calling and asking them for a better deal?
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post #3133 of 4464
6/17/11 at 4:02pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Unlike the 891 which has a video chip installed, the 591 does not .. so it's either going to pass through or it's not. Is the 891 owner using the same model DTV box as you? Does 2D pass through? It may be the result of an HDMI handshake issue with the DTV box.

Not sure if he is using the same box. I do get a 2D image to pass through the receiver, the 3D image when via Directv is blurry. I do get a 3D bluray image when using the Denon receiver. Like you, I am thinking it's the Directv box, although it works when I hook it straight to the TV
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post #3134 of 4464
6/17/11 at 4:18pm
Many cable/sat boxes are NOT designed to be conneced to an HDMI switcher (ie AVR) which is why there is no issue connecting them directly to the TV. Your best bet is likely to just connect to the TV directly and let ARC pass the audio back to the 591.
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post #3135 of 4464
6/17/11 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by aboroman View Post

~250 at EExpo(authorized retailer correct?) sans shipping, should I be calling and asking them for a better deal?

My policy is that it never hurts to call! You've got nothing to lose.
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post #3136 of 4464
6/17/11 at 5:34pm
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My policy is that it never hurts to call! You've got nothing to lose.

Same price, low enough? lol
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post #3137 of 4464
6/17/11 at 6:45pm
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Originally Posted by aboroman View Post

I've been reading the thread and there have been some creative solution to various problems. Looking to hook up a xbox (component) + 2 hdmi (cable+blu-ray) and for audio and video to happily hold hands via simple change of input (i.e. everything to one hdmi cable to the tv) or I will experience weeping, pain, and gnashing of teeth.

If you had to guess would the 1611 fit the bill?

I love my 1611 and would highly recommend it. One of the reasons I chose it was for 7.1 support. It's great for an entry level 7.1 receiver.

Getting to your question though, there is no guarantee that everything will work via HDMI input through any AVR. If you follow this thread, you'll see a lot of talk about pass through issues. It's common for cable boxes not to work properly when connected via HDMI to an AVR (though I have two connected through Denon 1611 and 1610 receivers that are working great).

If this is an issue under your configuration, you may need to connect your cable box (or other device) to your tv via HDMI and get the audio to your AVR via another route. You will then need to change the source on the tv to watch that device in addition to selecting the source on the AVR. Some people use universal remotes that support macros to offset the resulting pain. I don't have this issue and hopefully you won't either, but with cable boxes especially, you'll just have to try it.
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post #3138 of 4464
6/17/11 at 7:14pm
just bought 591 and polk RM510 speaker set...trying to figure out best subwoofer/lfe/frequency setting for my sub.
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post #3139 of 4464
6/17/11 at 7:31pm
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Originally Posted by Vampidemic View Post

I love my 1611 and would highly recommend it. One of the reasons I chose it was for 7.1 support. It's great for an entry level 7.1 receiver.

Getting to your question though, there is no guarantee that everything will work via HDMI input through any AVR. If you follow this thread, you'll see a lot of talk about pass through issues. It's common for cable boxes not to work properly when connected via HDMI to an AVR (though I have two connected through Denon 1611 and 1610 receivers that are working great).

If this is an issue under your configuration, you may need to connect your cable box (or other device) to your tv via HDMI and get the audio to your AVR via another route. You will then need to change the source on the tv to watch that device in addition to selecting the source on the AVR. Some people use universal remotes that support macros to offset the resulting pain. I don't have this issue and hopefully you won't either, but with cable boxes especially, you'll just have to try it.

Yeah the pain will be inflicted upon me, I have no problem with it personally but you know how it goes...I think its also about time to replace the RCA cable going to my sub....it came with a Nintendo, as in NES.
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post #3140 of 4464
6/17/11 at 9:44pm
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Originally Posted by josephbustamante View Post

just bought 591 and polk RM510 speaker set...trying to figure out best subwoofer/lfe/frequency setting for my sub.

What did Audyssey come up when you plugged in the mic and ran it?
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post #3141 of 4464
6/17/11 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Did you try replacing the HDMI cables? What about resetting the microprocessor (p. 70)? As there is no video card, there are no adjustments that can be made on the 591 itself. You may want to give Denon a call or replace the AVR.

3 different input cables: no change
3 different output cables: no change
Microprocessor reset: no change
Simulated sine wave power: no change

After some researching, it seems that the AVR is downsampling the color output to 4:2:2 or 4:2:0, basically halving my chroma resolution. I guess I will give Denon a ring, although I have messed with every setting possible. I will probably end up having to use a powered HDMI switch/splitter to get the clean HDMI signal to go to my tv.
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post #3142 of 4464
6/18/11 at 12:51am
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Originally Posted by aboroman View Post

Same price, low enough? lol

you called, and they couldnt lower the price?
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post #3143 of 4464
6/18/11 at 12:56am
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Originally Posted by blazed View Post

you called, and they couldnt lower the price?

They did.

Anyone know why they removed the AUX power jacks from 10->11?
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post #3144 of 4464
6/18/11 at 1:16am
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Most likely to be more cost competitive, although they can easily be replicated with a smart power strip.
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post #3145 of 4464
6/18/11 at 9:41am
I am considering the 1611, but have read reviews about the HDMI loosing connection with TV's and Blu Ray Players. Is this a real issue or am I reading sour grapes from people who set it up wrong?

Edit: Did a thread search. Yeah it seems to be an issue.
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post #3146 of 4464
6/18/11 at 10:03am
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HDMI handshake issues with cable/sat boxes are very real and affect many brands of AVRs, although the issue rests with the cable/sat boxes. The reviews you read could have been HDMI handshake issues, setup issues, or a defective AVR; however, connecting BDPs generally can be done without issue.
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post #3147 of 4464
6/18/11 at 12:59pm
P.S. to any interested parties. Denon's seem to have a bit more junk in their trunk depth wise vs. most other brands. Plan accordingly.
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post #3148 of 4464
6/18/11 at 5:07pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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HDMI handshake issues with cable/sat boxes are very real and affect many brands of AVRs, although the issue rests with the cable/sat boxes. The reviews you read could have been HDMI handshake issues, setup issues, or a defective AVR; however, connecting BDPs generally can be done without issue.

i dont use a cable box, but i only plan to use the denon 1611 with my ps3 for movies and games, and i would also like to hook up my PC.

do you think the denon 1611 will give me any problems?
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post #3149 of 4464
6/18/11 at 7:58pm
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Generally no issues with a PS3, but sometimes issues with an HTPC.
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post #3150 of 4464
6/18/11 at 10:04pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Generally no issues with a PS3, but sometimes issues with an HTPC.

ok thats fine. i'll just hook up the pc straight to the tv with an hdmi cable, and an optical from pc to receiver. that would work right?
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