*OFFICIAL* Denon AVR 391 / 591 / 1611 Owner's Thread - Page 117

You also may want to try the "sub crawl" for better placement of your sub as well as using a Subdude.

I can't get my 591 to recognize my BD player.

We've had all of the equipment installed for 6 months and everything was working, and operating via a Logitech 650 remote. I had to disconnect everything so my wife could get her room painted, now I hook it back up and no BD player.

In all we have the BD player, the 591, a DVR from our cable provider, and we also sometimes watch the TV directly from the cable bypassing the DVR. When I initially wired it I had no problems getting things to work, although it did take awhile to get the Harmony remote to do everything I wanted.

Now I plug everything back together and the 591 won't receive signals from the BD player. I can confirm that the 591 is sending video to the TV because I can see the crude 591 menus on the TV screen. I can confirm that the 591 is set to the correct input because it says "BD" on its menu and on the TV onscreen menu. I can confirm that the BD is connected to the correct HDMI port on the 591. I can also connect the BD direct to the TV through another HDMI port on the TV and confirm that the BD player is working. But BD->591->TV isn't working.

How can I get the 591 to recognize that something is indeed plugged into its HDMI port?

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Have you checked to see if the BD HDMI jack has gone bad by plugging another HDMI device into it? Also try plugging the BDP into each of the other HDMI jacks to see if one of them works.

I'm getting ready to pull my 1611 out of the entertainment center to hook up a new BDP and I have a couple of questions regarding my other connections.

1. I want to view the TV but listen to music at the same time. Is there a benefit either way to using component cables or hdmi to connect my cable box to the TV directly? The TV is 720p and has two hdmi connections. If hdmi, does it matter which one I use?

2. Does resetting the microprocessor on the 1611 erase my latest Audyssey calibration?

3. Is there a proper protocol for resetting the microprocessor (e.g. disconnect everything first, leave everything connected but turn it all on in a certain order afterward, etc.)?

4. In order to avoid handshake confusion I've found it necessary to turn everything on in a particular order, then turn it off in the reverse order. Is this common, or will changing the cable video hookup directly to the TV and/or resetting the microprocessor possibly make this unneccesary?

Thanks.

1. You can pass HDMI from the box to the TV with optical from the box to the AVR, or you can connect component/optical from the box to the AVR. Either way, video and audio quality should be the same. Are you asking which HDMI on the TV to connect the box as it doesn't matter, although if you have an HDMI 1.4 TV and want to use the ARC feature to pass audio back to the AVR, generally only one of the TV HDMI inputs is spec'd for that so that is the one the AVR should be plugged in to.

2. Yup.

3. Nope.

4. Turning on the devices in order (usually TV, AVR, device) is a common suggestion to minimize HDMI handshake issues. Resetting the microprocessor generally won't resolve it, however, either option suggested in #1 above will avoid the handshake issue.

Thanks for the quick response, jdsmoothie.

As always, very helpful and succinct.

Much appreciated.

Is it a handshake issue when my screen sometimes flickers with the snow?

I am using a ST30 and Denon 1611 and Timewarner cable.

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Although possible, that more often then not is a sign of either a defective or loosely connected HDMI cable.

The reason I ask is because I read that if you turn on from TV to AVR to Cablebox that solves handshake issues. It also happens that when I do that I never get the snow flashes...

What does a handshake problem present as?

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Generally audio dropouts, although if it works without snow with that startup order, then you don't seem to have a problem.

Hi everyone,

I posted a little while back about setting up a 3 room system with the 591 and have finally gotten around to doing the setup with the 2nd and 3rd rooms. I want to make sure though that my setup isn't putting too much strain on the amp. I have 3 pairs of 8 ohm speakers (one pair for each room) and 2 impedance-matching volume controls (for the 2nd and 3rd rooms). I have my main pair of floorstanding speakers in my living room and then a pair of bookshelf speakers in the adjacent kitchen and bedroom.

I read in the manual for the impedance-matching volume controls that some receivers have outputs that share the same amplifiers, so be careful hooking up speakers directly to receivers that are already being used with impedance matching controls on their other outputs (because the impedance settings are supposed to be the same for each speaker in parallel, i guess because of power allocation to each speaker).

I want to make sure that the Denon 591's front and surround channels are in fact different amplifiers and that I can safely hook up my main living room speakers to the front channel and my other 4 other speakers to the surround channels (with impedance matching). This is mainly because I don't want to put an extra step of audio quality distortion (the volume controls) going to my living room speakers since i care more about the sound there. I couldn't figure anything out from the manaul but hopefully someone here can help!

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What you suggest will work, all be it quite awkward at best. As suggested, going with the 1611 would have been a much cleaner setup.

Having some big problem with my AVR-591 i think... it won't recognize my ps3 anymore. Used to be fine like a week ago... but now no signal. I tried different HDMI cable no change. I tried plugging my ps3 directly in my TV and that work. I tried my PC in the same HDMI slot that my ps3 and i got an image... but nothing with the ps3 even in another slot! I did hold the power button on the ps3 so it would "force" to load a new resolution but still nothing on screen :/ I did try to reset the AVR but didn't change a thing... help !!!

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Did you try each of the other 3 HDMI slots on the 591? Try setting the Deep Color Offset on the PS3 to OFF.

Yeah i tried the other slots, none work with the ps3 but they work with other devices. Also tried turning the DCO off and did not do a thing :/

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Have you tried turning Anynet+ either ON or OFF (ie. opposite of what it is now)?

Yep tried both with and without... this happened after there was a storm and we lost electricity. But they should be a way around this sort of problem i just can't see why it's not working... can't figure why everything else is working but not this!

It is strange to be sure ... in the meantime, you'll likely want to connect the PS3 HDMI to the TV with optical from the PS3 to the 591. You won't be able to get the HD audio on BDs, but the lossy DD/DTS will be higher quality then on DVDs.

Yeah will be doing that tomorrow... still really suck

^^^ Have you tried with a different HDMI cable? Have you tried resetting the AVR and the PS3? Also try turning the TV first, then the 591and then the PS3. Wait for each device to turn completely on before turning the next one.

Not really ... I would be very surprised if you could tell the difference between BD lossy DD/DTS and BD HD audio.

Not talking about the audio thing but my problem with the ps3 haha :P

Yeah tried different HDMI cable, i did reset 2 times the AVR with no success. Tried all possible combination of order for the 3 devices and nothing

Thanks for the reply. I wanted volume controls in the 2nd and 3rd rooms so I would have set up the 1611 identically to the 591. Also I am using a digital source only so the zone 2 wasn't an option.

Related to the amp question I had, is there any disadvantage to connecting my main speakers to the surround channels, instead of the front channels? (I will only be using the multi channel stereo setting)

What would be the purpose of that? I surely dont see any advantages in doing it that way. And you cant run Audyssey w/o front speakers.

You very likely could have purchased the 1611 for the same price as the 591 and would have had seperate amps for each set of speakers vice having to connect 2 sets in parallel. It doesn't matter whether you connect the speakers to the FL/FR or the SL/SR posts although not sure why you would do that?

I just upgraded my HTPC to an i3 with integrated graphics. I also upgraded my receiver to an avr591 with HDMI.

But now the screen is blinking on me. The blinking isn't usually a problem in media center proper, but if I am looking at the desktop, Netflix, or Internet TV it's pretty unbearable, it'll blink and then it'll be fine for 10 seconds, 30 seconds, and then it'll blink again. Several times it has gotten to the point where the screen will just go black and not return. I'm just not sure where to begin troubleshooting this issue.

Since upgrading the receiver, I have had a different problem with playing video. On several occasions when i turn on live TV, video will play, but the audio will stutter and repeat about 1 second of audio over and over (like, if the first word said when I started watching was 'hello', then it would just stutter 'hello, hello, hello....'), and that would go on for about 10 seconds and then a media center error will come up that says media center does not have the appropriate decoder for the video, restart media center. The only fix for this that I have found has been to reboot the computer and turn the receiver off and on again.

I was really hoping that this upgrade would be the pinnacle for Media Center for me, but these problems have really got me discouraged. Any advice or direction you could provide would be appreciated.

Just a couple of other points, this issue does not manifest if I run HDMI right from the HTPC to the TV, only when I have the receiver in there. I'm running the latest drivers for the intel HD graphics, and my resolution is 1080p. When I installed the core i3 I did a fresh install of windows, and the only codec I installed was haali.

Any help you might be able to provide would be greatly appreciated.

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HTPC connections can be iffy ... try all the HDMI inputs on the 591 as well as try replacing the cable. Another option is using a dedicated video card. Some have reported success adding an HDMI splitter between the HTPC and the AVR as well as connecting a 12'+ HDMI cable.

A few months back when I was shopping for the reciever I couldn't find a denon 7.1 for a similar price as my 591. I am seeing better deals now (they are about the same price), so I probably overlooked the 1611 for some reason...

To answer your questions I am planning to hookup my main speakers to the surround output and the 2 parallel speakers to the front output so that I can turn on and off my main speakers by toggling between stereo and multi-channel stereo. That way I will have control of all three speaker pairs individually (with my volume controls). My setup is a little awkward to explain but it should work fine, I just wanted to make sure I wasn't doing anything stupid using the fronts with surround channels.

This was the first reciever I set up so I am sure my next will be a cleaner set up. You guys are impressivley knowledgable, I appreciate the help.

With a Denon 1611 is it possible to use a separate amp to power my front L and R speakers?

Also, what cord exactly do I need to connect the iPod to the receiver? I see mention of people doing this, but I'm unsure of what hardware is actually needed. Thank you!