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post #4231 of 4583
So I think I have found the issue. When I have Viera Link and HDMI Control On, the Input Mode for my Optical/Component input sets itself to ARC instead of Digital. Therefore I get no sound from the optical cable from my HTPC.

I am able to hear the sound from the Viera Apps through the AVR this way, but if I switch over to my Optical/Component Input (which plays music from HTPC and Video from Motorola DVR) I only get video with no sound.

I can basically use it, but I need to toggle Viera Link and HDMI Control on/off depending what I want to use (HTPC music or Viera TV Apps). The problem with that is I find I need to toggle the HDMI control in the AVR a few times until it works again.

I did try switching the source of my Optical/Component input
from TV to V.Aux. But then when I launched the apps on my TV i get no picture or sound. I think I may just go the Toslink switcher route.

It's a shame this is such a problem (as indicated by so many similar instances on this thread)--you would think ARC/HDMI control wouldn't be such a headache. I think I will just disable Viera Link and just use the switcher (or get a Roku Box). Thanks for all your help JD Smoothie.
post #4232 of 4583
thanks for the info guys. what do you mean by the acr trying to lower the sub to -6.5?
what should the optimal setting be for the sub, after running audessey?

i think it sounds pretty good, but i dont want to wake up my sister when watching a movie late at night. thats why i was asking about lowering the volume on the sub.

what i would like to do is to be able to lower the sub, but keep the dialogue at the same volume. this would only be for night time movie watching.
post #4233 of 4583
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Originally Posted by MentalDistortion View Post

thanks for the info guys. what do you mean by the acr trying to lower the sub to -6.5?
what should the optimal setting be for the sub, after running audessey?

i think it sounds pretty good, but i dont want to wake up my sister when watching a movie late at night. thats why i was asking about lowering the volume on the sub.

what i would like to do is to be able to lower the sub, but keep the dialogue at the same volume. this would only be for night time movie watching.

Buddy,

Its all preference and settings for the sub don't translate equally to different rooms. in my case I run my subs 3db hot which means 3db hotter than what audy sent it at. Ie audy set it at -6, 3db hot is -3.

If you don't want to wake your sister try using dynamic volume at night. Press menu go to audio than audyssey settings and you'll see dyn volume.

-Kevin
post #4234 of 4583
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Originally Posted by MentalDistortion View Post

sorry guys another question. i turned my sub volume to the 10 o'clock mark. after audessey, i checked the channel levels and the sub was at -6.5.

If i wanted to turn down the sub, should i go more negative, or towards positive?
for example is +6.5 lower than -6.5? is this the same for all channels?

thanks

There's no reason to run AUTO SETUP again ... you're good to go. As suggested, at night use the Dyn Volume setting to help curb loud explosions and such.
post #4235 of 4583
Fantastic thread, it has been a goldmine of information for me trying to sort out my 591. Prior to the 591 I had an old Sony DB-930 which unfortunately fell victim to the usual dry joints and blown capacitor problems of that model.

Thought I'd post as I'm having trouble getting speakers other than Front L + R working with my setup. Prior to getting the 591 all my speakers had been in storage for 2 years, I hooked them all up and ran the Audessy setup with only the fronts playing any sound.

Based on info from here I did a microprocessor reset and checked my speaker wiring, then tried the Audessy setup to see if I could hear the other speakers again and again with no luck. I'm thinking the problem could be:

- dead centre speaker, rear speakers and subwoofer
- poor speaker wiring
- speaker wiring being too thin for length of the run (12-15ft)
- faulty 591

I have tried the front speakers in the other speaker terminals when Audessy is running (love banana plugs for quick swap) and I am getting sound from them so I'm leaning towards it being speaker/cabling related.

Any other ideas before I take myself and the 591 to my local hi-fi store to check all works and audition some new speakers?
post #4236 of 4583
Try connecting the other speakers to the FL/FR speaker posts and run a test tone ... if you don't hear it, then you have confirmed it's the speakers that are bad and you can save yourself the hassle of bringing the 591 with you.
post #4237 of 4583
Thanks jd, looks like the speakers are dead so new speaker shopping time! The Audyessy tones have been driving the girl mad...haha

A local store has PSB Alpha HT1 combos on sale, thinking that package and replacing 2 of the LR1's with B1's might do me for a little while. Good match for the 591 you think?
post #4238 of 4583
^^
Most any 6Ω or 8Ω speaker will match up well ... just remember not to take the volume above 0db after running AUTO SETUP.
post #4239 of 4583
Thanks, will (won't?) do

Loving the Auto Setup, it even made these horrible pieces of furniture masquerading as main speakers I have now sound passable.
post #4240 of 4583
^^
Yup ... that's the power of Pine Sol (er Audyssey).
post #4241 of 4583
What's your set up? I'm (of course) using the Denon receiver, but I have some new speakers. I just bought Bose V 201 speakers for the rear channels. I've had my old Boston Acoustic fronts, center, and sub woofer (downward firing) for quite awhile. It's 5.1, not 6 or 7, but I love it. The Bose replaced my ancient Sony bookshelf speakers. I believe it made a big difference. I ran Audyssey again and it calculated the center and rears to be "small". I changed them to be large, but the dialog in some movies (i.e. just bought the original StarGate movie on blu-ray) is just a LITTLE too soft. What do most folks set their center channel at? small? large? of course it depends, but other than that, what settings do you mess with to adjust this?
post #4242 of 4583
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Whenever there is a dedicated sub in the setup, you want to set ALL speakers to SMALL with minimum of 80hz crossovers.
post #4243 of 4583
I want my AVR and TV to turn off and on together. I have a 1611 with 2 B&W front speakers, a cable box into HDMI3 and a Panasonic TV via HDMI out (there are other HDMI inputs connected but I can manage those manually). I have figured out how to get them to turn off together, but then the AVR doesn't turn back on with the TV.

Is there some combination of settings in the HDMI setup screen that will do this, or do I need to buy a Harmony?

Apologies if this is covered in an FAQ section somewhere but I don't quite know to describe what I'm looking for.
post #4244 of 4583
^^
The AVR will generally always shut off, but doesn't always come back on (which is why the manual only confirms it will shut off). Your best bet is a Harmony.
post #4245 of 4583
Thanks for the quick response jdsmoothie, that's what I figured. I'll play around with some more of the HDMI "VieraLink" settings on the tv but it looks like I need a new gadget (a silver lining, I suppose).
post #4246 of 4583
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Yup ... especially high on the WAF (and kids for that matter).
post #4247 of 4583
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Originally Posted by jwaisanen View Post

I want my AVR and TV to turn off and on together. I have a 1611 with 2 B&W front speakers, a cable box into HDMI3 and a Panasonic TV via HDMI out (there are other HDMI inputs connected but I can manage those manually). I have figured out how to get them to turn off together, but then the AVR doesn't turn back on with the TV.

Is there some combination of settings in the HDMI setup screen that will do this, or do I need to buy a Harmony?

Apologies if this is covered in an FAQ section somewhere but I don't quite know to describe what I'm looking for.

Do you want to conserve energy? I have my xbox 360 and bluray player in a smart power strip. When I turn off the Denon, the other two devices mentioned turn off as well. When I turn ON the Denon, the other devices become available to turn on - but don't turn on until the I hit the button on the remote. I don't believe this solves your situation - but just in case, I thought I'd mention it.
post #4248 of 4583
I am a total rookie and recently purchased a 1611. I have sound with blue ray and tuner but recently lost sound from the comcast cable box although i still have video. can someone point me in the right direction. thanks
post #4249 of 4583
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Originally Posted by leaderofmarines View Post

I am a total rookie and recently purchased a 1611. I have sound with blue ray and tuner but recently lost sound from the comcast cable box although i still have video. can someone point me in the right direction. thanks

Who is this leader of marines?? Lol anyways you using hdmi from the box?
post #4250 of 4583
Yep hdmi's thanks Gunny
post #4251 of 4583
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Originally Posted by leaderofmarines View Post

Yep hdmi's thanks Gunny

Is the box set to output audio thru hdmi? Have you tried restarting the box?
post #4252 of 4583
Quote:
Originally Posted by leaderofmarines View Post

I am a total rookie and recently purchased a 1611. I have sound with blue ray and tuner but recently lost sound from the comcast cable box although i still have video. can someone point me in the right direction. thanks

What does the front panel display on the 1611 read when the cable box is selected and playing a show?
post #4253 of 4583
There is a very good clearance sale price on the 1612 at FS and BB (Canada) for the next couple of weeks and I'm very tempted to grab one before they are gone. I've got a one year old 391 driving Athena S5 fronts and surrounds, C5 center and P6000 12 inch sub. I really like this AVR but have always wondered if I should have picked up the 591 instead because of the Audyssey feature. Do you think it would really make that big of a difference with these speakers? My room is roughly 20 x 20. I mostly watch movies (BD and DVD) and TV as well as play music via my Apple family of devices.

Thanks and looking forward to your opionions. G.
post #4254 of 4583
^^
Yes, it will make that much of a difference. Sell the 391 and get some money back.

Additionally you pick up the GUI 2D overlay, ARC, and HDMI Standby pass through.
post #4255 of 4583
The 591 looks like the only one with a component video input available. Can the 591 do the HDMI switching when its in standby mode like my 1909? Looking for a friend.
Thanks.
post #4256 of 4583
Yep, the 591 will output the last HDMI selected when in standby mode. I tested it on my receiver. Useless feature for me as I always have the receiver on when watching TV, movies, etc.

Does the 1909 actually let you switch HDMI inputs in standby or is it last input used just like the 591?
post #4257 of 4583
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The XX09/X89 models with HDMI Control (eg. 1909) only allow passing the LAST source through, while the XX10/X90 and newer models with HDMI Control (eg. 591) also include a setting which although factory defaults to "LAST" can also be set to a specific HDMI jack# to always pass that one source regardless of the last source selected when the AVR goes to Standby. In no instance (on any Denon model) can the standby source device be changed while the AVR is in Standby mode.
post #4258 of 4583
^^Thanks, your very helpful. It works like you phrased it "last used".
I wonder if all the latest 1.4a Denon's also work this way?

The avr-1612 and 1312 both have these boxes checked under "specs - connectivity"
HDMI Audio/Video Repeater Function
HDMI Video Switching Function

Although, looks like ARC is on the 1612 but not the 1312.

Tough shopping in the 250 range. LOL
post #4259 of 4583
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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The XX09/X89 models with HDMI Control (eg. 1909) only allow passing the LAST source through, while the XX10/X90 and newer models with HDMI Control (eg. 591) also include a setting which although factory defaults to "LAST" can also be set to a specific HDMI jack# to always pass that one source regardless of the last source selected when the AVR goes to Standby. In no instance (on any Denon model) can the standby source device be changed while the AVR is in Standby mode.


Your very helpful too. Thanks for clearing that up. Did not know that.
post #4260 of 4583
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Yes, all the current XX12 models that feature HDMI Control also work the way I described. The 1312 does not feature HDMI Control and therefore does not have the HDMI Standby passthrough feature.
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