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post #4411 of 4583
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

AFAIK, not a common issue at all. Some units just fail prematurely. If you're still within warranty, give Denon a call for repair resolution. If even just a few months out of warranty they have been known to process units "under warranty". Otherwise, if you purchased with a credit card, check with your card's provider, as some will extend the warranty to a 3rd year (Amex will do this for sure and some MC/VISA will as well). If you have an authorized repair facility in your local area, give them a call to see what their take is on the issue.

Yeah I do plan on calling denon on Monday, as my warranty is up Jan 1st and I paid with a debit card, so I dont think I have additional coverages. Nice thing is i got it from EE via amazon, so I am good on getting an authorized purchase.. According to the denon website, I do have an authorized repair place about 40 miles away....not too bad.
post #4412 of 4583
That will at least save you on shipping costs. You actually don't have to call Denon at all, rather can simply call the repair center and provide them with a copy of your purchase receipt, although find out their estimated turn around time as it could take 2-3 weeks or more. Some have found much quicker (all be it more expensive due to shipping costs) turn around shipping directly to the factory repair center, PanurgyOEM in NJ.
post #4413 of 4583
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

That will at least save you on shipping costs. You actually don't have to call Denon at all, rather can simply call the repair center and provide them with a copy of your purchase receipt.
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Nice, you probably just saved me at least 20 mins of being on hold!.. thanks jd.
post #4414 of 4583
I have a friend who willing to sell his Denon 1611 to me. He asked me to name a price. Knowing it's a 3 year old receiver with no warranty...any suggestions on what to offer? I don't see enough used 1611's online to get a good feel for a fair price. Thanks.
post #4415 of 4583
Thread Starter 
you can get a 1612 refurb for $199+ shipping: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html

given that, I think $150-$175 is probably a fair price.

Hey look! When I checked that link it appears Accessories4Less lifted the text from my model comparison in the xx12 thread ver batem. How kind of them tongue.gif
Edited by batpig - 12/13/12 at 2:46pm
post #4416 of 4583
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

you can get a 1612 refurb for $199+ shipping: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1612/DENON-AVR-1612-5.1-Channel-A/V-Home-Theater-Receiver/1.html
given that, I think $150-$175 is probably a fair price.
Hey look! When I checked that link it appears Accessories4Less lifted the text from my model comparison in the xx12 thread ver batem. How kind of them tongue.gif

Have you looked in your mailbox for a royalty check?
post #4417 of 4583
Thread Starter 
yeah, nothing yet tongue.gif I'm calling my lawyer!
post #4418 of 4583
Since it is out of warranty $125-$150 tops.


Two advantages of the 1611 over the 1612
1. AVR-1611 is a 7.1 receiver
2. It does analog to HDMI video conversion
post #4419 of 4583
Thanks batpig and afrogt for the replies, that helps. I'm setup for 5.1 and am interested in the 1611 for the ability to assign the extra amps for a powered Zone 2. Am I seeing this correctly that the 1612 and 1613 have no powered Zone 2 abilities, and that you have to step up to a 1713 to get zone 2? Seems like 1611 was a good priced unit for the features, and want to make sure I'm not overlooking something. I use an AppleTV, so I'm not that concerned with Airplay in a receiver, am I missing anything significant by not moving up to a more current model?
post #4420 of 4583
Thread Starter 
Yes, the 1611 was a 7ch model (differentiating it from its 5.1 "twin" the 591) but starting with the xx12 models Denon simplified the lineup and the entry-level models are 5.1. That means the 1611 can indeed to powered Zone 2 but the 1612 and 1613 cannot. The 1712 was 7.1 but actually the newer 1713 is only 5.1; it does have Zone 2 capabilities but you need to add an external 2ch amp.

So if the 1611 meets your needs with powered Zone 2 and you don't mind losing the network functions, then by all means go for it. $150 or less is a great price and it should serve you well.

The one thing to be aware of with your Apple TV is that receivers almost always only output ANALOG audio to Zone 2. That means (assuming its a newer ATV with only HDMI and optical outs) you will need to add an optical>analog converter to feed the analog audio to the receiver for Zone 2. Read here for more info on Zone 2: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=160
post #4421 of 4583
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Yes, the 1611 was a 7ch model (differentiating it from its 5.1 "twin" the 591) but starting with the xx12 models Denon simplified the lineup and the entry-level models are 5.1. That means the 1611 can indeed to powered Zone 2 but the 1612 and 1613 cannot. The 1712 was 7.1 but actually the newer 1713 is only 5.1; it does have Zone 2 capabilities but you need to add an external 2ch amp.
So if the 1611 meets your needs with powered Zone 2 and you don't mind losing the network functions, then by all means go for it. $150 or less is a great price and it should serve you well.
The one thing to be aware of with your Apple TV is that receivers almost always only output ANALOG audio to Zone 2. That means (assuming its a newer ATV with only HDMI and optical outs) you will need to add an optical>analog converter to feed the analog audio to the receiver for Zone 2. Read here for more info on Zone 2: http://batpigworld.com/wp/?p=160

Perfect, thanks for both confirming and clarifying! I've run into the Zone 2 digital/analog issue helping out both a friend and my father in-law. It took me a while, but finally figured out they needed the converter and it worked great. I'll definitely check out your zone2 link. I used an overpriced converter from Radio Shack (~$40 I think), do you happen to recommend any others?
post #4422 of 4583
Thread Starter 
any time you think something is overpriced at Radio Shack, that means you should go online and get the same thing at Monoprice, only cheaper and better wink.gif

http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=104&cp_id=10423&cs_id=1042302&p_id=6884&seq=1&format=2
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post #4424 of 4583
Hi all- in a few weeks I'll be moving into a new house where the previous owners had a nice media room built. It has 6 in wall speakers (I'll be providing my own center channel and sub). So, I had started a thread over in the media room threads http://www.avsforum.com/t/1447057/moving-into-house-w-pre-built-media-room-question-about-speakers.. In that thread I stated that I would prob drive only 4 of the surround speakers since my avr 591 is only 5.1 until I can upgrade the avr and get 7.1. Some of the folks there suggested I ran the mid and rear speakers in a series so I could have more full sound. I wasn't even familiar with this, but it seems easy enough . I'm up for giving it a try, I'm just wondering how the 591 will handle it, specifically when I run the audyssey setup again. Will it flip out since I assume the test blips will play in left/left right/right mid and rear? Anyone have any experience with this? Thanks!
post #4425 of 4583
If using 8-ohm speakers, when connected in series, the 591 will see each of the 4 speakers (SL/SR, SBL,SBR) as a 16-ohm speaker. The 591 is designed to handle 6-16 ohm speakers so there shouldn't be any issue. smile.gif

Just make sure to wire them correctly ....

post #4426 of 4583
Thanks for info. Does it matter which one starts the series, ie if I'm putting sl and sbl together, should I start either one of them first in the series? Still wondering how audyssey will detect and perform with this, guess will just have to hook up and see.
post #4427 of 4583
Shouldn't matter as both sets get the same signal. The AVR will simply see a 16-ohm load on the SL/SR speaker posts and will adjust the volume level accordingly to calibrate to the 75db test tone.
post #4428 of 4583
I've been having this issue with my 591 and PS3 for some time. When I start up the PS3 and 591 at the same time or within a few seconds of each other, the video signal is suffering from some sort of interference/distortion consisting of masses of horizontal lines flickering in and out over the entire picture. It seemed to have gone away a while back, and then it returned in full force. That may have been the result of some minor settings change, but I don't have a clue what that may have been.

Anyone else?

It was a minor bother, and i had been simply turning on the TV and 591 first, letting them "warm up" for a couple minutes, then turning on the PS3, and in doing so I was experiencing no problems. However, last night, I was watching some streaming content from Amazon Prime, and all of a sudden the screen started flashing to black, then the picture was overrun with horizontal lines cutting out.

I realize there could be a number of things at play and the problems could be unrelated. Hoping someone has some insight.

I have a PS3 slim 250g HDD. A Vizio XVT42SV. Denon AVR591. All connected via HDMI: PS3<->591<->Vizio

Thanks!
post #4429 of 4583
Powering on in the order you're currently doing ... TV, AVR, source, waiting a short period between each device is recommended to reduce any HDMI handshake issues. Also the issue may have just a result of the signal being broadcast by Amazon.
post #4430 of 4583
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Powering on in the order you're currently doing ... TV, AVR, source, waiting a short period between each device is recommended to reduce any HDMI handshake issues. Also the issue may have just a result of the signal being broadcast by Amazon.

Thanks jdsmoothie. After a restart the Amazon problem vanished. I will continue to let the PS3 sit out for a minute on startup. I understand that the issues may be symptoms of a handshake issue, but I'm wondering if the issue itself is damaging to the equipment or whether it could be symptomatic of any other issue.
post #4431 of 4583
Two used Denon AVRs are for sale locally, a 591 with no remote for $170 and a 1909 for $225 (no mention of the remote). A4L has a refurb 591 for $220 w/remote but doesn't have a 1909, only the 1912 $350 and the 1913 $380.

I am looking for an inexpensive AVR to start 5.1 HT with existing older Infinity and Kenwood speakers. Basically an AVR that I won't mid giving away when I learn what I really need and upgrade. Will run just an HDTV and dvd movies, no ipod, no need for zones.

I am thinking the used 591 is worth $100 and the 1909 around $150. Any price suggestions or preferences?

Thanks
post #4432 of 4583
Thread Starter 
the Audyssey microphone is more important than the remote, so definitely check on that. The remote should be replaced anyway by a Harmony or other universal if you are building a good HT setup, but without the microphone you can't calibrate the system.

If you can get the 591 with the microphone for closer to $100, then I would do that... otherwise I would look at the AVR 1612 for $199 from Accessories4less. Consider that when buying from A4L you will get a 1-yr warranty, and all accessories.
post #4433 of 4583
Hi.

I have a SA 4250HD cable box, (along with my Pioneer 320 BD player, and PS3) hooked up to my Denon AVR 591 via HDMI, and then a lone HDMI to my Pro-111FD. The different inputs are switched through the AVR.

Recently I hooked up Aura Pro Bass Shakers to my theater seating with a Dayton 250 watt Sub Amp. I attached a Y out of the back of the Denon, with one coax cable going to the subwoofer, and another coax going to the sub amp.

Everything works great when watching a blu ray, with plenty of rumble. But when watching cable with programming that is broadast in 5.1, the Denon says "Dolby Digital", but I barely (if any) get any response from my bass shakers. I'm begining to doubt I'm getting 5.1 over HDMI from my cable box.

Is my cable box not sending DD 5.1 over HDMI? In the cable box menu, HDMI audio is selected.

How do I correct this? I have read where some recommend running an HDMI from the cable box to the display, and then an optical or coax digital cable to the receiver, which I rather not do, since I have finally gotten my family used to doing the input switching through the Denon.

Is there another option? Is there a setting I need to change in the Denon? Am I doing something wrong?

Any guidance is greatly appreciated.

John
post #4434 of 4583
Thread Starter 
Well, there could be a few things going on here.

First off, if the Denon says "Dolby Digital" then that's what it's getting. So as far as the receiver is concerned it's getting a 5.1 DD input.

The variables are mostly on the cable box side. Who knows how the audio was mixed? For example, maybe there is just not that much content below the LPF of the bass shakers? If they are set to filter anything above, say, 40Hz, that just may not really exist in the broadcast.

Also, cable channels sometimes do weird things with the mix. Maybe it's a 5.1 "container" but the LFE channel is blank, meaning the only audio sent to the sub channel will be redirected bass. Sometimes it's even worse, they will broadcast a stereo 2ch audio stream in a 5.1 container, meaning that the center, surround and LFE channels are blank.
post #4435 of 4583
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Well, there could be a few things going on here.

First off, if the Denon says "Dolby Digital" then that's what it's getting. So as far as the receiver is concerned it's getting a 5.1 DD input.

The variables are mostly on the cable box side. Who knows how the audio was mixed? For example, maybe there is just not that much content below the LPF of the bass shakers? If they are set to filter anything above, say, 40Hz, that just may not really exist in the broadcast.

Also, cable channels sometimes do weird things with the mix. Maybe it's a 5.1 "container" but the LFE channel is blank, meaning the only audio sent to the sub channel will be redirected bass. Sometimes it's even worse, they will broadcast a stereo 2ch audio stream in a 5.1 container, meaning that the center, surround and LFE channels are blank.

Thanks for your expedited response Batpig.

You're right I have the bass cutoff at 50Hz on the shakers, anything above that, and I get stray rumbling from deep dialogue (on Blu ray).

So I read from your response, ...that if the receiver says Dolby Digital, the cable box is "passing" DD 5.1, ....it's just a crappy version from cable.

I was concerned because some have said that I wouldn't be able to get 5.1 over HDMI from my cable box, and I thought I might have missed a setting.

Thanks for the clarification.

John
post #4436 of 4583
Thread Starter 
You can always verify signal input by pressing the "STATUS" button (below the display, far right) and it will cycle through info. One of the info screens will show "Dolby Digital 3/2/.1" if the receiver is registering a 5.1 DD input. Once that is confirmed, anything else would be on the source side.
post #4437 of 4583
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

You can always verify signal input by pressing the "STATUS" button (below the display, far right) and it will cycle through info. One of the info screens will show "Dolby Digital 3/2/.1" if the receiver is registering a 5.1 DD input. Once that is confirmed, anything else would be on the source side.

Thanks again. I'll check that when I get home.
post #4438 of 4583
Thanks Batpig, it does have the mike. A quick check of the Harmony 650, $100 at Amazon and $75 at BB, which brings it close to the $2XX AVRs at A4L with a warranty and return policy. I appreciate the help.
post #4439 of 4583
Thread Starter 
IMO the Harmony remote is a good investment regardless. If you look on eBay you can find used / refurb older models (I recommend the 670, 550, and especially 720 models) for much cheaper.
post #4440 of 4583
Thanks for the remote recommendations, probably need two of them as my wife usually falls asleep with the remote on her side of the sofa - not that I would do anything like that. At A4L I keep forgetting my goal and start playing the 'for another $30' game.
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