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post #181 of 324
7/6/10 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi!

Many thanks for the reply! I am very novice at these things so please take that into account & forgive any ignorance! It's just that I wish to set things up as best and future proofed as I can the first time as changing things afterwards will pose real problems & nightmares!

I have figured that I will indeed need to utilise 11 Channels:- L/C/R (3), Rear Surrounds (2), DSX Wides (2), DSX Heights (2) & DPLIIz (2) = 11. If I get the 708 which allows powering of only 7 speakers, can I connect an external power amp(s) for the 4 remaining channels which will need powering and get everything to work that way?

May I ask, is it definitely possible to run DSX Wides & DPLIIz Heights at the same time? If so, I would benefit by being able to run both Height & Wide Channels at the same time utilising both formats. Also, if I do have to set up for two different sets of Height speakers fro each format, can I run them both by connecting the DSX & PLIIz cables together for each channel together and then connect them to the dedicated L&R Height Channel on the back of the AV Receiver? (so that would mean 2 cables in each of the L&R Height Channel Amp Terminals).

Ideally, I would like a single Receiver that will allow connection for for both DSX Wides AND Heights PLUS DPLIIz Heights but the choice seems very limited and the very few currently available are very high end models running into many thousands$$!

Many Thanks,

Bazzy!


I'm no expert, so there may be a few inaccuracies in my interpretation of this. Since you only have 7 powered channels you can utilize--you may either use the rear surrorund speakers, the height speakers, or the width speakers. If you were to run two cables into one channel and then to two seperate speakers, all you would accomplish is two speakers playing the same audio stream. In order for both of these to work at the same time, you would have to have an addtional 2 channels to run the width at the same time as the heights. Also, if you wanted to run the rear surrounds at the same time, you would need an additional 2 channels. As for the amp, I'm not sure about that one. Anyone else have any ideas to make this setup work? If you are not in need of the 3D pass-through, you may want to purchase the Onkyo TX-NR1007 which is a 9.2 setup. This unit would allow you to run your height and widths at the same time, but now your rears. It is available at Amazon right now for $899.99.
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post #182 of 324
7/6/10 at 1:05pm
Bazzy,

No current AVR can do 11 channels all at the same time. With the 708 you can do 7 channels at once. If you want to move up to 9 channels at once you have to move up tot he 1008.

The problem isn't the lack of additional amps, there is no channel information to amplify beyond the 7 channels (or 9 with the 1008). As in the processor is only capable of creating 7 (or 9) different channels. You basically get the standard 5 channels and then you can choose what you want 6 and 7 to be: DSX height, Dolby height, DSX wide, or the normal 7.1 rears.
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post #183 of 324
7/6/10 at 1:36pm
Hello, I am in the market for a new receiver. I have always been interested in the Onkyo's, and now the 708 has my eye. I have been concerned in the past about the many comments on the heat generated by the Onkyo's. I will have the receiver in a closed cabinet, and don't want a problem with that.

I was going to go with the Denon 2311, which I've read runs cooler, if this heat is still an issue with the Onkyo's. Can anyone comment on any improvement in this area in the 2010 receivers?

Thanks!
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post #184 of 324
7/6/10 at 4:03pm
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Originally Posted by DaveHCYJ View Post

Bazzy,

No current AVR can do 11 channels all at the same time. With the 708 you can do 7 channels at once. If you want to move up to 9 channels at once you have to move up tot he 1008.

The problem isn't the lack of additional amps, there is no channel information to amplify beyond the 7 channels (or 9 with the 1008). As in the processor is only capable of creating 7 (or 9) different channels. You basically get the standard 5 channels and then you can choose what you want 6 and 7 to be: DSX height, Dolby height, DSX wide, or the normal 7.1 rears.

Hi,

Thanks for the replies! My being a novice at these things must be frustrating for you guys and I apologise! Basically, if any can help, all I want is an AVAmp/Receiver that will run DSX in BOTH Wide AND Height modes simultaneously AND the Pro-Logic IIz Height mode so I can choose and compare between the two & select according to preference based on the material at the time.

If it helps, I will only be running the standard rear surrounds and NOT the additional "Back Surrounds as my listening/viewing position is right up against a back wall/ Does anyone know of any units that might fit the bill? I was looking at these new Onkyo's as it was my belief that traditionally, Onkyo's seem to offer the best/most features for the buck and seem pretty well respected.

Many Thanks,

Bazzy!
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post #185 of 324
7/6/10 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi!

Many thanks for the reply! I am very novice at these things so please take that into account & forgive any ignorance! It's just that I wish to set things up as best and future proofed as I can the first time as changing things afterwards will pose real problems & nightmares!

I have figured that I will indeed need to utilise 11 Channels:- L/C/R (3), Rear Surrounds (2), DSX Wides (2), DSX Heights (2) & DPLIIz (2) = 11. If I get the 708 which allows powering of only 7 speakers, can I connect an external power amp(s) for the 4 remaining channels which will need powering and get everything to work that way?

May I ask, is it definitely possible to run DSX Wides & DPLIIz Heights at the same time? If so, I would benefit by being able to run both Height & Wide Channels at the same time utilising both formats. Also, if I do have to set up for two different sets of Height speakers fro each format, can I run them both by connecting the DSX & PLIIz cables together for each channel together and then connect them to the dedicated L&R Height Channel on the back of the AV Receiver? (so that would mean 2 cables in each of the L&R Height Channel Amp Terminals).

Ideally, I would like a single Receiver that will allow connection for for both DSX Wides AND Heights PLUS DPLIIz Heights but the choice seems very limited and the very few currently available are very high end models running into many thousands$$!
Many Thanks,
Bazzy!

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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

I'm no expert, so there may be a few inaccuracies in my interpretation of this. Since you only have 7 powered channels you can utilize--you may either use the rear surround speakers, the height speakers, or the width speakers. If you were to run two cables into one channel and then to two separate speakers, all you would accomplish is two speakers playing the same audio stream. In order for both of these to work at the same time, you would have to have an additional 2 channels to run the width at the same time as the heights. Also, if you wanted to run the rear surrounds at the same time, you would need an additional 2 channels. As for the amp, I'm not sure about that one. Anyone else have any ideas to make this setup work? If you are not in need of the 3D pass-through, you may want to purchase the Onkyo TX-NR1007 which is a 9.2 setup. This unit would allow you to run your height and widths at the same time, but now your rears. It is available at Amazon right now for $899.99.

To add to Tom's comments (which are pretty much what I would have said): All of the listening modes are controllable from the receiver, but just one mode at a time, with each mode controlling the correct speakers for that mode. The speakers not used in a mode have no signal, so even a secondary amp can't be used (the Zone 2 speakers are the exception, as they have a separate pre out connection).
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post #186 of 324
7/6/10 at 4:27pm
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Originally Posted by JohninLA View Post

Hello, I am in the market for a new receiver. I have always been interested in the Onkyo's, and now the 708 has my eye. I have been concerned in the past about the many comments on the heat generated by the Onkyo's. I will have the receiver in a closed cabinet, and don't want a problem with that.

I was going to go with the Denon 2311, which I've read runs cooler, if this heat is still an issue with the Onkyo's. Can anyone comment on any improvement in this area in the 2010 receivers?

Thanks!

I've owned several Onkyo's and all of them, with the exception of the TX-SR608 have run hot. With the new line of receivers they have added a cooling fan to keep the heat down. While I only owned the 608 breifly--I sent it back so I could purchase the 808--I could run it for hours and it was still cool to the touch. As long as you can tolerate a little fan noise--I never heard any but some have complained about it--then you should be fine.
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post #187 of 324
7/6/10 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Bazzy View Post

Hi,

Thanks for the replies! My being a novice at these things must be frustrating for you guys and I apologise! Basically, if any can help, all I want is an AVAmp/Receiver that will run DSX in BOTH Wide AND Height modes simultaneously AND the Pro-Logic IIz Height mode so I can choose and compare between the two & select according to preference based on the material at the time.

If it helps, I will only be running the standard rear surrounds and NOT the additional "Back Surrounds as my listening/viewing position is right up against a back wall/ Does anyone know of any units that might fit the bill? I was looking at these new Onkyo's as it was my belief that traditionally, Onkyo's seem to offer the best/most features for the buck and seem pretty well respected.

Many Thanks,

Bazzy!

If you don't need the 3D pass-through, you could always purchase the Onkyo TX-NR1007. This model is a 9.2 setup so it would be capable of doing exactly what you described. There are some awesome deals on this unit right now too. Hope you find what you are looking for.
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post #188 of 324
7/6/10 at 9:14pm
I'm very interested in the 708. Looking at the specs on Onkyo's web site though, I noticed that the 708 supports 1080p upscaling but not 1080i upscaling. Interestingly that the lower 608 supports both. Could it be a typo? My TV's inputs only accept 1080i. Does this mean that analog video inputs can't be output through hdmi for my tv? Is there anything else I might be missing by having a tv that doesn't accept 1080p combined with the 708? OSD will still work at 1080i, right?
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post #189 of 324
7/6/10 at 10:00pm
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Originally Posted by trouptra View Post

I'm very interested in the 708. Looking at the specs on Onkyo's web site though, I noticed that the 708 supports 1080p upscaling but not 1080i upscaling. Interestingly that the lower 608 supports both. Could it be a typo? My TV's inputs only accept 1080i. Does this mean that analog video inputs can't be output through hdmi for my tv? Is there anything else I might be missing by having a tv that doesn't accept 1080p combined with the 708? OSD will still work at 1080i, right?

I downloaded the owner's manual and found some more info. In the manual there is the Video Resolution Chart on the last page. The chart indicates that all inputs can be output to 1080i hdmi except 1080p. The chart also indicates that 720p component can be output to 1080i hdmi which would indicate component upscaling is possible, even though the specs say that the 708 does not do component upscaling. Can anyone confirm that analog and component inputs can be output to 1080i hdmi as the chart states?
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post #190 of 324
7/7/10 at 7:55am
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Originally Posted by trouptra View Post

I downloaded the owner's manual and found some more info. In the manual there is the Video Resolution Chart on the last page. The chart indicates that all inputs can be output to 1080i hdmi except 1080p. The chart also indicates that 720p component can be output to 1080i hdmi which would indicate component upscaling is possible, even though the specs say that the 708 does not do component upscaling. Can anyone confirm that analog and component inputs can be output to 1080i hdmi as the chart states?

Read the chart again. What the receiver cannot do is upscale through the component output. Because your tv only accepts a 1080i signal you would set the resolution output of the reciever to 1080i. (Look at pg. 43)
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post #191 of 324
7/7/10 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

If you don't need the 3D pass-through, you could always purchase the Onkyo TX-NR1007. This model is a 9.2 setup so it would be capable of doing exactly what you described. There are some awesome deals on this unit right now too. Hope you find what you are looking for.

Hi Tom (& All!),

Many thanks for the help! I will probably go for a newer model just to stay ahead of the game so to speak as I plan on buying 3D TV next year. I will be taking a look at the TX-NR1008 - hopefully that will offer what I want!

One thing confuses me though - should not these DSX & DPLIIz Receivers offer 2 sets of height Channels in order to use both formats? The reason I ask this is that according to Dolby, the Height Speakers are strictly placed directly above the main L&R speakers - so their positioning is fixed.

With DSX however, the Height speakers will need to be placed according to a 45 degree angular displacement from the listening position which means that (depending on room size) they will most likely need to be placed at either wider distances apart than the DPLIIz height speakers or they will need to be placed into the ceiling or at the side walls well into the room & away from the main L/C/R speakers.

Surely, his then necessitates 2 sets of height speakers - one dedicated to the correct positioning for DPLIIz & the other for DSX (as both employ totally different parameters for placement). It would be totally impractical to have to reposition one set of common height speakers when wishing to listen/switch properly between the two formats and most users will permanently only place one set of height speakers - this means they will never be able to properly employ one of the formats offered? Surely the manufacturers could not have missed such a glaringly obvious issue as this as they offer both formats & then cripple usage of one or the other by limited connectivity?

Maybe I am missing something & probably am but this has me somewhat stumped but even in my very limited experience, I do believe there is an major issue here! (Sorry to be a little long winded!)

Bazzy!
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post #192 of 324
7/7/10 at 11:02am
So I am in the market for a new receiver and I am still confused do any of the new Onkyo receivers support DSD over HDMI? If so which one?
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post #193 of 324
7/7/10 at 11:11am
Bazzy,

This link may help you as to the setup for Height and Wide DSX

http://www.audyssey.com/blog/2010/05...-audyssey-dsx/
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post #194 of 324
7/7/10 at 11:21am
@ Bazzy
If I understand you correctly, the 1008 might just suit your needs, getting you to that 9ch solution.
However, I don't mean to steer you away from Onkyo, But if you really want that 11ch solution... it looks like Yamaha will be able to do this or you this year.

information is sketchy at best right now, there is a thread that should cause you to hold off on that purchase for a bit

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1228730&page=4
Yamaha RX-V3067

I haven't yet found a thread for what would be the RX-V2067? or RX-V1067? but they too might be able to solve your problem...?

It's worth looking into anyhow.
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post #195 of 324
7/7/10 at 12:12pm
Is anyone else still waiting for their TX-NR808 from ABT.com to ship? I've talked to them several times but I never seem to get any tangible information regarding when the receiver will actually ship.
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post #196 of 324
7/7/10 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

Is anyone else still waiting for their TX-NR808 from ABT.com to ship? I've talked to them several times but I never seem to get any tangible information regarding when the receiver will actually ship.

Got my 808 last night from abt. Ordered 6/16. Double-boxed packing. Very nice.
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post #197 of 324
7/7/10 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by cdpage View Post

@ Bazzy
If I understand you correctly, the 1008 might just suit your needs, getting you to that 9ch solution.
However, I don't mean to steer you away from Onkyo, But if you really want that 11ch solution... it looks like Yamaha will be able to do this or you this year.

information is sketchy at best right now, there is a thread that should cause you to hold off on that purchase for a bit

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1228730&page=4
Yamaha RX-V3067

I haven't yet found a thread for what would be the RX-V2067? or RX-V1067? but they too might be able to solve your problem...?

It's worth looking into anyhow.

Hi!

Many Thanks - I will look into it!

Bazzy!
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post #198 of 324
7/7/10 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by RichB View Post

I just received my 708 yesterday and the network is pretty bad.

I can get it work work if I switch to the network input, unlug the network, then plug it in within a few seconds after switching.

Otherwise, it just blinks.

I was able to stream some CD's from my server and it sounded great.

I do not know if this is a lemon or it just has software bugs.

My Onkyo 5507 amd 180 work fine.

- Rich

Got my 808 last night. Same network issue. You have to unplug/plug the network cable each time after turn on the receiver. Unacceptable bug from onkyo.
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post #199 of 324
7/7/10 at 2:27pm
Chatted with Abt today and my preordered (6/15) 708 was shipped today.
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post #200 of 324
7/7/10 at 3:41pm
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Originally Posted by calebju View Post

Got my 808 last night. Same network issue. You have to unplug/plug the network cable each time after turn on the receiver. Unacceptable bug from onkyo.

OMG, do you gents report this to Onkyo?
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post #201 of 324
7/7/10 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by calebju View Post

Got my 808 last night. Same network issue. You have to unplug/plug the network cable each time after turn on the receiver. Unacceptable bug from Onkyo.

I am returning mine because I did not trust that it was software.
It still might be hardware, but it is pointing to hardware.

I could not get the Pandora to work. It found my stations and then displayed "cannot play" on all stations.

- Rich
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post #202 of 324
7/7/10 at 4:10pm
alright, got the 808 in and yes abt brought it in a box big enough for 2 of the receivers..I missed the UPS shipment but the driver left his cell number on the door, said he was happy to get it off of his truck ASAP. Went to the condo a day early to set everything up, it meshes a lot better than the silver receiver did...now to just find a way to switch out that white Wii for a black one. It feels like any other Onkyo as far as the UI is concerned. The only difference I'm finding so far is with the home button. I suppose it would make it easier to instantly select some settings instead of clicking through them..but anyway onto the important things. As I am upgrading from the 806 I am finally happy about my video quality. There was still the lag that needed to be messed with, but I think that was more due to my samsung not processing 24P content all too quickly...it still is weird seeing a 115ms delay as necessary, but it works! The unit is also much cooler to the touch after using it so far. Much cooler. The sound seems to be also a tad better so far, like there is a better sweet spot associated with this unit...but I'm also assuming that may be due to the more recent Audyssey calibration...It doesn't sound worse if anything else. Sorry I can't comment much on the network issue since I am not running any ethernet cable to it right now...otherwise no big surprises here, seems solid so far.
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post #203 of 324
7/7/10 at 4:11pm
I just chatted with ABT. My receiver has shipped!!! This network bug is disconcerting news but I'm sure that the problem can be easily corrected by a firmware update.
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post #204 of 324
7/7/10 at 7:24pm
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Originally Posted by Tom Riddle View Post

I just chatted with ABT. My receiver has shipped!!! This network bug is disconcerting news but I'm sure that the problem can be easily corrected by a firmware update.

Here's hoping. I really have my mind set on the 808.
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post #205 of 324
7/7/10 at 7:30pm
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Originally Posted by Minge View Post

So I am in the market for a new receiver and I am still confused do any of the new Onkyo receivers support DSD over HDMI? If so which one?

I second the question!
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post #206 of 324
7/7/10 at 8:35pm
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Originally Posted by mtrot View Post

I second the question!

well the manual states that DSD is a listening mode and has a star beside it which at the bottom states

*AV receiver can input the DSD signal from HDMI IN. Setting the output setting on the player side to PCM might obtain a better
sound according to the player. In that case, set the output setting on the player side to PCM.

sorry if you've already seen this...this is a SACD format right? I don't personally have a way of testing this I don't believe...but perhaps that helps...its from the 808 manual by the way.
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post #207 of 324
7/7/10 at 8:44pm
DSD is SACD encoding format.

- Rich
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post #208 of 324
7/8/10 at 4:26am
"Got my 808 last night. Same network issue. You have to unplug/plug the network cable each time after turn on the receiver. Unacceptable bug from Onkyo."

I don't think Onkyo av receivers with ethernet capability are the only ones having problems with network issues- Denon also comes to mind and I've read about a few connection glitches in the Yamaha forum as well. You've got to wonder if this feature is not technologically ready for prime time just yet.
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post #209 of 324
7/8/10 at 4:40am
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Originally Posted by dougeee View Post

"Got my 808 last night. Same network issue. You have to unplug/plug the network cable each time after turn on the receiver. Unacceptable bug from Onkyo."

I don't think Onkyo av receivers with ethernet capability are the only ones having problems with network issues- Denon also comes to mind and I've read about a few connection glitches in the Yamaha forum as well. You've got to wonder if this feature is not technologically ready for prime time just yet.


Yeah... Ethernet is pretty new. Nobody can really do that reliably yet.

I'm looking at the 708 to replace my old (SVHS era) Sony. I'm a little nervous because I bought and sold two Onkyo 606 receivers last spring because they wouldn't shake hands with my HDMI 1.0 JVC TV. New TV now but these reported network problems aren't making my decision any easier.
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post #210 of 324
7/8/10 at 5:55am
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Originally Posted by xt14 View Post

well the manual states that DSD is a listening mode and has a star beside it which at the bottom states

*AV receiver can input the DSD signal from HDMI IN. Setting the output setting on the player side to PCM might obtain a better
sound according to the player. In that case, set the output setting on the player side to PCM.

sorry if you've already seen this...this is a SACD format right? I don't personally have a way of testing this I don't believe...but perhaps that helps...its from the 808 manual by the way.

Thanks for responding...This answer does not give me the warm and fuzzies it just makes me question it even more. I know the Onkyo Pro PR-SC5507P states DSD right in the features page on the web site. Hmmm....
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