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post #3211 of 4995
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Originally Posted by grpape View Post

Thanks for all the help guys. I tried everything possible. I did have the subs on "on" and still no recognition from the MCACC set up. I turned the gain up all the way, and still no recognition. I'm pretty sure it's doa.

When I play something in Dolby or other settings the screen (on the AVR face) has all the speakers and the sub with the lines (shows that there is a LFE being recognized by the AVR). All the other speakers are playing but nothing from the sub.

I'm gonna send it back to Amazon and do some more research and decide whether or not to stick with Pio or go Yammy. I probably will just get another 1120 unless I move up to the next level.

Thanks,
Derrick

You are now the fourth person to report a broken sub pre-out (myself included). Mine failed two months after I bought it, but it was user error -- I moved the avr with the sub cable plugged in, and somehow broke whatever weak metal ring is on the inside of the pre-out.

The repair was simple -- they re-soldered the ring -- and mine has been working perfectly ever since.

That said, the pre-out for the sub does appear to be a weakpoint. I wouldn't call this a large trend, but everyone with this unit needs to be EXTRA careful when plugging the RCA in and out of the SW port.

You should just exchange it for another 1120. The next one will work just fine, I promise. Just be careful!
post #3212 of 4995
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_awd View Post


Nope can't do pandora either, wish you could but most bd player do any way.

Nothing will change if you run a wire either.

If you want to access your own files you need to get a reciever with DLNA or a media box like the Western Digital TV Live Plus, I think it's less the $100 and has a ton of features.

Or, he could use a device that has stereo Bluetooth, along with Pioneer's own Bluetooth adapter, and he could stream Pandora wirelessly from the laptop, PC, tablet, iDevice, etc.

That's what I do and it works much better than any DLNA implementation I've seen on any receiver...
post #3213 of 4995
^^^
Second that. That's what I do also, and works fine. My Pioneer Bluetooth adapter, however, failed after about a month and had to get a replacement.
post #3214 of 4995
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post
^^^

just as a heads up to all those using internet radio...

make sure you at least experiment with the "sound retriever" option on the avr... i have found that with low bit rate, dynamically compressed sources, that it helps a lot....
I don't have the receiver yet, I was just checking the website and saw they can be listened via itunes.

BTW ccotenj you seem to be the biggest panny fanboy in here
Do you happen to know if they're gonna show some new avr's on this year's CES?
I know some were reporting that pioneer officially stopped making the 1120 last month or so.

Thanks!
post #3215 of 4995
Have any of you used banana plugs on your 1120? I bought some and they are way too big. Which plugs do you use? Which are compatible?
post #3216 of 4995
GLS Black Chrome from Orange County Speaker. Great price.

I used these with my Onkyo 605 and now with my 1120 with no issues.
post #3217 of 4995
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Originally Posted by rmc29615 View Post
Have any of you used banana plugs on your 1120? I bought some and they are way too big. Which plugs do you use? Which are compatible?
I use the "Closed" type from Monoprice, and they fit/work great.
post #3218 of 4995
Can someone confirm whether or not you can use the iControlAV app for iPhone/iPod/iPad to turn ON the 1120?

I have the 1020 but I don't think this is possible on that model.

Thanks,
post #3219 of 4995
Hi, I'm a new owner of the 1120 and I really love it so far. Still learning about the many sound options when viewing video sources, and my speaker setup is still under construction. But the old mismatched speakers (MB Quart in front, Bose 201s in the back) are sounding pretty good. The remote is not a friend of my wife, but I have been able to program everything I need into it (cable, bd, and tv).

Anyways, the internet didnt work initially. I just plugged it in and ... nothing, couldnt even ping the thing.

Our house is wired at 1G and everything ties into an HP procurve switch. The port I plugged into was set for '1000 FDX'. As soon as I logged into the HP and set that port to either 'Auto' or '100 FDX', the Pioneer immediately jumped on the LAN (either with DHCP or Fixed) and I was able to get Internet radio running, connect to the receiver from my laptop, even able to get in with the wife's ipod. oh she's a happy camper now.

Hope this helps someone ...
post #3220 of 4995
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Originally Posted by rmc29615 View Post

Have any of you used banana plugs on your 1120? I bought some and they are way too big. Which plugs do you use? Which are compatible?

I got mine from Monoprice and they fit just fine. They were closed screw type just putting the wires in them was cumbersome but after that its been easy street.
post #3221 of 4995
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Originally Posted by stokkes View Post

Can someone confirm whether or not you can use the iControlAV app for iPhone/iPod/iPad to turn ON the 1120?

I have the 1020 but I don't think this is possible on that model.

Thanks,

On the 1120, you have a network standby option (see page 82 of the 1120 manual) that allows you to control the unit from the web with the power on standby. I took a quick look in the 1020 manual and didn't see a similar option, so you might have to ask on the 1020 thread.

This option might be a hidden upgrade on the 1120. This would be consistent with the RC-232 implementation (i.e., you would want to be able to switch on the unit from a control panel-or in the 1120's case, the web control panel)
post #3222 of 4995
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Originally Posted by stokkes View Post

Can someone confirm whether or not you can use the iControlAV app for iPhone/iPod/iPad to turn ON the 1120?

I have the 1020 but I don't think this is possible on that model.

Thanks,

Yes it does turn it on!!
post #3223 of 4995
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Originally Posted by elvisahmed View Post

I got mine from Monoprice and they fit just fine. They were closed screw type just putting the wires in them was cumbersome but after that its been easy street.

Are these the ones you have?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2


I bought these at Lowe's and the head is too big to fit in the the hookups on the back of the receiver. I'm assuming the heads on the plugs you bought are much smaller.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_248214-60784...&storeId=10151

Palehorse,

Can you confirm where you got your banana plugs? There seems that each one is a different size. I've been to Bestbuy, Radioshack, etc. and each plug is different.
post #3224 of 4995
quick question, search didn't turn up anything...

if i'm using a harmony remote to control zone 2, does zone 2 have discrete remote control codes? what i mean is, on onkyos (i believe), you hit a Zone 2 button on the remote, and the remote shifts into "zone 2 mode" so that, say, hitting the volume button changes the volume on zone 2. so you can set the harmony to have a zone 1 volume button and a separate zone 2 volume button.

does the pioneer have distinct codes for zone 1 operations and zone 2 operations?
post #3225 of 4995
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Originally Posted by agnathra View Post

quick question, search didn't turn up anything...

if i'm using a harmony remote to control zone 2, does zone 2 have discrete remote control codes? what i mean is, on onkyos (i believe), you hit a Zone 2 button on the remote, and the remote shifts into "zone 2 mode" so that, say, hitting the volume button changes the volume on zone 2. so you can set the harmony to have a zone 1 volume button and a separate zone 2 volume button.

does the pioneer have distinct codes for zone 1 operations and zone 2 operations?

I haven't used the second zone, but I can confirm my 1120 remote has a Zone 2 button. When selected, my main zone doesn't react to things like volume and input. So it appears to me to function like you are hoping.
post #3226 of 4995
I just ordered this receiver from Amazon after lamenting (like many others) between the comparative Yamaha and Onkyo models. Ultimately they all have some pro's/con's compared to their counterparts. With that said, I really did want the standby pass-through functionality and according to Pioneer all of their receivers above the vsx-920k support this feature. Here is the email response I received from their customer service:

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The VSX-1120 does support the HDMI pass through feature.
This feature begins with the VSX-920.

The most common issue with the feature, all devices have to support HDMI Control. Cable and satellite boxes do not support HDMI Control. The receivers can not pass them.

Thank You,

Rocky
Customer Service Representative


This response sounds a bit like a cop-out to me. Basically "it's not us, it's them". However, I have read about several owners having issues with their cable/sat boxes in this thread but far fewer complaints about issues with blu-ray players or PS3's. Maybe there is merit to Rocky's response?

Does anyone have an HTPC running through this receiver and if so how well does it work with video image quality and also the standby pass-through feature? I have some reasons for wanting to connect the HTPC through the receiver instead of directly to the TV.

Also I started thinking about the power savings one may get when the receiver is in standby pass-through mode vs when it is ON and using the connected speakers. Has anyone measured the different power requirements here?

Finally, do the Yamaha and Onkyo units have these "HDMI Control" issues in standby mode with cable/sat boxes as well or is it just the Pioneer units?

I'm looking forward to getting this unit on Monday. Thanks for any input guys!

Here are some questions I have for any
post #3227 of 4995
Issue with a ~2 week old 1120:

Previously set up and working with no issues. HDMI into receiver from Pace DVR / Xbox360 to HDMI 1 and HDMI 2, respectively. HDMI out of projector to existing Monoprice 25' HDMI cable and Viewsonic Pro8200.

No issue with projector, it takes other HDMI / Component signals without issue.

However, with the Pioneer 1120, now there are four 4-8 pixel green "spots" in the lower 7/8 of the image, somewhat equally spaced.

The spots persist whether I'm using the Xbox360, DVR or Pioneer OSD. They are not static, they flutter a little bit. Some of the pixels are more blue, some are lighter green, some are almost flashing.

These were not showing the last time I powered the unit on. Now they will not go away with power cycling or anything I've found.

Any thoughts?

Note: in the full-screen picture, you can see the spots above the "Exit Box" and "Return Box" on the OSD.
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post #3228 of 4995
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Originally Posted by Bi_Polar View Post

I just ordered this receiver from Amazon after lamenting (like many others) between the comparative Yamaha and Onkyo models. Ultimately they all have some pro's/con's compared to their counterparts. With that said, I really did want the standby pass-through functionality and according to Pioneer all of their receivers above the vsx-920k support this feature. Here is the email response I received from their customer service:

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The VSX-1120 does support the HDMI pass through feature.
This feature begins with the VSX-920.

The most common issue with the feature, all devices have to support HDMI Control. Cable and satellite boxes do not support HDMI Control. The receivers can not pass them.

Thank You,

Rocky
Customer Service Representative

This response sounds a bit like a cop-out to me. Basically "it's not us, it's them". However, I have read about several owners having issues with their cable/sat boxes in this thread but far fewer complaints about issues with blu-ray players or PS3's. Maybe there is merit to Rocky's response?

Does anyone have an HTPC running through this receiver and if so how well does it work with video image quality and also the standby pass-through feature? I have some reasons for wanting to connect the HTPC through the receiver instead of directly to the TV.

Also I started thinking about the power savings one may get when the receiver is in standby pass-through mode vs when it is ON and using the connected speakers. Has anyone measured the different power requirements here?

Finally, do the Yamaha and Onkyo units have these "HDMI Control" issues in standby mode with cable/sat boxes as well or is it just the Pioneer units?

I'm looking forward to getting this unit on Monday. Thanks for any input guys!

Here are some questions I have for any

Yes he is right, and that is why most people have problems, because the source often doesn't have hdmi-cec when it is an older device or a set-top box. (it even says this in the manual)

Check to see about HDMI-CEC with your htpc. As for power, 400w is what the 1120 draws but it's going to depend on how much you have it turned up mostly.
post #3229 of 4995
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Originally Posted by tremor13 View Post

Issue with a ~2 week old 1120:

Previously set up and working with no issues. HDMI into receiver from Pace DVR / Xbox360 to HDMI 1 and HDMI 2, respectively. HDMI out of projector to existing Monoprice 25' HDMI cable and Viewsonic Pro8200.

No issue with projector, it takes other HDMI / Component signals without issue.

However, with the Pioneer 1120, now there are four 4-8 pixel green "spots" in the lower 7/8 of the image, somewhat equally spaced.

The spots persist whether I'm using the Xbox360, DVR or Pioneer OSD. They are not static, they flutter a little bit. Some of the pixels are more blue, some are lighter green, some are almost flashing.

These were not showing the last time I powered the unit on. Now they will not go away with power cycling or anything I've found.

Any thoughts?

Note: in the full-screen picture, you can see the spots above the "Exit Box" and "Return Box" on the OSD.

My guess is an issue with the 25' cable? Try plugging a source directly into your projector using the same cable.
post #3230 of 4995
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Originally Posted by Alaskan_awd View Post

My guess is an issue with the 25' cable? Try plugging a source directly into your projector using the same cable.

Looks like that's the issue. The projector is too far away to test, but I plugged a monitor with an HDMI input straight into the 1120's output and no green dots. Off to monoprice for a new cable!
post #3231 of 4995
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Originally Posted by rmc29615 View Post


Are these the ones you have?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I bought these at Lowe's and the head is too big to fit in the the hookups on the back of the receiver. I'm assuming the heads on the plugs you bought are much smaller.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_248214-60784...&storeId=10151

Palehorse,

Can you confirm where you got your banana plugs? There seems that each one is a different size. I've been to Bestbuy, Radioshack, etc. and each plug is different.

I use them. I've swapped them out a few times and they still fit snug.
post #3232 of 4995
Can some explain how to hook up by pio 1120 receiver to 4 Polk audio 50's. The polka have 2 speakers each so there is 4 terminals for each speaker. On back receiver I only see a left, right. Center and then some rear surround or other labels. Basically I have speaker terminals I need to connect to receiver (not including sub) and want to make sure I'm connect them to the correct places on the receiver. Thanks
post #3233 of 4995
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Originally Posted by palehorse View Post

You should use a 12v universal AC adapter as a trigger, not the amp's power cable itself. The amp itself should be plugged straight into a wall outlet.

palehorse -- Any links to the 12v universal adapter? The 12v Trigger Cable coming out of the UPA-5 is a Male and the 12v universal adapters i see all of them are male. Should i get a Male/Female Converter?
post #3234 of 4995
post #3235 of 4995
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Originally Posted by palehorse View Post

You are now the fourth person to report a broken sub pre-out (myself included). Mine failed two months after I bought it, but it was user error -- I moved the avr with the sub cable plugged in, and somehow broke whatever weak metal ring is on the inside of the pre-out.

The repair was simple -- they re-soldered the ring -- and mine has been working perfectly ever since.

That said, the pre-out for the sub does appear to be a weakpoint. I wouldn't call this a large trend, but everyone with this unit needs to be EXTRA careful when plugging the RCA in and out of the SW port.

You should just exchange it for another 1120. The next one will work just fine, I promise. Just be careful!

I'm getting a replacement. I was deciding between getting another 1120 or the Yamaha 667. I figured I'd give the 1120 another chance. After getting the pre-out fixed, did they make the solder point stronger? I just would hate to have it break later on.
post #3236 of 4995
Hello everyone, long time avsforum reader and finally joined after buying a new 1120K this week.

My current setup is only 2.0 using my good old stereo speakers so I can't take advantage of everything the 1120 has to offer yet, but I'll gradually piece everything together. I do have my old amp and spare set of speakers and I was using them to make sure everything on the new receiver works correctly before I get outside my window for returns or exchanges. Reading the reports of dead sub preouts had me nervous.

My question is do the preouts on this receiver output a line-level that is lower than normal? I've found the signal from my receiver's preouts to be very weak. Until now, I had my bluray's analog audio outs going directly into my old amp. With this setup, 2.5 or 3 on the amp's volume knob got me very loud sound, and a 4 would blow your ears and then the speakers. Using the 1120's center channel or surround preouts, I have to be at 4 or above on the old amp to hear sound. It is obvious how much louder the mains are than the old amp/speaker when I cycle the center channel on and off, even though the old amp's volume knob tells me the center channel should be way louder than the mains. I get similar results with the sub out. I think the settings on the receiver are correct because I get sound, just not very much of it.

Everything from the 1120's powered speaker outs sounds fantastic from any source, TV, Bluray, Tuner, etc. it's just the preouts that worry me. Will a true powered sub be ok or is it possible the whole preout portion of my receiver is bad? For the people with the bad sub out, was it competely dead? Its wierd to me that the preouts aren't completely dead, but what is there, I can barely hear. It does give the right kind of sound, bass with sub out, effects with the surround preouts, and speech with the center preout.

I could get a powered sub at BestBuy, test, and then return it, but I thought I'd ask here first before I did all that.

Thanks in advance for the help.
post #3237 of 4995
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Originally Posted by rmc29615 View Post


Are these the ones you have?

http://www.monoprice.com/products/pr...seq=1&format=2

I bought these at Lowe's and the head is too big to fit in the the hookups on the back of the receiver. I'm assuming the heads on the plugs you bought are much smaller.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_248214-60784...&storeId=10151

Palehorse,

Can you confirm where you got your banana plugs? There seems that each one is a different size. I've been to Bestbuy, Radioshack, etc. and each plug is different.

Like I said, I bought the "closed type" from Moniprice.com...
post #3238 of 4995
Hey all,

Just purchased and set up unit today. Everything seems to be ok, but I have a few questions.

1. Is it just me, or do I have to have to unit turned on to almost max volume to get loud sound? The unit goes from -80dbs and I have to hit about 50dbs to start hearing it. Is this normal?

2. What benefits are there to hooking up my satellite hd box to the receiver and then connect to receiver to the tv? I thought from the box to the tv is 1080p, how can the receiver get me a better than 1080p picture?
I was going to connect the tv to the receiver via optical cable, so if I wanted to use the receiver to hear the tv I could.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
post #3239 of 4995
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Originally Posted by miller542 View Post

Hello everyone, long time avsforum reader and finally joined after buying a new 1120K this week.

My current setup is only 2.0 using my good old stereo speakers so I can't take advantage of everything the 1120 has to offer yet, but I'll gradually piece everything together. I do have my old amp and spare set of speakers and I was using them to make sure everything on the new receiver works correctly before I get outside my window for returns or exchanges. Reading the reports of dead sub preouts had me nervous.

My question is do the preouts on this receiver output a line-level that is lower than normal? I've found the signal from my receiver's preouts to be very weak. Until now, I had my bluray's analog audio outs going directly into my old amp. With this setup, 2.5 or 3 on the amp's volume knob got me very loud sound, and a 4 would blow your ears and then the speakers. Using the 1120's center channel or surround preouts, I have to be at 4 or above on the old amp to hear sound. It is obvious how much louder the mains are than the old amp/speaker when I cycle the center channel on and off, even though the old amp's volume knob tells me the center channel should be way louder than the mains. I get similar results with the sub out. I think the settings on the receiver are correct because I get sound, just not very much of it.

Everything from the 1120's powered speaker outs sounds fantastic from any source, TV, Bluray, Tuner, etc. it's just the preouts that worry me. Will a true powered sub be ok or is it possible the whole preout portion of my receiver is bad? For the people with the bad sub out, was it competely dead? Its wierd to me that the preouts aren't completely dead, but what is there, I can barely hear. It does give the right kind of sound, bass with sub out, effects with the surround preouts, and speech with the center preout.

I could get a powered sub at BestBuy, test, and then return it, but I thought I'd ask here first before I did all that.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Mine was completely dead. No sound whatsoever. I'm not sure what you're experiencing. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Good Luck!
post #3240 of 4995
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Originally Posted by Bi_Polar View Post

I just ordered this receiver from Amazon after lamenting (like many others) between the comparative Yamaha and Onkyo models. Ultimately they all have some pro's/con's compared to their counterparts. With that said, I really did want the standby pass-through functionality and according to Pioneer all of their receivers above the vsx-920k support this feature. Here is the email response I received from their customer service:

Thank you for contacting Pioneer Electronics, Inc.
The VSX-1120 does support the HDMI pass through feature.
This feature begins with the VSX-920.

The most common issue with the feature, all devices have to support HDMI Control. Cable and satellite boxes do not support HDMI Control. The receivers can not pass them.

Thank You,

Rocky
Customer Service Representative

This response sounds a bit like a cop-out to me. Basically "it's not us, it's them". However, I have read about several owners having issues with their cable/sat boxes in this thread but far fewer complaints about issues with blu-ray players or PS3's. Maybe there is merit to Rocky's response?

Does anyone have an HTPC running through this receiver and if so how well does it work with video image quality and also the standby pass-through feature? I have some reasons for wanting to connect the HTPC through the receiver instead of directly to the TV.

Also I started thinking about the power savings one may get when the receiver is in standby pass-through mode vs when it is ON and using the connected speakers. Has anyone measured the different power requirements here?

Finally, do the Yamaha and Onkyo units have these "HDMI Control" issues in standby mode with cable/sat boxes as well or is it just the Pioneer units?

I'm looking forward to getting this unit on Monday. Thanks for any input guys!

Here are some questions I have for any

My HTPC outputs 1080p, so I set the 1120 to pass the HTPC's video through untouched. I also really enjoy seeing the DTS-MA or TrueHD lights glow when I'm playing bluray ISO's!

Regarding hdmi control: The entire HDMI-CEC "standard" is jacked up; but, 9 times out of 10, it really is the source that's screwed up, not the avr.

There's a lot of user error involved as well...
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