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post #151 of 832
2/8/11 at 12:55pm
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Originally Posted by Xavier1 View Post

Fraisa, I find that people ask the same thing when I tell them how excited I am about 3D. "I'm waiting until no glasses are needed!."

I tell them, "Have fun waiting for 10 years while the rest enjoy glorious 3D."

Big screen glasses-free 3D has so many issues/hurdles to overcome to even hope to MATCH the quality of shutterglass 3D systems.

Ugh, I certainly wouldn't call my experience with 3D "enjoying" it, neither would I have categorized it as "glorious". Granted my experience is solely with "Real3D" at movie theatres, but it left a LOT to be desired. In all cases:
Anything that I was not looking directly at was out of focus and didn't really seem to be 3D; it was a pretty crappy picture taken as a whole.
The glasses became uncomfortable after a short amount of time (I'd say about 20-30 minutes).
By the end of the movies I was getting a pretty bad headache.

After seeing my first 3D movie I swore I'd never pay extra to do it again, until we promised my daughter we'd go see Tangled and the 2D version was sold out when we arrived.

You go nuts with it, but I'll wait for whatever tech comes along that actually allows me to enjoy 3D.
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post #152 of 832
3/7/11 at 9:48am
Any news yet?
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post #153 of 832
3/7/11 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by eduardw View Post

Any news yet?

Our 1st shipment for New Zealand has arrived, I will be taking one home for a test run this week.
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post #154 of 832
3/7/11 at 3:00pm
Thats good news. I'would love the read your comments about the pj.

Eduard
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post #155 of 832
3/11/11 at 10:20pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

Our 1st shipment for New Zealand has arrived, I will be taking one home for a test run this week.

Have you had a chance to test it out yet? If so, what did you think?

I got to borrow a HC9000 last weekend for testing it in a CIH system and I must say, I was blown away with the PQ, hence my new signature.
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post #156 of 832
3/12/11 at 11:29am
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

Have you had a chance to test it out yet? If so, what did you think?

I got to borrow a HC9000 last weekend for testing it in a CIH system and I must say, I was blown away with the PQ, hence my new signature.

No sorry, my one has now been put back to this coming week, will report back as soon....

What size screen did you test it on, and did you use a "A" lens with it?
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post #157 of 832
3/12/11 at 1:52pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

What size screen did you test it on, and did you use a "A" lens with it?

I set it up in my small room, so only had an 8 foot wide screen. I also only had it for two days and needed to test it with a prism lens (MK3+C). If I had been able to have the projector for say a week, I would have pulled the MK4 (true cylindrical lens) down off the rack. I know it would have been even better. The MK3+C did good though.

I blogged about it HERE.
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post #158 of 832
3/12/11 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

I set it up in my small room, so only had an 8 foot wide screen. I also only had it for two days and needed to test it with a prism lens (MK3+C). If I had been able to have the projector for say a week, I would have pulled the MK4 (true cylindrical lens) down off the rack. I know it would have been even better. The MK3+C did good though.

I blogged about it HERE.

Would they light up a 145" scope screen since they only have 1000 lumens?
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post #159 of 832
3/12/11 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

Would they light up a 145" scope screen since they only have 1000 lumens?

I'll say the projector would do it with out issue as I've installed similar lumen projectors on 150" screens with out issue. It is the shutter glasses that kills the light for 3D mode. What I found was that once the glasses are on and your eyes adjust, the perceived light level drop is not too bad. Having said that, this projector was handed to me with just 1 hour on the clock (I gave it back with a fair few more ) so it would be interesting to see what it looks like after say 500 hours.
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post #160 of 832
3/12/11 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by CAVX View Post

I'll say the projector would do it with out issue as I've installed similar lumen projectors on 150" screens with out issue. It is the shutter glasses that kills the light for 3D mode. What I found was that once the glasses are on and your eyes adjust, the perceived light level drop is not too bad. Having said that, this projector was handed to me with just 1 hour on the clock (I gave it back with a fair few more ) so it would be interesting to see what it looks like after say 500 hours.

Yes this is the main problem, hours on the clock can change everything!
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post #161 of 832
3/12/11 at 6:44pm
Bring on LED
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post #162 of 832
3/24/11 at 4:51am
Thread Starter 
I just receive my HC 9000, full review will follow in a few days :










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post #163 of 832
3/24/11 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

I just receive my HC 9000, full review will follow in a few days :

Where will the review be published? Hopefully we will have a detailed comparison to the VW90ES.
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post #164 of 832
3/24/11 at 10:20am
Thread Starter 
Here on www.audiovideohd.fr
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post #165 of 832
3/24/11 at 10:39am
This is great to hear, I know many folks have been anticipating a detailed review of the HC9000. It's a nice looking design they chose.

Please focus a part of the review on lumen output in 2D D65 calibrated mode vs. 3D light output so we have a frame of reference compared to the Sony & JVC 3D models.

thanks!
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post #166 of 832
3/24/11 at 10:43am
Thread Starter 
No problem. For example my own review of the SONY VPL-VW90ES is here :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/272...90ES-3D-0.html
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post #167 of 832
3/24/11 at 1:36pm
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

No problem. For example my own review of the SONY VPL-VW90ES is here :

http://www.audiovideohd.fr/tests/272...90ES-3D-0.html

My HC9000 arrives today, Im hoping I have the lumens to fill my 145" dia. scope screen!

They do say the lumens match the X3 / RS40
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post #168 of 832
3/24/11 at 4:16pm
Mits is having a mount made by premier for this model...
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post #169 of 832
3/25/11 at 1:09pm
Well all I can say is WOW with my first 3 hours of playing with the HC9000! The light output is absolutely AMAZING its a total light cannon. It easily fills my 145" dia. scope screen all in best mode, its dazzling. Its blacks are breathtaking the best Ive ever seen. Its the first projector Ive ever used that almost totally fades to black, Ive always wanted a projector that could.

Will play a bit more tonight and report back.
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post #170 of 832
3/25/11 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

Well all I can say is WOW with my first 3 hours of playing with the HC9000! The light output is absolutely AMAZING its a total light cannon. It easily fills my 145" dia. scope screen all in best mode, its dazzling. Its blacks are breathtaking the best Ive ever seen. Its the first projector Ive ever used that almost totally fades to black, Ive always wanted a projector that could.

Will play a bit more tonight and report back.

How is it in Ambient Light?
Also how does it handle Red Push..?

Also can you post some Screen shots...
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post #171 of 832
3/25/11 at 2:22pm
When will this be available in the US? Any ideas of the $$?

This is interesting - no warranty for purchases online. Where are you supposed to buy it from?

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....s/HC9000D.html

Backed by Mitsubishi's Warranty
2-Years Limited Parts and Labor Warranty*
1-Year or 500-hours lamp warranty (whichever comes first)

* - US Warranty and Technical Service support not eligible for HC9000D models purchased online
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post #172 of 832
3/25/11 at 3:10pm
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

When will this be available in the US? Any ideas of the $$?

This is interesting - no warranty for purchases online. Where are you supposed to buy it from?

http://www.mitsubishi-presentations....s/HC9000D.html

Backed by Mitsubishi's Warranty
2-Years Limited Parts and Labor Warranty*
1-Year or 500-hours lamp warranty (whichever comes first)

* - US Warranty and Technical Service support not eligible for HC9000D models purchased online

This unit is available from Mits Auth Dealers only
Not online stores
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post #173 of 832
3/25/11 at 3:57pm
I checked several zip codes (Dallas & New Orleans) and it comes up with nothing using Mits website. So how are you supposed to buy this?
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post #174 of 832
3/26/11 at 7:29am
Thread Starter 
Here the first results at 6571k


928 Lumens Lampe high without cinema Filter (338 lux)
790 Lumens Lampe low without cinema Filter (290 lux)

with Filter Lampe high 287 lux (781 lumens)
with Filter Lampe low 240 lux (653 lumens)

Blacks level 0.015 lux.

Native contrast ratio : 19333:1
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post #175 of 832
3/26/11 at 7:33am
Thread Starter 
Cinema Mode :

http://img141.images...chelledegriscine.jpg



Video Mode :

http://img217.images...chelledegrisvide.jpg



High Mode :

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/463...degrislumi.jpg



After calibration :

6571k and a 2.5 delta E at 2.5

http://img199.images...chelledegrisapre.jpg







Sharpness artefacts :

without sharpness :

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1729/dsc03132p.jpg

with sharpness at first level :

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/724/dsc03133d.jpg

Pannels alignments :

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8823/dsc03131z.jpg

The center of the picture is good, but this picture was taken on the right side, you can see the red and the green aren't good.
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post #176 of 832
3/26/11 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

Cinema Mode :

http://img141.images...chelledegriscine.jpg



Video Mode :

http://img217.images...chelledegrisvide.jpg



High Mode :

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/463...degrislumi.jpg



After calibration :

6571k and a 2.5 delta E at 2.5

http://img199.images...chelledegrisapre.jpg







Sharpness artefacts :

without sharpness :

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/1729/dsc03132p.jpg

with sharpness at first level :

http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/724/dsc03133d.jpg

Pannels alignments :

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8823/dsc03131z.jpg

The center of the picture is good, but this picture was taken on the right side, you can see the red and the green aren't good.

She is calibrated nice,
Can you now post some screen shots...
Thanks
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post #177 of 832
3/26/11 at 9:03am
I'm no expert, but the gamma doesn't look very good to me, even after calibration. ?
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post #178 of 832
3/26/11 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by kraine View Post

Here the first results at 6571k


928 Lumens Lampe high without cinema Filter (338 lux)
790 Lumens Lampe low without cinema Filter (290 lux)

with Filter Lampe high 287 lux (781 lumens)
with Filter Lampe low 240 lux (653 lumens)

Blacks level 0.015 lux.

Native contrast ratio : 19333:1

Kraine - Hi, I have a few questions / comments. Is the cinema filter similar to the Xenon filter in the JVC RS50/60?

The lumens are impressive with high mode without the filter. Is this a D65 calibrated measurement?

Does this projector have a full CMS to correct the green and yellow?

I'm curious if the HC9000 has a panel adjustment option or are you stuck with how ever it ships from the factory? I sent back 3 HC5500 LCD's because their alignment was poor and couldn't do anything about it.

For the price point, it would be disappointing if it didn't have a pixel adjustment mode.

The gamma looks a little rough even after the calibration and is pretty bad out of the box. I wonder why it's so far off?

Thank you for the great feedback so far!
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post #179 of 832
3/26/11 at 10:56am
Thread Starter 
Those results are after calibration.

The hc9000 have a full CMS (in the 3 dimensions) but it doesn't work fine.

Pannels alignments on the HC9000 isn't precise enough to compensate the misalignement on the side (1 pixel range). It's not as good as the VW90ES.

As you can see I wasn't able to get a higher gamma value then 2.1
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post #180 of 832
3/26/11 at 11:50am
Kraine,
Looks like from your numbers the RS40, VW90, and HC9000 all have a very similar static (non DI) on/off CR.
Code:
Item                  open      closed     dynamic
VW90                 20500:1   35520:1   ~120K: 1
HC9000               19333:1
RS40                 25000:1   38000:1
HW20                  9000:1  ~14000:1   56250:1
Is there any difference in the DI operations between the VW90 and the HC9000 that you have noticed so far?

Are you noticing any increased sharpness of the HC9000 over the VW90?

The HC7000 had a great lens which seems to have been carried over to the HC9000.

Thanks for another great detailed review.
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