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post #211 of 832
A few good manufactures abandoned the FP market the last few years so this is welcomed news!!
post #212 of 832
I'm going to visit Mark H tomorrow. Unfortunately he won't have the HC9000 yet. I'm dieing to see how the picture compares to the JVC RS50. My eyes are getting keener as I get older. Isn't it supposed to be the opposite. Not so in the Home theater world. I'm impressed at the differences between the technologies. So far Lcos/SXRD wows me the most. From what we've been hearing, this Mits could become a front runner.
If that's the case we can breath easy as they are at our finger tips.
post #213 of 832
I will compare this PJ directly against the VW90 in my own HT next week and it will be exiting to see how it holds against it. I will post my impressions here.
post #214 of 832
It's difficult when these PJ's can't be viewed before purchase. Thanks for your reviews and the reviews of others. Looking forward to the comparison of the VW90 and the Mits HC9000. Wish you were doing a comparison of the RS50 but some one will. :-)
post #215 of 832
Projector Central posted a review of the Mits today.

Note the shootout between the Mits and the Sharp XV-Z17000 (the Sharp for 3D, the Mits for 2D).

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mits...tor_review.htm
post #216 of 832
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

Projector Central posted a review of the Mits today.

Note the shootout between the Mits and the Sharp XV-Z17000 (the Sharp for 3D, the Mits for 2D).

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mits...tor_review.htm

Fantastic review from PC, I think this is now the 1st in English. They have similar findings to me, I just think this projector is one of the best I have ever played with, so good I now own it!

What I do like is it fills a large screen with ease and the blacks and shadow detail are the best Ive ever seen.

Still haven't played with the 3D as the 2D is so fantastic I haven't bothered to hook up the emitter.
post #217 of 832
Since Epson has dropped the ball with there new units.
I will be replacing my Epson 9700 in my Main Room with this
HC 9000 in the next 6 weeks.
I Am concerned that my .8 gain screen BD may not work with the 3d.

Will have to wait to see on that.
Again Mits is designing a mount to go with this unit.
post #218 of 832
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post
Since Epson has dropped the ball with there new units.
I will be replacing my Epson 9700 in my Main Room with this
HC 9000 in the next 6 weeks.
I Am concerned that my .8 gain screen BD may not work with the 3d.

Will have to wait to see on that.
Again Mits is designing a mount to go with this unit.
Are you concerned about the brightness you'll get from the screen?
post #219 of 832
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

Projector Central posted a review of the Mits today.

Note the shootout between the Mits and the Sharp XV-Z17000 (the Sharp for 3D, the Mits for 2D).

http://www.projectorcentral.com/mits...tor_review.htm

Right now, if you want the best of 2D and 3D you need two projectors. At some point, soon I hope, they'll be a projector that gives us the best of both worlds. I'm covered for 2D, however, I would like something like the Sharp for 3D, but with more placement flexibility.
post #220 of 832
Hey Guys,

I should receive this unit early next week for evaluation.

Any more thoughts from users?

Ran
post #221 of 832
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Originally Posted by Benito Joaquin View Post
Are you concerned about the brightness you'll get from the screen?
The .8 gain wouldnt be the best for 3d actually SI BD has a new 2.7 gain that will work better with 3d.
Also with BD the light reflected back into the room is at a minimium level.

It will be a testing first for sure
I will test the 2.7 in the form of a mini screen against the .8 to see what i gain and what i loose.

This room will be multi purpose also i will be mounting the Mits 9000 beside my Epson 9700.
Wont replace the 9700 til the top model comes out late fall
This gives me top models from both companies.

Should have my 9000 in 6 weeks.
post #222 of 832
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Originally Posted by fraisa View Post

The .8 gain wouldnt be the best for 3d actually SI BD has a new 2.7 gain that will work better with 3d.
Also with BD the light reflected back into the room is at a minimium level.

It will be a testing first for sure
I will test the 2.7 in the form of a mini screen against the .8 to see what i gain and what i loose.

This room will be multi purpose also i will be mounting the Mits 9000 beside my Epson 9700.
Wont replace the 9700 til the top model comes out late fall
This gives me top models from both companies.

Should have my 9000 in 6 weeks.

Why a long delay on the mits 9000?
If you are interested in getting it now, i believe i have two in stock and can double check if interested?

Benito
post #223 of 832
Would this PJ be able to give me enough foot lamberts for a 133" HP screen from 16'? I do have some ambient light. Right now I am using a Mits HC6000 and am satisfied with the brightness at the low setting.
post #224 of 832
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Originally Posted by Benito Joaquin View Post

Why a long delay on the mits 9000?
If you are interested in getting it now, i believe i have two in stock and can double check if interested?

Benito

Edit,,,
That is great you got them in stock...
post #225 of 832
Let me ease your confusion. We can and do sell the Mits 9000. We are a dealer for it.

We are not a dealer for the Epson 9700 and do not sell it. We are dealers for other Epson machines.
post #226 of 832
The HC9000 is not only a great projector, it is also packed with features not often found on many projectors, it even has a setting for "pincushion" for those with anamorphic Len's
post #227 of 832
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Let me ease your confusion. We can and do sell the Mits 9000. We are a dealer for it.

Awesome
I wasnt aware thats great.
post #228 of 832
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

The HC9000 is not only a great projector, it is also packed with features not often found on many projectors, it even has a setting for "pincushion" for those with anamorphic Len's

I am jealous of the lumen output the HC9000 has in 3D mode.. amazing. it's double the amount of light my RS50 can handle and the lamp is only 5 Watt's more than the JVC.. proving Mitsubishi did something right and JVC missed the boat for the equally priced projector.

I hope your lamps hold up better than mine. I lost 35%+ in only ~200 hours on my JVC.
post #229 of 832
Mits did lower the Gamma on its 3d and even the regular gamma curves are not very flat. The lower (brighter) curves for 3D do play a part in having higher output in 3D.
post #230 of 832
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

I am jealous of the lumen output the HC9000 has in 3D mode.. amazing. it's double the amount of light my RS50 can handle and the lamp is only 5 Watt's more than the JVC.. proving Mitsubishi did something right and JVC missed the boat for the equally priced projector.

I hope your lamps hold up better than mine. I lost 35%+ in only ~200 hours on my JVC.

What is the Lumens Rating on this Unit?
Normal and 3d mode?

Edit
Found it
1100 lumens and Contrast is 150,000
Dont know specs on lumens in 3d mode
post #231 of 832
Last friday the HC9000 replaced my JVC HD750.

Out of the box with Preset "Cinema" and 6500K and activated cinema filter and
iris set to fully open, I measured ~800 lumens in eco mode and ~950 lumen in lamp high with my lux meter (center measure). Compared to the HD750 this is a step up from 800 lumens for the JVC at high mode and iris open. Not dramatic but it helps to to supply enough light for my 2.8m Cheaptrick for quite some time.

At this setting I measured also an on/off contrast of 17000:1. Not bad at all.
With the HD750 at iris full open I measured 32000:1 at the same position.
So this is only half of what I had before. But to me this is only noticeable in complete black outs and it does not really bother me. Closing down the iris half way, I measured around 21000:1, not much more but the light output drops noticeably (havent measured yet how much).

I would not recommend the variable iris: It waits long before it reacts, and if it finally does it is neither doing it in real time nor quiet. If you thought Epson iris is slow and loud, you have seen nothing yet.

I use the Frame interpolation in "true movie" mode (the lesser one) and am very pleased. It does a good job at reducing motion blur but without introducing soap look. After around 12 hours of movies watching I have not yet spotted a single artifact that I could blame on the FI. The motion blur was my biggest problem with the HD750 (and other projectors without FI) so I am very pleased with the HC9000. If you want even more fluid motion you can switch to "real video" FI, but then it does look kind of artificial to me.

Another big plus for the Mitsubishi: No banding/solarisation in motion or red/cyan shift at moving high contrast edges like the HD750 showed at certain scenes.


All in all I would not say that the Mitsubishi "blows the HD750 out of the water" but the added brightness, the better motion handling and the absence of the banding /color artifacts make for a nice upgrade.
post #232 of 832
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Originally Posted by lozoppo View Post

Last friday the HC9000 replaced my JVC HD750.

Out of the box with Preset "Cinema" and 6500K and activated cinema filter and
iris set to fully open, I measured ~800 lumens in eco mode and ~950 lumen in lamp high with my lux meter (center measure). Compared to the HD750 this is a step up from 800 lumens for the JVC at high mode and iris open. Not dramatic but it helps to to supply enough light for my 2.8m Cheaptrick for quite some time.

At this setting I measured also an on/off contrast of 17000:1. Not bad at all.
With the HD750 at iris full open I measured 32000:1 at the same position.
So this is only half of what I had before. But to me this is only noticeable in complete black outs and it does not really bother me. Closing down the iris half way, I measured around 21000:1, not much more but the light output drops noticeably (havent measured yet how much).

I would not recommend the variable iris: It waits long before it reacts, and if it finally does it is neither doing it in real time nor quiet. If you thought Epson iris is slow and loud, you have seen nothing yet.

I use the Frame interpolation in "true movie" mode (the lesser one) and am very pleased. It does a good job at reducing motion blur but without introducing soap look. After around 12 hours of movies watching I have not yet spotted a single artifact that I could blame on the FI. The motion blur was my biggest problem with the HD750 (and other projectors without FI) so I am very pleased with the HC9000. If you want even more fluid motion you can switch to "real video" FI, but then it does look kind of artificial to me.

Another big plus for the Mitsubishi: No banding/solarisation in motion or red/cyan shift at moving high contrast edges like the HD750 showed at certain scenes.


All in all I would not say that the Mitsubishi "blows the HD750 out of the water" but the added brightness, the better motion handling and the absence of the banding /color artifacts make for a nice upgrade.

How does this compare to the brightness level of the epson 9700 i am use to...
With running a .8 gain screen the low lumens does concern me ... Or will it be a non issue...?
post #233 of 832
I am not sure how the US model numbers of Epson compare to the european numbers.
I had the Epson 4400 for testing at my place for a few days.
In cinema mode (or was it natural?) with activated filter the Epson only had around 550 lumens in high lamp! It wasn't even as bright as my HD750 with several hundred hours on the lamp.

Of course if you put the Epson into dynamic mode without filter it was more than twice as bright as in cinema mode. The drawback was that green color got a yellow tint and could not be fixed with the CMS.

The Mitsubishi also has a cinema filter that you can disable, but it only gains around 15-20% more light and also suffers from yellowish green.
post #234 of 832
post #235 of 832
Hello All,

As RapalloAV pointed out the video "review" unboxing, menu structure, set up, etc is now posted. The "formal" written review will be up shortly.

This is my first foray into public posting of a review I have done. I am very open to constructive criticism. I know AV Science and myself want to provide information about new projectors that is more useful than the standard review you can find on every other site. Feel free to make comments, suggestions, etc. I will do my best to incorporate your ideas and recommendations into future efforts.

You can PM if you do not want to leave the comment on the review page.

Thank you and I hope you enjoy.
David
post #236 of 832
Thanks David. I am anxiously awaiting the review. I am considering pairing this with a 2.35 144" diagonal screen so your review will be very timely. From watching the videos it sounded like there were a few issues such as color calibration and projector noise. I was originally considering the RS50, but with the light output I am going to have to look elsewhere. Hope the review is fairly positive as the projector central review has be hoping this turns out to be a good choice.
post #237 of 832
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Originally Posted by movieguy2001 View Post

Thanks David. I am anxiously awaiting the review. I am considering pairing this with a 2.35 144" diagonal screen so your review will be very timely. From watching the videos it sounded like there were a few issues such as color calibration and projector noise. I was originally considering the RS50, but with the light output I am going to have to look elsewhere. Hope the review is fairly positive as the projector central review has be hoping this turns out to be a good choice.

Im using the HC9000 on full lamp and think the fan noise is VERY MINIMAL if ceiling mounted very few would ever notice it!
On NORMAL you cant even hear it.

All projectors are rated at the LOW lamp setting, the HC9000 is rated at 19db, thats low.

It is no worse than other more expensive projectors Ive tested on HIGH lamp.
post #238 of 832
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Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post

Hello All,

As RapalloAV pointed out the video "review" unboxing, menu structure, set up, etc is now posted. The "formal" written review will be up shortly.

This is my first foray into public posting of a review I have done. I am very open to constructive criticism. I know AV Science and myself want to provide information about new projectors that is more useful than the standard review you can find on every other site. Feel free to make comments, suggestions, etc. I will do my best to incorporate your ideas and recommendations into future efforts.

You can PM if you do not want to leave the comment on the review page.

Thank you and I hope you enjoy.
David

David I think its a nice idea having the "pre" written preview as video, it does give potential buyers a first hand approach to what their hard earned cash is going to, especially for internet buyers. Good work.
post #239 of 832
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Originally Posted by RapalloAV View Post

Im using the HC9000 on full lamp and think the fan noise is VERY MINIMAL if ceiling mounted very few would ever notice it!
On NORMAL you cant even hear it.

All projectors are rated at the LOW lamp setting, the HC9000 is rated at 19db, thats low.

It is no worse than other more expensive projectors Ive tested on HIGH lamp.

Thanks for that. It sounds like this is one issue I shouldn't be too worried about. Have you used the dynamic iris at all? Is that very noisy when engaged?
post #240 of 832
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Originally Posted by movieguy2001 View Post

Thanks for that. It sounds like this is one issue I shouldn't be too worried about. Have you used the dynamic iris at all? Is that very noisy when engaged?

The iris is a bit too slow, I dont use it all all, set at OPEN is fantastic, the blacks are amazing and really POP!

You just dont need the IRIS at all, set at open you will never ever miss it. An iris is only needed when the contast isnt that good, with the HC9000 you dont need it
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