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post #421 of 829
7/1/11 at 2:10pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

I have mine sitting on a table since the ceiling has other projectors mounted. I as a matter of princple do not do screen shots as I think they are worthless in most cases. .

Not looking to make a purchase based on a screen shot,
I have already tested the projector.
Totally in love , just would like to see some shots.

But I would like to see how you guys have your projector set up,
I just saw a Low profile Mits Mount on Ebay for the HC9000.
its actually made by Mits and is Exclusive to the HC9000
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post #422 of 829
7/1/11 at 3:52pm
Sure wish the Mits had as short a throw ratio as the other lcos machines (JVC and Sony), i.e., ~ 1.37, rather than it's value of ~ 1.57. I have a large screen (128"W) and not so deep a room (~17.5 ft).
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post #423 of 829
7/1/11 at 7:02pm
I'm right at the limit for my setup, a lower ratio might be nice but the a lens seems happier being closer to 1.6... My wife, who was not happy about the purchase, is happy about the picture quality...
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post #424 of 829
7/2/11 at 8:02am
so has anyone used their hc9000 for 3d gaming? how is the crosstalk/ghosting?
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post #425 of 829
7/2/11 at 8:54am
[quote]Sure wish the Mits had as short a throw ratio as the other lcos machines (JVC and Sony), i.e., ~ 1.37, rather than it's value of ~ 1.57. I have a large screen (128"W) and not so deep a room (~17.5 ft)./QUOTE]

I totally agree, a shorter lens throw would be nicer! Also, 3 user memories for lens zoom/focus/shift for those who want use a zoom in method for displaying 2.35 image on a 2.35 screens, 1.85, and 1.78.
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post #426 of 829
7/8/11 at 1:58pm
I'm not familiar with this reviewer, but he just posted a new review of the Mits HC900 with measurements in 2D and 3D:
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...-projector.php

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ON THE TEST BENCH: 3D

All well and good – the HC9000D is a top-notch 2D projector – but what happens in 3D mode? For starters, let’s see what happens when switching from 2D mode to 3D mode with glasses off and on.

To measure the changes in brightness, I placed a Minolta CL200 directly in front of my projection screen to take an incident light reading from the projector for this test. I started with a baseline (glassless) reading of 1124 lux and a measured color temperature of 6190K – a bit on the warm side. With 3D mode enabled on the projector, but no glasses in place, the readings changed to 1137 lux (3D brightness @ 5.0) and 6093K.

After positioning Mitsubishi’s active shutter glasses in front of the CL200’s sensor, brightness readings dropped to 419 lux with a color temperature of 6576K. Finally, I turned the glasses on, and saw brightness drop to 146 lux while the measured color temperature soared to 8529K. (Switching the lamp from its normal setting into HIGH mode increased brightness slightly to 66 lux.)

That’s quite a decrease! Comparing the final 3D reading with glasses to the calibrated 2D reading without glasses, the amount of light that finally makes it to your eyes has decreased by about 87%.



Craig
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post #427 of 829
7/8/11 at 2:03pm
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I'm not familiar with this reviewer, but he just posted a new review of the Mits HC900 with measurements in 2D and 3D:
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...-projector.php





Craig

hmmm, everyone else seems to think it has fairly bright 3d. How many lumens/fl does that turn out to be?
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post #428 of 829
7/10/11 at 9:40pm
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Originally Posted by craig john View Post

I'm not familiar with this reviewer, but he just posted a new review of the Mits HC900 with measurements in 2D and 3D:
http://www.hdtvmagazine.com/columns/...-projector.php

I am, and I can't get past his apparent incomprehension of the importance of on/off CR.
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post #429 of 829
7/17/11 at 9:27am
Hello,

Do you know If there's a new firmware for the cms?

In France Mitsubishi say that it will arrive but it's long.
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post #430 of 829
7/17/11 at 10:57pm
Does anybody know how to check the firmware version
I assume it's a button combination
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post #431 of 829
7/18/11 at 8:12am
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

I am, and I can't get past his apparent incomprehension of the importance of on/off CR.

It is also interesting that he measured green as falling outside of the gamut of visible color.
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post #432 of 829
7/19/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post


There are many many controls. You can get a read out of exactly how far you have moved lens shift and it can be recentered easily with the read outs.

Mark,

I am just getting around to setting up my HC9000D and I've got the picture dialed in pretty well, but I can't for the life of me figure out how to see the values for the lens shift so I know I didn't accidentally set horizontal lens shift when doing the vertical. Can you help me out and let me know how to see these values? When I hit the lens shift button I only get the display of the grid with the arrows, but no values for the settings. I am probably missing something obvious.
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post #433 of 829
7/19/11 at 7:40pm
Will be Posting Screen SHots in the next few days of Mits 9000 with SI BD 2.7 Gain...
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post #434 of 829
7/20/11 at 11:55am
We a couple in stock if anyone is interested in them. Besides having a great picture they dont seem to have any quality control problems
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post #435 of 829
7/20/11 at 2:19pm
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Originally Posted by Daniel Hutnicki View Post

We a couple in stock if anyone is interested in them. Besides having a great picture they dont seem to have any quality control problems

Amen to that regarding Quality ,,, Thats why we are getting on board the Mits Train....hoot hoot...

Start of some Shots...
My Camera IS not the best and my ISO was set to auto so a bit of noise but atleast they are in focus...






All this Light coming off and No Light reflecting above...
Thats something alot of screens Cant Do.. Sorry..



Matte White Screen Above 2.7 below
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post #436 of 829
7/20/11 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Daniel Hutnicki View Post

We a couple in stock if anyone is interested in them. Besides having a great picture they dont seem to have any quality control problems

how about the fact that the CMS is in a non working state? word got out about this quick and the HC9000 does not seem like a hot seller.

perhaps they should join JVC with the RS50/RS60 and knock off a good 1,500 from the price so owners can properly calibrate their projector with an external lumagen mini 3D.

If the CMS issues have been corrected, owners please let the forum know. Otherwise, I don't see the value compared to the RS40 or the upcoming Sony HW30 given the HC9000's street price.
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post #437 of 829
7/20/11 at 3:11pm
We posted that no one should buy it if they wanted a built in CMS. We have some great deals going on right now and if you want to find out the details give any of our sales staff a call.
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post #438 of 829
7/21/11 at 12:08am
My CMS seems to work.
It's only very slight adjustments but when I look through the color filters from DVE HD essentials bluray it definitely changes the levels.
I bought it about a month ago so maybe it has the newer firmware
I just don't know how to check which firmware it has
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post #439 of 829
7/21/11 at 7:01am
Maybe they made some adjustments. When it first came out until you got almost to the end of the adjustment there was no change. Hopefully they have changed this.
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post #440 of 829
7/21/11 at 7:43am
I emailed their support, there is no indication of a firmware update being available for the HC9000. The CMS issues were validated by a number of pro's using professional equipment.

I was interested in this projector for a 2nd room, but I can't consider paying premium prices for the built in CMS if it's not working correctly. I have already been burned by JVC with paying for the RS50 which also has a broken CMS. After waiting 7 months for a fix, I have recently learned that JVC has zero intentions on fixing the outstanding issues.

this looks like a trend. selling a sought after feature for a premium, then it doesn't work as advertised. I would recommend Mitsubishi and JVC discount their projectors or sell for current pricing and include a lumagen Mini 3D if they want to push the projector as having a working CMS.

My impression is that the Sony HW30 is going to equal or slightly outpace the HC9000 for quite a bit less $$.
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post #441 of 829
7/21/11 at 8:09am
The CMS adjustments can have an effect, just not the effect they are supposed to have. You can use it to adjust color decoding errors as you have, but that's all you can do.

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Originally Posted by hamish b View Post

My CMS seems to work.
It's only very slight adjustments but when I look through the color filters from DVE HD essentials bluray it definitely changes the levels.
I bought it about a month ago so maybe it has the newer firmware
I just don't know how to check which firmware it has
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post #442 of 829
7/21/11 at 8:16am
"My impression is that the Sony HW30 is going to equal or slightly outpace the HC9000 for quite a bit less $$."

Amazing impression since the projector is even out yet. I love those statements. You can spend your whole life waiting for the next model.

My impressions is that the Sony HW00 coming out in 2018 is going to outpace or equal the HW30 for quite a bit less money plus it will be 3D with scratch and smell feature.
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post #443 of 829
7/21/11 at 8:17am
It's really strange with all the CMSs not working with the premium models. OTOH: The JVC RS50/X7 does not really need one as the color space preset in the factory (Standard/Normal) is well below DeltaE 3 (CIE94). The same with the Sony VW90. However the Mitsubishi HC9000 does not offer such a preset at all!
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post #444 of 829
7/21/11 at 8:55am
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Originally Posted by mtdking View Post

"My impression is that the Sony HW30 is going to equal or slightly outpace the HC9000 for quite a bit less $$."

Amazing impression since the projector is even out yet. I love those statements. You can spend your whole life waiting for the next model.

Cine4home and Kraines early impressions are good enough to provide value for what could be a 3k street price. My point is that HC9000 is priced at a premium over this upcoming model and should have a detailed, fully functioning CMS as advertised.

Since JVC isn't going to fix the issues with the 2011 models that have the CMS, a buyer should assume that whatever the projector is capable of out of the box is what you get. Don't count on CEM's to provide fixes for issues if they aren't addressed before the projector ships.

btw, I've been meaning to asking you about the Marantz 11S2, i'll send a pm.
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post #445 of 829
7/21/11 at 5:14pm
I think the Mits is one fine projector. It is a premium model with premium features and throws a sharp rich picture. The colors are not noticeably off. In any event, owning a Lumagen I can get them spot on but I have no problem watching after gray scale and gamma adjustments without tweaking the primary points.
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post #446 of 829
7/22/11 at 1:29pm
is anyone using the low profile mount on there mits 9000 that is sold by Mits?
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post #447 of 829
7/25/11 at 7:53am
Does anyone know how to zero out the lens shift? When setting up my Mits I accidentally hit the horizontal lens shift and would just like to reset it to its 0 setting. I am using an anamorphic lens so using horizontal lens shift not possible anyways. I know I can eye-ball it, but I would rather use the projector settings to reset it if possible. The "reset all settings" menu item will reset all values in the projector, but not the lens shift.

BTW - the light output from this projector is wonderful. I am throwing a 115" diagonal image from 22 feet (long throw) and the image is really bright on the low setting. This was a relief as I was a little concerned about light output.
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post #448 of 829
7/25/11 at 10:04am
Just center the image on the screen.

If you reset it and it isn't, would you leave it that way?
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post #449 of 829
7/25/11 at 10:11am
I was thinking I would shift the projector slightly. I know a tiny amount of horizontal lens shift will not distort the image perceptibly when my anamorphic lens is in place, but I'm being a little OCD on it so I can get it perfectly setup. I just thought if there was an easy way to find out how to reset the shift it would be helpful.
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post #450 of 829
7/25/11 at 10:39am
One can do a full reset and it will center I believe. Also there are sliders in the menu that read where it is vs center.
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