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post #661 of 832
I will start calibration tomorrow night or Saturday.

The unit does have bright corners though. Anyone's subside over time a little?
post #662 of 832
Impressions...

The bad first.

1. Focus across the lens is not "perfect"
2. The convergence feature could use a 1/8 pixel mode
3. CMS does not work at all for Saturation of any color / secondary color hue controls don't work
4. Using a combination of the color control and the working parts of the CMS to get 100% color as accurate as you can, the colors at other saturation levels are then off by a large amount
4. Iris is completely useless, even with a small bit of text on screen the iris is always full open
5. Gamma on my unit is very low at 1.95 average.
6. The unit does have bright corners
7. No motorized lens cover

Based on my posts above you would think I hate the Mitsubishi... But I don't...

The good.

1. The motion flow on true film is phenomenal, and by far the best I have ever seen. I will actually use it
2. The brightness is great for a SXRD, about 850 lumens calibrated
3. The shadow detail is very good above black level 1 or 17 depending on source
4. The overall picture quality is also extremely good
5. The picture even with the gamma at 1.95 still has good image depth
6. The saturation levels at 100% are very over saturated, BUT at all other levels of saturation 75% / 50% / 25% they are accurate if you don't lower the color control.
7. The image appears very sharp after convergence.
8. The black is good enough even without the "iris"
9. The unit is quiet in my setting
10. The image is very clean with no noticeable image noise.
11. For the price I paid, it is a great projector.


The super anal perfectionist in me still wants more, but it's a great projector that should keep me happy till 4K laser projectors.
post #663 of 832
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Impressions...

The bad first.

1. Focus across the lens is not "perfect"
2. The convergence feature could use a 1/8 pixel mode
3. CMS does not work at all for Saturation of any color / secondary color hue controls don't work
4. Using a combination of the color control and the working parts of the CMS to get 100% color as accurate as you can, the colors at other saturation levels are then off by a large amount
4. Iris is completely useless, even with a small bit of text on screen the iris is always full open
5. Gamma on my unit is very low at 1.95 average.
6. The unit does have bright corners
7. No motorized lens cover

Based on my posts above you would think I hate the Mitsubishi... But I don't...

The good.

1. The motion flow on true film is phenomenal, and by far the best I have ever seen. I will actually use it
2. The brightness is great for a SXRD, about 850 lumens calibrated
3. The shadow detail is very good above black level 1 or 17 depending on source
4. The overall picture quality is also extremely good
5. The picture even with the gamma at 1.95 still has good image depth
6. The saturation levels at 100% are very over saturated, BUT at all other levels of saturation 75% / 50% / 25% they are accurate if you don't lower the color control.
7. The image appears very sharp after convergence.
8. The black is good enough even without the "iris"
9. The unit is quiet in my setting
10. The image is very clean with no noticeable image noise.
11. For the price I paid, it is a great projector.


The super anal perfectionist in me still wants more, but it's a great projector that should keep me happy till 4K laser projectors.

So you like this one more than the Sony VPL-VW95ES?
post #664 of 832
@sowk...

that would be consistent with what i "see" here (although i didn't play with the cms*, i autocal with the mini)...

good recap... i remember you posting about "which one to get?" while everyone was awaiting the arrival of the new jvcs and sonys, since i was looking at the same time (and ended up going with the mitsu shortly thereafter)... just out of curiosity, which direction did you originally go?

* i thought the cms was supposed to "work" after the firmware upgrade? guess not...
post #665 of 832
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Originally Posted by richardyc View Post


So you like this one more than the Sony VPL-VW95ES?

No. The Sony VPL-VW95ES is a better machine.

The iris on the Sony is usable and nearly invisible during use.
the black levels are better because of this.
The colors are much much more accurate.
Gamma tracks correctly


Other then that though the overall image is similar.

I just didn't feel the Sony was worth the extra $$$ as it was not going to be a long term projector for me.
post #666 of 832
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

@sowk...

that would be consistent with what i "see" here (although i didn't play with the cms*, i autocal with the mini)...

good recap... i remember you posting about "which one to get?" while everyone was awaiting the arrival of the new jvcs and sonys, since i was looking at the same time (and ended up going with the mitsu shortly thereafter)... just out of curiosity, which direction did you originally go?

* i thought the cms was supposed to "work" after the firmware upgrade? guess not...

The Sony VPL-VW95ES
Then
The JVC X70
Then
The BenQ W7000
Now
The Mitsubishi HD9000C

I think I am done now for hopefully 1 1/2 years. But if something this winter perks my interest... Haha.
post #667 of 832
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post


The Sony VPL-VW95ES
Then
The JVC X70
Then
The BenQ W7000
Now
The Mitsubishi HD9000C

I think I am done now for hopefully 1 1/2 years. But if something this winter perks my interest... Haha.

So how would you rank them if cost was not considered and then how would you rank them in bang for buck
post #668 of 832
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Originally Posted by matthewa View Post


So how would you rank them if cost was not considered and then how would you rank them in bang for buck

Rank, If price no object in my opinion with a reasonable sized screen.

Sony > JVC > Mitsubishi > Benq

Rank, bang for the buck based on todays prices...

Mitsubishi > BenQ > Sony > JVC

*note: I am not a huge black level freak... As long as it doesn't distract I'm ok.
post #669 of 832
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Impressions...

The bad first.

1. Focus across the lens is not "perfect"
2. The convergence feature could use a 1/8 pixel mode
3. CMS does not work at all for Saturation of any color / secondary color hue controls don't work
4. Using a combination of the color control and the working parts of the CMS to get 100% color as accurate as you can, the colors at other saturation levels are then off by a large amount
4. Iris is completely useless, even with a small bit of text on screen the iris is always full open
5. Gamma on my unit is very low at 1.95 average.
6. The unit does have bright corners
7. No motorized lens cover

Based on my posts above you would think I hate the Mitsubishi... But I don't...

The good.

1. The motion flow on true film is phenomenal, and by far the best I have ever seen. I will actually use it
2. The brightness is great for a SXRD, about 850 lumens calibrated
3. The shadow detail is very good above black level 1 or 17 depending on source
4. The overall picture quality is also extremely good
5. The picture even with the gamma at 1.95 still has good image depth
6. The saturation levels at 100% are very over saturated, BUT at all other levels of saturation 75% / 50% / 25% they are accurate if you don't lower the color control.
7. The image appears very sharp after convergence.
8. The black is good enough even without the "iris"
9. The unit is quiet in my setting
10. The image is very clean with no noticeable image noise.
11. For the price I paid, it is a great projector.


The super anal perfectionist in me still wants more, but it's a great projector that should keep me happy till 4K laser projectors.

Can you please Post your Calibration Settings
I am curious to what you settled with..
I am aware everyones room is different but again
I am Very Intrested in your Level of Calibrating View
post #670 of 832
Just a quick note to say that after 26 days the hc9000d started blinking red and orange status messages. Failed logic board 1. Anyway it was replaced doa by the dealer.
post #671 of 832
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Originally Posted by opp man View Post


Can you please Post your Calibration Settings
I am curious to what you settled with..
I am aware everyones room is different but again
I am Very Intrested in your Level of Calibrating View

There is not much to work with so here are my settings...

All input devices are outputting 0-255 and no image enhancements.

Settings on the Mitsubishi...

Screen Menu:

Aspect Ratio: Standard


Input Menu:

Input: HDMI-1
HDMI Color Space: RGB or 4.4.4 depending on my source, (You can probably leave on Auto.)
HDMI Input: Enhanced (This has to be turned off then back on every time you startup the projector - broken firmware...)
Iris: Open


Setup Menu:

Lamp Mode: High


Picture 1 Menu:

Picture Mode: User1 (This mode is used for my Blu-Ray movies)
Contrast: 8 (9 if I have brightness at -2)
Brightness: 0 (-2 if I feel a movie is washed out due to the native low Gamma on the Mitsubishi *loses some shadow detail)
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Gamma Correction: Cinema
Setup Level: 7.5 IRE
Color Temp: User
- RED GAIN: 0
- GREEN GAIN: -51
- BLUE GAIN: -44
- RED OFFSET: 0
- GREEN OFFSET: 0
- BLUE OFFSET: 0
Cinema Filter: Movie
Frame Rate Conversion: True Film


Picture Mode: User2 (This mode is used for my Video Games & HTPC)
Contrast: 0
Brightness: 0
Color: 0
Tint: 0
Sharpness: 0
Gamma Correction: Cinema
Setup Level: 0 IRE
Color Temp: User
- RED GAIN: 0
- GREEN GAIN: -51
- BLUE GAIN: -44
- RED OFFSET: 0
- GREEN OFFSET: 0
- BLUE OFFSET: 0
Cinema Filter: Movie
Frame Rate Conversion: Off (For anything less then 60 frame per second) True Video (For anything steadily above 60 frames per second)


*lowering Color Control works good for bringing in Color Brightness Levels to a more taimed level, but throws off Color Saturation levels. Pick your poison... If you change color control set to about -8
post #672 of 832
I have the Mitsu 3D Emitter correctly connected to the Projector, as well as the Monster glasses, but they do not seems to connect to this Emitter...
- Anything special I should do ?

I am not using of the cables/emitter from the Monster Glasses Kits, assuming that only the glasses are necessary.

Any help will be appreciated.
Tks!
post #673 of 832
^^^

you need to use the ir receiver/rf emitter from the monster kit... the pj puts out an ir sync, not rf...

put the monster receiver (little rectangular thing) in front of the pj's ir emitter... hook up the rf emitter... away you go...
post #674 of 832
Thanks - Let me try and confirm !
post #675 of 832
^^^

it will work... mine does...
post #676 of 832
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

When you say CMS works like a charm... What does that that mean in detail?

Can you get near perfect REC 709 color?

If so, does it track at different saturation levels correctly?

Saturation levels are different then brightness levels.

If even close to "good" then I will be very happy!

When these originally came out the CMS was broken. Several of the CMS controls did nothing. Mits fixed the CMS on the projector and from my understanding, it is a fully functioning CMS, though I have not verified. The repair of the CMS is not a firmware update item. The projectors that were sold before this correction was made, had to go back to Mits for repair. It sounds like you may have one that was shipped before the correction was made and the provider never returned the projector for the correction. We have one of these in stock that has the CMS repair.
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post #677 of 832
glad everyone loves theres im moving and cant keep mine. I have one professionally calabrated with 400hours on bulb with box and 3d kit with 2 pairs of glasses . Pm me for price since the classifeds are down
post #678 of 832
I have read the HC9000 is a bright SXRD projector. Has anyone compared or had hands on experience to compare it with a Sony VW85?
post #679 of 832
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Originally Posted by Alan Winslow View Post

I have read the HC9000 is a bright SXRD projector. Has anyone compared or had hands on experience to compare it with a Sony VW85?

Hi Alan, how are you? Did you sell the Infocus SP8604 for a VW85? The HC9000 is about 150 to 200 calibrated best mode lumens brighter than the vW85. Give us a call if you would like to discuss. We have one of the updated HC9000's in stock.
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post #680 of 832
I have decided to keep the vw85.
I have been working with some gamma changes with my HTPC and the projector is definitely brighter now and was more a calibration issue that's remedied.
The VW85 does throw a nice image and will definitely work out.
Thanks SOWK for your help.
post #681 of 832
It's working now ! Thanks.

- Any specific setup recommendation for the best viewing in 3D ?

My setup is "default" now...didnt change anything, but the standard 3D setup.
post #682 of 832
Hey 9000 owners!

I'm in the market for a new projector. I have a few in my sights but have always been biased towards Mits - mainly because that's all I've owned and had great experience with them. Cant go with DLP because my wife is RBE sensitive. I would like to get some opinions from owners on whether my set-up would work well with this projector or not - specifically the brightness. When I plug my specs. into the projector calculator it indicates the picture may not be bright enough, but I'd like some opinions from those using the projector in real life.

My set-up
120" wide 2.35 AT screen 1.2 gain
Throw distance = 17'
Completely light controlled dedicated theater
Black fabric screen wall, black ceiling, deep burgundy walls
Seating distances: first Row ~12 feet; second row ~ 18 feet

Would the projector throw a bright enough picture for 2D? for 3D? for a great theater experience?
post #683 of 832
Bright enough for 2D? Yes.
Bright enough for 3D? Don't know.
Great theater experience? Yes.

Its a great projector for the price.
post #684 of 832
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Originally Posted by SOWK View Post

Bright enough for 2D? Yes.
Bright enough for 3D? Don't know.
Great theater experience? Yes.
Its a great projector for the price.

Especially at the current price. smile.gif
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post #685 of 832
My VPL-VW50 is on its last breath. I'm still trying to find the perfect replacement. I do a lot of gaming so it rules out the JVCs and Epsons. I'm thinking either the HC9000D or sony VPL-HW30ES both can be found for about the same price. The HW95 would be nice but it is to expensive for what you get with it. I'm currently leaning towards the Mits. I'm after the best 2d performance with low input lag. I don't even think I'll use 3D or not very offten. Is there any other projectors that have super awsome 2D and low input lag that I should look at?

Does the Mits have a discrete ON OFF IR code?
post #686 of 832
About to pull the trigger on this projector and planning to do 2.35 CIH screen. How many of you use the zoom mode on it to achieve this 2.35? Do you have a big loss of brightness?

Or did you use an anamorphic lens? If so, which and how much?
post #687 of 832
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Originally Posted by gadgetfreaky View Post

About to pull the trigger on this projector and planning to do 2.35 CIH screen. How many of you use the zoom mode on it to achieve this 2.35? Do you have a big loss of brightness?
Or did you use an anamorphic lens? If so, which and how much?

Yes and no, but let me make sure you understand what happens. The projector is native 16:9 as most are now. Whatever the light output you have is based on that. When you watch scope, you only use the middle of the panel obviously. And that means only that portion of the pixels, and the light output...roughly 25% less than with the full panel. But, when you zoom, you are taking the image and making it larger, which ultimately decreases the foot-lamberts off the screen, even though the light from the projector is not less. So ultimately that yields an even larger perceived drop.

Whether it is an issue depends on all your specs (room, size, etc...) and personal preference.
post #688 of 832
I'm really enjoying this projector. I only have one complaint. The convergence adjustment needs finer controls, I'm either on one side of the green or the other. Is this a hardware limitation or a firmware thing?
post #689 of 832
Its totally a firmware thing. But adjusting to hide the misconvergence, and all less than one full pixel convergence adjutments by software or firmware adjustments simply hide the misconvergence , may make other things worse. Any viewer no matter how unsophisticated can see misconvergence and eliminating it to his peepers when perched two inches from the screen is the only thing such a viewer cares about and the set manuafacturers have learned to keep them happy by letting the customers hide misconvergence with most thinking they through the adjustments have really converged things. Be careful what you wish for if you end up adjusingt things fractionally between say .3 and .4 pixels. Far better to leave a tad misconvergence if you can't see it from your viewing position. I have discussed this many many times before in many threads and I am not going to engage in another discussion here. Its complex. If you want to discuss just give me a call.

I have used and reviewed the HC9000D. Its a nice machine, enjoy, and don't fret about a small amount of residual misconvergence when viewed up close.
post #690 of 832
Thanks. The only reason why I even ask about it is because I watch many foreign films with subtitles. The red fringing is noticeable in the subtitles from viewing distance. Not a deal breaker as I'm enjoying this projector more than I should. I've already put 100 hours on it in the few weeks that I've had it.

I'm very curious on how software aligns/hides convergence since it is a physical attribute.
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