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It has happended.. Watched my last 'NEW' HD-DVD

post #1 of 24
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Like many of us I purchased a large number of HD-DVD's at close out when the format closing was announced...

Well after close to two and a half years I have watched my last ""NEW"" shrink wrapped removed HD-DVD. {Talk To Me}

While some resellers still have a few disc's that I would like to add to my collection.... which I might order over the next few weeks/months if they are still for sale.

At one time I had close to 30 disc's that were still shrink wrapped unwatched purchased at close out!

But for the most part have moved on to the 'BLU' side of town... as the number of HD-DVD only HiDef releases have been reduced each month.

It has been a fun ride and rode the "DeadLands" train.. but did not want to take the chance of the "R" disc not playing on my drives as the only "HD-DVDR" disc [a questionable S.Wars Disc from HBO] that I had ever tried would not play on my systems.

Part of me hopes for two things to happen:
(1) Would love to see Netflix/Amazon software for video streaming to show up as rumored at one time being tested.
(2) If {I think that this will happen in time!} the CHDVD machines ever reach the USA that they are able to play our HD-DVD movie collection of disc's.

avid
post #2 of 24
My HD-DVD 'to watch' pile is still huge so I'll still keep at it for a while. Haven't bought new titles in close to a year though, and most of my high-def viewing is now through HD cable or Blu-ray. HD-DVD is still close to my heart and I ain't getting rid of my discs (or replacing them with BD counterparts unless it's a noticeable improvement) but it's now mostly a crutch for nights when my new shiny BD purposes aren't calling my name to watch (which is rare).
post #3 of 24
I don't get enough time to watch movies, so I still have a bunch of unopened HD DVDs, probably over 30. I also just bought seven more on Ebay.
post #4 of 24
i have about ~25 unopened hd dvds, 12 just recently purchased as i didn't have them yet. as i'm not a frequent movie watcher, these should last a loonnng time. been watching mostly blu the last 2 years when i do watch a movie.

a few times a year, i do play hd dvds on my 3 players just to keep them limbered up. but i rarely watch them.
post #5 of 24
I'm probably there too. I just bought (for $3.50 new) and ripped to my server End of Days (how fitting ). I have several other BD's to watch before End of Days but I suspect it's the end of the HD DVD line. I'm glad BD won (since it technically superior) and the war didn't last long enough to doom HD video, but I will always have a soft spot for HD DVD.

I suspect judging by the (lack of) traffic on this forum it's almost End of Days for it too.
post #6 of 24
Wow, congratulations on completing your list. I counted last week, and I still have 71 titles that have not been opened yet or were bought used that I haven't watched!!! 37 of the titles are movies that I've seen before on dvd or on tv or in the theater, and wanted to have in my collection, but 34 are movies that I own that and have never seen before. Some I am going to be hard pressed to watch, such as the Watcher and Babel, just as there are some I'm really looking forward to watching, such as The Sting and The Fugitive.

I decided that I owned way too many Blu-rays that I paid MUCH more for and I needed to clean them up. It's one thing to buy 17 movies for $25 on HD DVD and have yet to watch them, but to pay $25 on a single Blu-ray and have it sitting shrink wrapped seemed wrong! So I have worked down from 40 Blu-rays that I haven't watched, and am now down to the final 14. These are taking much longer now because I am currently half-way through season 2 of Battlestar Galactica Complete, and still have seasons 1-3 of Star Trek TOS, and Firefly to watch. After I watch those I will be down to 7 blu-rays, all of which are ones to watch with my wife. But I will get back to the HD DVD discs soon!!!
post #7 of 24
I still actively buy HD DVDs from amazon for around $3-4 each. There are a bunch of movies I have not seen yet, and with the prices so cheap it is fun to build a collection.
post #8 of 24
I haven't even counted how many HD-DVDs I have altogether, but it's at least 200 (I have EVERY title from Universal, and most Paramounts- there's a few Warner titles that have been hard to find at a low price, and I don't have too many independent studio movies or music discs but do have most of the porn titles!) and so far I've only watched about 10 of them. I've been picking up EVERY title I can get for $5 or less, I paid a little more for ones I really wanted but some of the under $5 titles I have are ones I've already seen and wouldn't own otherwise if it wasn't for the sake of collecting a dead format. I started buying these right after the format war ended- I got a huge shipment of discs last year from an Amazon seller costing an average of $3 each (with no tax or shipping!) and I didn't even have an HDTV until January this year. I got a Toshiba A3 player from Costco right after the format was killed for $80 including a total of 7 discs with it, and picked up an RCA-badged A1 later for a spare.

I've opened all my HD-DVDs as soon as I've received them, since I like to check out what's inside right away but also to make sure the disc isn't damaged or missing. I got a copy of "Caddyshack" from Inetvideo that turned out to have no disc inside, but since I caught it right away they sent me a replacement copy with no problem.

I also have EVERY CED videodisc title ever released, and I've watched a number of those (they're still watchable on my new HDTV, though it's a little silly watching pan and scan transfers with black bars on the sides!)
post #9 of 24
I obtained my aunt's CED player several years ago with some titles included, but no longer have it. That was a cool format. Anyway, I have about 10 red titles and 3 blu. I'm way behind, so there's yet a bunch of HD DVDs I need to get.
post #10 of 24
The ones I have that I value I convert to BD folder structure with Clown BD and leave them on the hard drive. When the price of dual layer BD blanks comes down I'll burn them to disc and just leave the copy in the HDDVD case with the original disc.

My Toshiba A1 still gets good use by a friend who uses it mainly as a region 1 dvd player.
post #11 of 24
I probably have about 50 unopened of the over 220 I bought at firesale prices. Don't see any need to get rid of HD DVDs since they are HD no matter what color box they're in. The main bad thing about not viewing them long ago is occasionally one freezes, especially the combos. But a little soap and water often takes care of that.

I have about 10 BDs but it'll be a lonnnnngggg time before I make it to half the number of HD DVDs in the collection.
post #12 of 24
[quote=Mr.D;18755543]The ones I have that I value I convert to BD folder structure with Clown BD and leave them on the hard drive. When the price of dual layer BD blanks comes down I'll burn them to disc and just leave the copy in the HDDVD case with the original disc.

My Toshiba A1 still gets good use by a friend who uses it mainly as a region 1 dvd player.[/Q]

Most HDDVD will fit on a Single BD. If not a very small about of compression would make it fit. I did over 50 with BDRebuilder.
post #13 of 24
I have about 40 titles and 10 I haven't watched yet and are still in shrink wrap. Since I only have one player, the A3 and two BD players, the PS3 and the Oppo BDP-80 I have taken a different approach to archiving.

I am ripping all the HD-DVD's and encoding down to fit either a single or dual layer DVD using X264 and reasonable compression settings so to maintain as much as the original video quality as I can. I also retain the original DD+ or TrueHD audio and author the resultant file to a DVD in AVCHD format. This format can be played by both the PS3 and the Oppo. I then insert the disc into the same box as the HD-DVD for storage.

The quality looks pretty good to me and I am guessing only on careful AB comparison would it be easy to spot any image degradation and of course I am retaining the original audio. The encoded videos with audio are ranging from 4.5G to 7G in size (I am only doing one pass CRF encoding since I don't need to hit a specific size so long as it will fit on a DL disc) which is fine for me.
post #14 of 24
I just peeled the shrink wrap off of An American Werewolf in London last night after purchasing it for $3.99 at Newbury Comics. There are a couple more that I'd like to snag at that price, but the selection is dwindling.
post #15 of 24
I have one left I haven't opened - that is Firewall. Having seen it already there's been no rush but in the production line for AVCHD conversion so I can watch it in 1080P. Just completed converting The Hulk, Bone Collector, 300, Bulletproof and Spy Game.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by lchiu7 View Post

I have one left I haven't opened - that is Firewall. Having seen it already there's been no rush but in the production line for AVCHD conversion so I can watch it in 1080P. Just completed converting The Hulk, Bone Collector, 300, Bulletproof and Spy Game.

What are you using for AVCHD conversion, and do you keep lossless sound if present?
post #17 of 24
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Originally Posted by hernanu View Post

What are you using for AVCHD conversion, and do you keep lossless sound if present?

My workflow is reasonably simple

1. Rip the HD-DVD using dumphd which calls aacskeys to decrypt the keys. Since there are no new AACS keys for HD-DVD you don't need to use anydvd

2. Run tonmt (which is a shell for eac3to and tsmuxer) to extract the video and audio track of choice. I always grab the TrueHD track if it's there or else the DD+ one

3. Now have got a large file called .ts

4. Run x264 to encode to a smaller size. I use this command line rather than a GUI since it's the same every time apart from the movie name

start /belownormal /b /w x264.exe --profile main --level 4.1 --preset fast --crf 21 --thread-input --keyint 24 --min-keyint 2 --ref 3 --ipratio 1.1 --pbratio 1.1 --rc-lookahead 40 --me dia --subme 2 --partitions p8x8,b8x8,i4x4,p4x4 --trellis 0 --weightp 0 --output %1.264 %2.avs

where %1 is the prefix of the output file and %2 the prefix of the avisynth script. This was suggested to me on the doom9 forum and produces good results. Note you don't need --weightp 0 if your target player is not an Oppo BDP-80 since that player currently does not handle weighted p frames (the 83 does as does the PS3).

To save time and since I don't mind about how much space the output file takes so long as it will in a DVD9 I use one pass constant quality 21. This produces a video file from 3-6GB in size depending on the movie length and profile of the video.

5. Then mux that output file .264 with the best audio that is available - either TrueHD or DD+ using tsmuxer and choose the AVCHD output format

6. Burn the contents of the AVCHD folder (usually a BDMV and CERTIFICATE) folder) to a DVD using Nero (Imgburn will work also apparently) making sure it's burnt as UDF 2.5
post #18 of 24
I just ordered 50 new hd dvd's from amazon for under 200 bucks! that would buy you 8 to 10 blu rays from walmart
post #19 of 24
Reply to making AVCHDs from HdDVDs. Just use MultiAVCHD. It lets you import the raw evo files. You do need to decrept to get them onto you hard drive. No lossless audio as that is not part of the AVCHD spec.

I was doing that until I starting using a HTPC and now just convert to mkv with lossless.
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by lchiu7 View Post

My workflow is reasonably simple


5. Then mux that output file .264 with the best audio that is available - either TrueHD or DD+ using tsmuxer and choose the AVCHD output format

6. Burn the contents of the AVCHD folder (usually a BDMV and CERTIFICATE) folder) to a DVD using Nero (Imgburn will work also apparently) making sure it's burnt as UDF 2.5

What player do you use that plays lossless in AVCHD as it not part of the spec. My sony at first only did DD as that is the spec then a firmware update made DTS work but have not tried a lossless disc in a long time.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

What player do you use that plays lossless in AVCHD as it not part of the spec. My sony at first only did DD as that is the spec then a firmware update made DTS work but have not tried a lossless disc in a long time.

Both the PS3 and the Oppo BDP-80 do it fine. The Oppo BDP-83 can also as it's a more upmarket version but I don't one to check.
post #22 of 24
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Originally Posted by CalgaryCowboy View Post

Reply to making AVCHDs from HdDVDs. Just use MultiAVCHD. It lets you import the raw evo files. You do need to decrept to get them onto you hard drive. No lossless audio as that is not part of the AVCHD spec.

I was doing that until I starting using a HTPC and now just convert to mkv with lossless.

MultiAVCHD is a nice program but for just making one title on a disc, I prefer to do what I described. Anyway it is just a shell for eac3to and tsmuxer and I have my workflow set so that it's faster than using all the GUI's.
post #23 of 24
I've been watching my HD DVDs lately, I still have several dozen left to watch. I'm working through them at one a week.
post #24 of 24
I just counted last weekend. I've got 109 I haven't watched yet.
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