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post #211 of 361
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Originally Posted by mrdjman View Post

No matter what order I power things on, the signal coming from the 1010 drops (the speaker diagram goes away, the HDMI light goes out, etc). It's random. Doesn't always happen. Sometimes happens more than once. Sometimes comes back on and stays, sometimes goes in/out intermittently.

I have done the system reset. I have reset the HDMI stuff, etc., still happens, and it is annoying... Doesn't matter whether it's Dish, PS3, DVD player...whatever...

Hmmm ........

Well, for a beginning, seeings you're seriously involved with the KDL-xxV5100 audio drop out issue, and not knowing if these might be related(FW fix or not applied to the display) and reading that it happens viewing all connected devices ..............

As both of the following two settings default to "On" and may well be/could be/maybe I'm full of sh*t related to your problem, go to GUI > HDMI and change both "CTRL:HDMI" and "ARC" to "Off"

Hopefully that should lessen any HDMI communications/compatibility/handshake issues you might be experiencing there. At least on the receivers side/end. ie: losing the speaker diagram and getting the _ _ _ _ _ on the receivers display indicates it's loosing the source signal(whether or not that IS what's happening, that's what's being indicated)
post #212 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post

Hmmm ........

Well, for a beginning, seeings you're seriously involved with the KDL-xxV5100 audio drop out issue, and not knowing if these might be related(FW fix or not applied to the display) and reading that it happens viewing all connected devices ..............

As both of the following two settings default to "On" and may well be/could be/maybe I'm full of sh*t related to your problem, go to GUI > HDMI and change both "CTRL:HDMI" and "ARC" to "Off"

Hopefully that should lessen any HDMI communications/compatibility/handshake issues you might be experiencing there. At least on the receivers side/end. ie: losing the speaker diagram and getting the _ _ _ _ _ on the receivers display indicates it's loosing the signal(whether or not that IS what's happening, that's what's being indicated)

The above assumes by me you are connected HDMI all the way, no S/PDIF optical audio or Coax audio
post #213 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post

The above assumes by me you are connected HDMI all the way, no S/PDIF optical audio or Coax audio

That is a valid assumption. I know for certain that HDMI control is 'OFF' but I will check the other one when I get home. Yes, I'm knee-deep in the KDL audio drop out thing, but fortunately, the fix is out there. That shouldn't have an effect on this issue though. I wish it were that simple... I have had all of the components connected directly to the KDL, and they worked fine. I have used the same HDMI cables, and even swapped them around for good measure.

The only 'foreign' thing entered into the mix has been the 1010...so i'm 99% convinced that it's an issue with it, as opposed to other things.

It very well could be something as simple as a setting incorrectly set (i'm no rocket scientist with these, i've discovered).

Thanks for the assistance!
post #214 of 361
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Originally Posted by mrdjman View Post

It very well could be something as simple as a setting incorrectly set (i'm no rocket scientist with these, i've discovered).

One can hope it's as simple as a setting.

And I'm surely not allowed near rockets. That's a given.

BTW, on any of the recorded programs you have on the 722, is this "skip/drop' recorded into the program also? ie: playback of a recorded program contains within it these skips/drops (I believe you know where I'm heading by asking this, but it deserves asking nonetheless. I did a rather quick pass through of your posts and don't remember it posed to you in one way or another)
post #215 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post
One can hope it's as simple as a setting.

And I'm surely not allowed near rockets. That's a given.

BTW, on any of the recorded programs you have on the 722, is this "skip/drop' recorded into the program also? ie: playback of a recorded program contains within it these skips/drops (I believe you know where I'm heading by asking this, but it deserves asking nonetheless. I did a rather quick pass through of your posts and don't remember it posed to you in one way or another)
Yeah - I thought about that, also...and the answer is no. If/when the signal drops on 'live tv', I can rewind and see what I missed. I've never noticed that it is actually recorded as a drop - if the signal disappears while watching a recording, again, when it finally comes back, I can rewind, and see what I missed.


I'm somewhat used to troubleshooting things, as I'm in the IT field...so I do try to 'narrow it down' to whichever the offending component is...and in this case...it pretty much points to the 1010.

I do have the audio dropout firmware fix installed on the KDL - I was the 'bench tester' for it, so I've had it months longer than anyone else. That drop out is audio only, and happened even before the 1010, so it's unrelated (but just as annoying ).

UPDATE: Well then....that is totally odd. I know without a doubt that the HDMI control was OFF...but when I checked tonite...it was ON. ARC was 'Not Used' - so I turned the HDMI control off AGAIN...and i'll give it a go for a day or so...
post #216 of 361
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Originally Posted by mrdjman View Post

UPDATE: Well then....that is totally odd. I know without a doubt that the HDMI control was OFF...but when I checked tonite...it was ON. ARC was 'Not Used' - so I turned the HDMI control off AGAIN...and i'll give it a go for a day or so...

I just looked at the 52V5100(your's right?) manual. Check that Control for HDMI is disabled there too.

And another. I know it's been brought up w/o a specific or definitive answer. By chance do you have the 722 connected via other than the DN1010's rear HDMI IN 3 port? Not knowing why the manual in 2-3 places specifies this particular port for TV/TV audio makes me wonder now with you if their reasons for specifying are related. Sadly, I've been known to apply more gray matter than is necessary at these types of things too.
post #217 of 361
Yup, that's mine. It was off on the TV, and I know that I had turned it off on the 1010, as well. The only thing I can think is when I had to reset all of the HDMI after installing the audio drop out fix on the TV..that it reset the HDMI control on the 1010 to ON.

Yes - my 722 is on HDMI 3 (not quite sure why that is important, but I figured why tempt fate??

Something tells me that my issue will now be resolved, all for an over-looked or reset setting.

I appreciate you re-directing my attention to something that should have been obvious. Sometimes, those are the biggest issues...
post #218 of 361
Hey guys, total newb here so I might need to be schooled on the basics of AVR for me to understand the answer I get. I have the 1010 sitting here new-in-box unopened which I got for a VERY good deal paired with a BDP-570. I can't decide after reading the reviews/issues in this thread to keep it, but if I do, I need to pair it with some speakers. I've been doing some shopping and have kind of honed in on the Jamo S606 set from Vann's (cant post link, too new) I'd also get some satellites for the 2 rear channels as they will be ceiling mounted. My question is- these speakers are 6ohm speakers....will the 1010 be able to handle them? I'll admit, I have no clue about the whole 6ohm vs 8ohm specification or even what it means.(flame away!) What are the consequences of using them? I'd love to learn what that means in layman's terms. I have all Sony HDMI components for this setup, so it would *seem* to be the seamless route to go. Thanks for any help/advice!
post #219 of 361
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Originally Posted by greensled View Post

I have the 1010 sitting here new-in-box unopened which I got for a VERY good deal paired with a BDP-570.

Lemme guess. The STRDN1010BN3 deal from Buy? I bought a few too. I've got two brothers that will be happy upon their birthdays later this year. And currently a spare set maybe for a sister, if needed. Bummed I bought my DN1010 and S570 earlier as individual pieces and at a much greater outlay. Eh, that's life.

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Originally Posted by greensled View Post

My question is- these speakers are 6ohm speakers....will the 1010 be able to handle them? I'll admit, I have no clue about the whole 6ohm vs 8ohm specification or even what it means.(flame away!) What are the consequences of using them?

Upfront. This isn't gospel what I'll preach here. It is only representative of my, MY, understanding of what you ask. And my short version in answering. Should you choose to use the Jamo's mentioned? That's entirely your decision. That you recognize and ask, well, pat yourself on the back for that one. Well deserved.

My DN1010 runs warm in standby. Others state theirs runs cool. But "cool' relative to what leaves much to MY imagination. In operation and at a volume my neighbors might object, again IMO, it runs hot. My past Sony receivers ran warm to hot also. Granted, my last Sony ran a bank of darlington output transistors and so ran even hotter. Darlingtons. Rare, I know. But they were my sole reason of purchase. While I haven't yet seen a DN1010 service manual I'm relatively positive the DN1010 doesn't run darlingtons. A quick peek inside would seem to confirm this as I notice less heatsinking.

Why mention heat output you might ask? Because when you lower the resistive load(speakers ohm rating) placed against the amps output section you're effectively raising the current/amp loading "inside' the output section. Thus, the lower the speakers ohm rating vs what spec is(8ohm), it goes the greater stress you'll be placing on internal components, and thus the greater demands on being able to dissipate this heat to maintain stability. And more importantly, operation. Remember, heat kills. So does raising the amp/current influx beyond spec.

Um, the dB ratings on the Jamo S 606 HCS 3 speaker set. This dB rating(not to be confused with a frequencies "dB Level") is relative to how responsive a given "speaker' is to it's input. Personally, were I going to use them I'd prefer a higher dB rating. 89, with 90 or better being preferable IMO. And if I did choose to use them I for sure would set my 3/2 speakers to "Small' and get a powered sub to redirect the LFE channel power needed while driving away from the 3/2 speakers amp section. Thus further lowering the component stress(heat) of the amps output section.

Moral. At low volume levels I wouldn't imagine you to have any problems assuming good ventilation. At higher levels, as I said, you'll be stressing the components beyond tolerable design spec and it very well will answer back sooner rather than later by exacting it's toll on the DN1010. Biting you in the wallet. So be conscious of your listening habits before/while choosing these.

And for the life of me I don't fathom why they have such mis-matched response dB's between the provided speakers in that set. The response dB is logarithmic. Mind you I'm not degrading Jamo in saying so either, only their choices used here in this particular set.

Tough call. Would I? No. Not these.

Budgetary constraints? Start with decent 8ohm L and R's and build from there as money allows.
post #220 of 361
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Originally Posted by mrdjman View Post

Yup, that's mine. It was off on the TV, and I know that I had turned it off on the 1010, as well. The only thing I can think is when I had to reset all of the HDMI after installing the audio drop out fix on the TV..that it reset the HDMI control on the 1010 to ON.

Yes - my 722 is on HDMI 3 (not quite sure why that is important, but I figured why tempt fate??

Something tells me that my issue will now be resolved, all for an over-looked or reset setting.

I appreciate you re-directing my attention to something that should have been obvious. Sometimes, those are the biggest issues...

I have my 722 in HDMI 2 and it works fine. I figured I'd rather have the blu-ray in port 3.
post #221 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post

Um, the dB ratings on the Jamo S 606 HCS 3 speaker set. This dB rating(not to be confused with a frequencies "dB Level") is relative to how responsive a given "speaker' is to it's input. Personally, were I going to use them I'd prefer a higher dB rating. 89, with 90 or better being preferable IMO. And if I did choose to use them I for sure would set my 3/2 speakers to "Small' and get a powered sub to redirect the LFE channel power needed while driving away from the 3/2 speakers amp section. Thus further lowering the component stress(heat) of the amps output section.

That was said in relation to the referenced Jamo as being 6ohm speakers. And, unfortunately now in hind sight, referencing my own 3/2.1 speakers.
post #222 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post

Lemme guess. The STRDN1010BN3 deal from Buy? I bought a few too. I've got two brothers that will be happy upon their birthdays later this year. And currently a spare set maybe for a sister, if needed. Bummed I bought my DN1010 and S570 earlier as individual pieces and at a much greater outlay. Eh, that's life.
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lol.. I jumped on that deal too! Funny thing is I knew I wanted this receiver months ago when I helped my buddy set his up so I checked everyday for the price to drop and sure enough it dropped. Plus a free blu-ray! We paid half what my buddy did without the blu-ray.
post #223 of 361
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Originally Posted by - wardog - View Post

Budgetary constraints? Start with decent 8ohm L and R's and build from there as money allows.

I don't know how you might feel about NewEgg but you can put together a decent Polk front stage consisting of pair of Monitor50's, a CS10 center, and a PSW10 sub for ~$375 shipped.

Or replace the Monitor50's above with the Monitor60's for ~$60 more.

Black or cherry finish.
post #224 of 361
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Originally Posted by tezzmin View Post

lol..

.... and sure enough it dropped. Plus a free blu-ray! We paid half what my buddy did without the blu-ray.

I'll say this. You really know how to hurt a guy.
post #225 of 361
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Originally Posted by tezzmin View Post

lol.. I jumped on that deal too! Funny thing is I knew I wanted this receiver months ago when I helped my buddy set his up so I checked everyday for the price to drop and sure enough it dropped. Plus a free blu-ray! We paid half what my buddy did without the blu-ray.

Just for giggles (and if you don't mind my asking) what'd ya pay? I got a great deal from Amazon a coupla months ago (alas, no free Blu Ray)...
post #226 of 361
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Originally Posted by mrdjman View Post

Just for giggles (and if you don't mind my asking) what'd ya pay? I got a great deal from Amazon a coupla months ago (alas, no free Blu Ray)...

I sent ya a PM because I am not sure if this site likes us talking price.
post #227 of 361
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Originally Posted by tezzmin View Post

I sent ya a PM because I am not sure if this site likes us talking price.

I don't think it violates any rules here that I can find in the FAQ's or Ten Commandments. There are plenty of posts/threads where pricing and product links reside side by side.

It was a one time, get it now at this price, or forget it deal. And hasn't been repeated that I know of.

3 cost me $1000.00. That was three DN1010's and three S570's. And almost one marriage as she was the one who accepted them at the door while I was gone at work.
post #228 of 361
My wife let me buy "ONE" because she was sick of the sound dropping from my Onkyo. I tried watching TV without a receiver but it just isn't the same.
post #229 of 361
Fortunately, no one could say 'boo' about what I spent because I had won a 4-wheeler ATV from a local radio station, that I then sold back to the dealership for $. Found money - the best kind

Now, If I could just win the mega-millions....
post #230 of 361
Well...it would seem that my oversight was the issue - thank you, wardog, for pointing it out. The 1010 performed quite well over the weekend, and not one signal drop. I almost actually even *like* it...

I gotta say - these forums are a huge help, and even if people think their questions are 'stupid'...no one makes them feel as though they are (at least, in my experience...and I think i've asked my share of them...lol).

Thanks again to all!
post #231 of 361
So here's a question: Is it possible to adjust individual speaker levels without having to go into GUI mode? So far, I've not been able to use a calibration disc to adjust levels because of the way the GUI menu works (I won't even get into the fact that the receiver's own test tones and channel level adjustments are in different sub-menu areas; the GUI is, for me so far, the one downside to this receiver).
post #232 of 361
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Originally Posted by gbeenie View Post

So here's a question: Is it possible to adjust individual speaker levels without having to go into GUI mode?.

There sure is. And it's my preferred method over the on-screen GUI. The below will have the receivers display itself display the adjustment/setting options.

Press "GUI MODE" until the receiver temporarily displays "Menu Off" , then press "AMP"(directly below Power) and then the bluish oblong "Menu". Done properly you'll see "Auto Cal" displayed

To navigate using the remote is pretty straight forward in this mode. Use the arrows Up, Down, Left, Right, and the round + button. Left arrow or "Return/Exit" takes you back to the previous, + acts as Enter/Select.

Earlier here in this thread I posted a printable menu of the settings that I use for just this cause. Just copy it, paste into notepad or other and print.
post #233 of 361
Duh. Sorry.

And to exit this "non-GUI' mode simply press "Menu".
post #234 of 361
Did anyone else miss the Masters Golf Tournament on ESPN 3D? I have a DirecTV HR21, DN1010 and Panasonic 54VT25. The DirecTV box decided the TV couldn't do 720p 3D. Tried a replacement HR21 with the same problem. Took the DN1010 out of the HDMI path and 3D played on the TV. Discovered the DN1010 supports 5 3D formats. Unfortunately, the format used by ESPN 3D for the Masters (probably, 720p side by side) is not supported in the DN1010; very disappointed with Sony.
post #235 of 361
Watched Masters on ESPN3D through DN1010 w/ no prob
post #236 of 361
Remember now I did have to go to menu on TWC Samsung cable box + turn on 1080i
post #237 of 361
Auto-calibration question: What is the best orientation for the mic? I assume pointing straight upward, but the illustration in the manual is too small to tell for sure.
post #238 of 361
I would assume straight up. It looks like its on a tripod in the diagram pointing up at ear level. I set mine on the back of the couch facing up. I also have a question myself... would I be able to run a 2ch power amp off the cd/sacd pre-outs for music only? Also does this receiver actually produce 110WPC, cause it sounds a little underpowered @ what it's rated.
post #239 of 361
Here's a mind boggler, who here has auto calibrated the 1010 and found one of the speakers out of phase even connectected properly to the speaker & reciever. I have moved my front left speaker to the front right and sofourth. It still said out of phase on the front left ruling out mis-wiring on the internals of the speaker itself. I have triple checked the speaker wire being connected properly and its correct. Now is my front left actually out of phase or is it the reciever. Oh, also I have reversed the polarity of the speaker and it said it was in phase...so is the reciever correct or incorrect when I put the speaker wire + to-, - to + when common sense says the opposite.
post #240 of 361
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Originally Posted by camino0341 View Post
Here's a mind boggler, who here has auto calibrated the 1010 and found one of the speakers out of phase.....
I'm no expert but if I were to guess I'd say room geometry and or room acoustics is probably to blame/causing this.

I assume you repeated this with the mic in the same position? Try repeated tests, moving the mic for each test and see if you can duplicate this.

And yes. The mic should be facing the ceiling and should preferably not be resting on anything large or otherwise sonically obtrusive that might disturb the acoustical testing while auto-calibrating.
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