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2.1 vs 3.1?

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hi there folks!

I am putting in a very basic sound system in my tv room. I primarily watch sports, normal TV and a movie here and there.

I'm looking for input as to whether it will be worth it to add a center channel speaker to a 2.1 set-up. The room involved is small and I simply can't do 5.1.

I have a pioneer 920k receiver. I am looking into 2 entry level tower speakers for the L/R with a small subwoofer.

I do have a blue-ray player.

Will it be worth it adding the center speaker in a small room? Will it help with the voice clarity? i'm not sure what dolby will do given this isn't a standard configuration.

Any help/opinions are welcome, my thanks!

K
post #2 of 9
In my opinion....NO. Most of today's wimpy centers are easily drowned out by any decent pair of tower speakers. If you are not going to run 5.1 using four small satellites/bookshelf speakers and a center you are problably better of just using 2.0 stereo for your movies and music.
post #3 of 9
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Originally Posted by diamonddelts View Post

In my opinion....NO. Most of today's wimpy centers are easily drowned out by any decent pair of tower speakers. If you are not going to run 5.1 using four small satellites/bookshelf speakers and a center you are problably better of just using 2.0 stereo for your movies and music.

It depends IMO. If we are talking a set of really nice towers paired with a center with 4.5" speakers then I agree that it wont sound good at all. However for myself I am using two Infinity Primus 162's as my fronts and plan to add the PC350 as its quite a nice massive center when I can to my office setup.

I dont notice a huge lack of vocals when watching movies from my computer through my Denon 1610, but there is a discernable difference between my office setup and my bedroom (which has a center). The bedroom is a simple 3 channel setup (Polk R50's as fronts and CS1 as center) and the center does make a difference, even if its only being used mostly for HDTV and not movies.

What set of towers are you looking at, what center, and what size room are we talking? These pieces of info will help us give you better info. A image of your layout would be most helpful as well.
post #4 of 9
if you were a heavy movie watcher, than the 3.1 would have definite advantages. For normal TV, which is stereo anyway, a 2.1 setup will do fine.

I have had a stereo system on a secondary TV setup for many years and never had a problem with dialog, but it is a smaller room and the stereo soundstage works fine. We tried a similar system on my sister's setup in her open living room and the addition of the center channel was a huge improvement.

Experiment....start with the 2.1 setup and IF there is a problem with voices and dialog, then try the extra speaker.
post #5 of 9
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Originally Posted by EndersShadow View Post

It depends IMO. If we are talking a set of really nice towers paired with a center with 4.5" speakers then I agree that it wont sound good at all. However for myself I am using two Infinity Primus 162's as my fronts and plan to add the PC350 as its quite a nice massive center when I can to my office setup.

I dont notice a huge lack of vocals when watching movies from my computer through my Denon 1610, but there is a discernable difference between my office setup and my bedroom (which has a center). The bedroom is a simple 3 channel setup (Polk R50's as fronts and CS1 as center) and the center does make a difference, even if its only being used mostly for HDTV and not movies.

What set of towers are you looking at, what center, and what size room are we talking? These pieces of info will help us give you better info. A image of your layout would be most helpful as well.


Hmm. I've owned over 10 centers within the last two years along with various tower speaker setups. And none of the conventional centers with twin 5"-6" woofers paired with a 1" dome tweeter center made any difference in my setups. The only centers I've ever heard that actually did make a discernable difference were two custom centers I built. One with with a 1" dome tweeter, 5" mid, and two 10" woofers. The second has a 3" horn tweeter, 6" mid, and two 12"s. The second center is by far my favorite and it can easily fill up an medium sized room on it's own at moderate volume.

Most of these smaller centers just don't get it done in my opinion. But to each his own.
post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
1st, thanks for everyone's thoughts.

I literally started looking over the weekend so i haven't really narrowed it down in terms of the towers I will get. I have $300 per unit to spend so I'm thinking I should end up with decent units as long as I do my homework.

The room I'm putting them is weird, it's 12 x 13 with a vaulted ceiling. we only have one wall we can put everything on due to doorways and the fact it is connected to the dining room.

So I can't do 5.1 due to the fact the rears would be withing feet of our heads, just too close. I was thinking a 2 towers to start to provide a "bigger" sound for the room with adding the woofer/center if needed.
post #7 of 9
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Originally Posted by Kulaidius View Post

1st, thanks for everyone's thoughts.

I literally started looking over the weekend so i haven't really narrowed it down in terms of the towers I will get. I have $300 per unit to spend so I'm thinking I should end up with decent units as long as I do my homework.

The room I'm putting them is weird, it's 12 x 13 with a vaulted ceiling. we only have one wall we can put everything on due to doorways and the fact it is connected to the dining room.

So I can't do 5.1 due to the fact the rears would be withing feet of our heads, just too close. I was thinking a 2 towers to start to provide a "bigger" sound for the room with adding the woofer/center if needed.


Anyway you look at it you will want a sub for your layout IMO. Your price per speaker is more than enough to get you some good options, but take your time to go listen to everything. I personally would suggest getting a center at a later date if for nothing else than for movies. You can run everything without one and my brother in law does and it doesnt sound bad. I myself am just OCD about having a center.

I would start with 2.1 and see how you like it. If you feel the need to buy a center just make sure you decide within the return period if it helps your system at all and if not return it.

I will also mention that room accoustics play a HUGE role in how speakers sound. You need to kinda layout your room so that your not sitting in a null zone. In my last apartment two of the seats were in one simply due to the layout. In my new place they are all positioned properly and it does make a difference.
post #8 of 9
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Originally Posted by Kulaidius View Post

1st, thanks for everyone's thoughts.

I literally started looking over the weekend so i haven't really narrowed it down in terms of the towers I will get. I have $300 per unit to spend so I'm thinking I should end up with decent units as long as I do my homework.

The room I'm putting them is weird, it's 12 x 13 with a vaulted ceiling. we only have one wall we can put everything on due to doorways and the fact it is connected to the dining room.

So I can't do 5.1 due to the fact the rears would be withing feet of our heads, just too close. I was thinking a 2 towers to start to provide a "bigger" sound for the room with adding the woofer/center if needed.

The subwoofer will be needed.

Ron
post #9 of 9
Thread Starter 
I think the advice about getting a subwoofer is sound (haha).

The acoustics in the room aren't bad in that you get a large area of sound with my old infinities (20 + years old/ but woofers are decayed) that is full.

I will face the issue of a limited stage or field of good sound due to the way the room has to be set-up seating wise, that's ok. The good thing is my Samsung TV rotates easily and I can also just shift the speakers a bit directionally if I need to.

Not optimal, certainly not prefessional but it will work until 2-3 years from now when we redo the basement and I can wire/plan a room.

Thanks all for your input.
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