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post #241 of 826
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Ok, the $10,000 question now that this has the special chips and stuff for Netfilx, does anyone think it also work for the newly announced Hulu Plus and it can be added via software update?

No, WD will save Hulu Plus for their upcoming WD Live Plus Ultra box . I'm only half-kidding!
post #242 of 826
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Originally Posted by Brajesh View Post

No, WD will save Hulu Plus for their upcoming WD Live Plus Ultra box . I'm only half-kidding!

I had the exact same thought... The hulu news completely changes my game plan. Now I want a device that plays all of my files (mostly xvid, mkv, dvd-iso) has netflix and hulu.... Then I will fill great about dropping my cable service.

If the wdtv live plus can get hulu, I am sold.
post #243 of 826
In case someone is curious, WD TV Live Plus uses 10/100Mbs Ethernet. Review Horizon posted some additional pics of the circuit board.
post #244 of 826
Still no YouTube HQ videos, right?
post #245 of 826
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Originally Posted by YERFDOGG View Post

Does netflix stream in anything other than 2 channel?

Not currently. 5.1 audio was hinted at for the end of the year. All this assumes you have the Internet bandwidth to handle it.
post #246 of 826
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Originally Posted by thedsc View Post

I had the exact same thought... The hulu news completely changes my game plan. Now I want a device that plays all of my files (mostly xvid, mkv, dvd-iso) has netflix and hulu.... Then I will fill great about dropping my cable service.

If the wdtv live plus can get hulu, I am sold.

and Crackle! Definately need to support Crackle!
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Hi everyone,

I had the original wdtv when it came out and sold it a year ago. Now I'm in the market of picking the plus up but had some questions since I haven't been following the upgrades through all the devices they've made since the first. With these questions, please keep in mind I have a Mac and the movies I want to play on the live plus is from a 2tb drive.

1. Can you make a playlist or does it have continuous play? I have a ton of tv shows and I hate when one episode is done, I have to exit it, go to the next file, then play (I stream to my 360)

2. Is there a sleep function for both to turn of the device and HD? I want to use it at night an just in case I fall asleep, I want to make sure its ok.

3. Do I always have to eject the drive when I'm done, or can I just turn of the player?

Hope you guys can help I'm ready to order from Amazon!

KVN
post #249 of 826
Can someone comment on how the plus handles Blu-Ray rips? I preserve all my blu-rays complete with menus. Basically an exact rip of the disc. I understand the plus does not have menu support for blu rays, but will it detect the main movie properly and play it? Or, do you have to do some tinkering like rip out the main movie file?

I already have Dune Base. Just looking for something for bedroom and don't want to re-rip or tinker.
post #250 of 826
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Originally Posted by bluestinger View Post

A direct network connection is superior in every case. It's solid advice because you're adding a layer of bs between the file and the wdtv when using a media server.

Its simply inefficient, and often will reencode the material on the fly, THEN send it to the wdtv, introducing even more problems.

Like Nogib said:
Media servers = bad
Network shares = good

A layer of what ?.

I've posted links to test files in the WDTV Live thread months ago and will repost the result here.
WDTV Live ethernet wired to a switch, NAS that host files (old synology DS107+) ethernet wired to the same switch.
I can play test files up to 50mbit/s (constant bitrate) using samba but not more.
I can play test files up to 70mbits (constant bitrate) using DLNA.
The test files provider didn't post files with more than 70mbit/s constant bitrate so perhaps it can play upper than that number.

Needless to say that CPU of the old NAS is completly unable to perform any kind of transcoding or things like that (even current high end synology atoms processors NAS are unable to do that).

I would suspect that using network shares is adding a good layer of bs... Think as well that it is on the WDTV Live thread that someone has explained differences between the two protocols and why DLNA was quicker (from a protocol point of view).
post #251 of 826
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Originally Posted by dex38 View Post

A layer of what ?.

I've posted links to test files in the WDTV Live thread months ago and will repost the result here.
WDTV Live ethernet wired to a switch, NAS that host files (old synology DS107+) ethernet wired to the same switch.
I can play test files up to 50mbit/s (constant bitrate) using samba but not more.
I can play test files up to 70mbits (constant bitrate) using DLNA.
The test files provider didn't post files with more than 70mbit/s constant bitrate so perhaps it can play upper than that number.

Needless to say that CPU of the old NAS is completly unable to perform any kind of transcoding or things like that (even current high end synology atoms processors NAS are unable to do that).

I would suspect that using network shares is adding a good layer of bs... Think as well that it is on the WDTV Live thread that someone has explained differences between the two protocols and why DLNA was quicker (from a protocol point of view).

Fascinating. Thanks for the data.
post #252 of 826
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Originally Posted by clark_kent View Post

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to help my friend set up her new WD LivePlus on her home network. I set up a folder for her DVD's called "Movies." Loaded in a few movies (to test), each movie with it's own "title folder," each "title folder" with appropriate cover.jpg. I connect the drive directly to the WD via USB. On entering the "Movie" folder, all the loaded movie cover art show up as expected, DVD navigation working normal, movie plays as expected... so far so good.

I connect this drive to her Cisco router (Linksys E3000) via USB, setup a share folder; enable FTP; hard wire connect the WD to the router. I turn on the WD and connect to the disk attached to the router and enter the share folder. The folder shows the correct number of movies, each folder has the movie title name, BUT there is no cover art. If I select any one of the movie folders, on entering that movie folder, the WD now displays 2 cover art images, one is the jpg and the other is the folder containing the movie file (all movies are ISO's).

Anyone have any thoughts?

Regarding Linksys E3000 - this is a known issue that this router has issues with Media Players, SAMBA Shares, and Upnp shares... even their tech support can't figure it out. I got it to work with two of my network shares by choosing a different channel (via wifi) but sometimes they don't show up or takes an hour to show up... even when you use network cables it does the same thing...after two weeks I got frustrated and got a Netgear WNDR3700 and it worked right away!
post #253 of 826
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Originally Posted by dex38 View Post

I've posted links to test files in the WDTV Live thread months ago and will repost the result here.
WDTV Live ethernet wired to a switch, NAS that host files (old synology DS107+) ethernet wired to the same switch.
I can play test files up to 50mbit/s (constant bitrate) using samba but not more.
I can play test files up to 70mbits (constant bitrate) using DLNA.
The test files provider didn't post files with more than 70mbit/s constant bitrate so perhaps it can play upper than that number.

DLNA uses UDP, network shares use TCP. TCP has more overhead but is more reliable. It is used when delivery is critical. For example, when you copy a file from one computer to another you want to be sure the copy is exactly the same is the original. UDP is used when delivery isn't critical. It doesn't matter if some packets of a video are lost during transmission. The picture on the screen may get messed up for a while but it will be cleaned up by a keyframe in a few seconds. And of course, on a clean LAN packet loss is very infrequent. So there's little to be lost by using UDP rather than TCP for playing audio and video.

It's also possible that when you are using a DLNA server only the streams that the client is playing are transmitted. With a video with two video tracks and six audio tracks a client may only be playing only one video and one audio track. The server can transmit only those tracks -- so bandwidth requirements are less.

On the other hand, when using a DLNA server you are at the mercy of the server. If the server doesn't support a video type the client won't see it -- even if the client can play that video type. If it doesn't expose JPG files when browsing video folders you won't get thumbnails. Problems like that. You only get the subset of features which both the client and server support.

So network shares and DLNA both have their benefits and shortcomings.
post #254 of 826
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Originally Posted by wokwokabc View Post

DLNA uses UDP, network shares use TCP. TCP has more overhead but is more reliable. It is used when delivery is critical. For example, when you copy a file from one computer to another you want to be sure the copy is exactly the same is the original. UDP is used when delivery isn't critical. It doesn't matter if some packets of a video are lost during transmission. The picture on the screen may get messed up for a while but it will be cleaned up by a keyframe in a few seconds. And of course, on a clean LAN packet loss is very infrequent. So there's little to be lost by using UDP rather than TCP for playing audio and video.

It's also possible that when you are using a DLNA server only the streams that the client is playing are transmitted. With a video with two video tracks and six audio tracks a client may only be playing only one video and one audio track. The server can transmit only those tracks -- so bandwidth requirements are less.

On the other hand, when using a DLNA server you are at the mercy of the server. If the server doesn't support a video type the client won't see it -- even if the client can play that video type. If it doesn't expose JPG files when browsing video folders you won't get thumbnails. Problems like that. You only get the subset of features which both the client and server support.

So network shares and DLNA both have their benefits and shortcomings.

excellent info. great post!
post #255 of 826
I returned today, my 3 week old WDTV Live as it was turning off by itself and acting erratically. Returned it- thinking lets try the wdtv plus. BIG MISTAKE!
I get it home and over HDMI will NOT play audio via my LG TV. A quick google search shows similar problems with Toshiba/ and LG TVs. Well, now I have the plus playing through RCA cables. This is NOT a LG issue, as every other source plays great through it. So, tomorrow the plus goes back and I WILL NEVER buy a WD product again.

Any suggestions on an inexpensive media player that is user friendly?
post #256 of 826
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Originally Posted by met64 View Post

I returned today, my 3 week old WDTV Live as it was turning off by itself and acting erratically. Returned it- thinking lets try the wdtv plus. BIG MISTAKE!
I get it home and over HDMI will NOT play audio via my LG TV. A quick google search shows similar problems with Toshiba/ and LG TVs. Well, now I have the plus playing through RCA cables. This is NOT a LG issue, as every other source plays great through it. So, tomorrow the plus goes back and I WILL NEVER buy a WD product again.

Any suggestions on an inexpensive media player that is user friendly?

Depends on what you want out of it. I have tried the original WDTV, WDTV Live Plus, Seagate Freeagent+, and CinemaTube. Of these the WDTV Live Plus is the best for my needs, but the CinemaTube and Freeagent+ were both great and both inexpensive (under $100 each). They are both Realtek based devices, and are similar; they both have dvd menu support, they both work well with an attached USB drive, but they are both lacking in network support (it's there but weak). The Freeagent+ also has an externally accessible bay for a Freeagent USB (portable 2.5") drive, so if all of your media will fit on one of them then it makes for a nice uncluttered setup. Neither of them has a built-in NAS server, so you cannot connect to the USB disk from your computer like you can with the WDTV Live Plus (one of my favorite features!). There are also several more that should be coming out this summer, both Sigma and Realtek based.
post #257 of 826
I have been a fan of the WDTV since I was an early adopter of Gen 1. I bought the WDTV Live when it came out and it has performed flawlessly for me. When the WDTV Live Plus became available, I was one of the first to buy it. It will be the first WDTV media player that I will be returning. Here's why:

With much anticipation, I hooked up the WDTV Live Plus via HDMI. It streamed my mkv collection from my local usb drive flawlessly. It also streamed flawlessly over my wired gigabit network using shares and Tversity. Then I fired up Netflix since that was the only reason I bought yet another media player. It loaded the Netflix interface and I was impressed with Netflix 2.0 and the ability to browse and add to my instant queue from the WDTV device. When I tried to play a movie, it started buffering (retrieving) but I noticed two strange things. There was no bandwidth quality indicator and the screen blanked for a moment while it was retrieving. The movie started and immediately began pixelating and was entirely unwatchable. I tried several movies with the same result.

I was perplexed why my network shares played fine over my wired network and Netflix did not. I have a solid DSL connection and can stream Netflix movies with my Panasonic BD65 blu-ray player flawlessly. I tried setting the resolution manually on the Live Plus. I also tried a different HDMI cable. No go.

I researched this issue and found that it is likely caused by a HDCP handshake problem.

The Live Plus was just recently released and already there are several HDTV sets that are reported not to work with Netflix over HDMI:

Panasonic 32LX85
Panasonic TH-42PX50U
Phillips 32PFL5332D
Philips 42PF9630A/37
Magnavox 32MF231D/37
Magnavox 42MF231D

Some people have reported that Netflix will work with these HDTVs using component cables.

This list will probably grow as more people buy the Plus. Apparently, Western Digital didn't fully test this product before releasing it.

WD has reproduced the problem and acknowledged it on the WDC forum.

Aside from the HDCP-Netflix bug, I was appalled at the boot time of the Plus. Mine took almost a full minute to boot. Contrast that to my WDTV Live that boots in 3 or 4 seconds. The boot time on this media player is approaching that of a full blown HTPC.

Western Digital has acknowledged the Netflix over HDMI problem but has not indicated if this is something that can be remedied with a firmware update.

I'm sticking with my WDTV Live for now. It is a fast booting device that works great for me. My Panny BD65 will continue to be my Netflix streaming device.
post #258 of 826
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Originally Posted by wavsine View Post

Aside from the HDCP-Netflix bug, I was appalled at the boot time of the Plus. Mine took almost a full minute to boot. Contrast that to my WDTV Live that boots in 3 or 4 seconds. The boot time on this media player is approaching that of a full blown HTPC.

Western Digital has acknowledged the Netflix over HDMI problem but has not indicated if this is something that can be remedied with a firmware update.

I'm sticking with my WDTV Live for now. It is a fast booting device that works great for me. My Panny BD65 will continue to be my Netflix streaming device.

This is due to the difference in how the WDTV Live and WDTV Live Plus turn "off." When you turn off the WDTV Live, it actually only goes into a standby mode which is why it responds so quickly when you turn it on (and why it is always warm even when "off"). The WDTV Live Plus however goes into a full off mode which means it has to go through a whole cold boot process when you turn it on. If you unplugged your WDTV Live and plugged it back in, you'd notice that the cold boot on the WDTV Live is nearly indentical to that of the WDTV Live Plus. So it isn't that the WDTV Live Plus is any slower booting than the WDTV Live, it just doesn't use that mostly-still-on standby mode and as a result is more power efficient. Maybe WD will bring standby to the WDTV Live Plus in a fw update but personally I'm more than happy that when mine is off, it is FULLY off.
post #259 of 826
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Originally Posted by Nogib View Post

This is due to the difference in how the WDTV Live and WDTV Live Plus turn "off." When you turn off the WDTV Live, it actually only goes into a standby mode which is why it responds so quickly when you turn it on (and why it is always warm even when "off"). The WDTV Live Plus however goes into a full off mode which means it has to go through a whole cold boot process when you turn it on. If you unplugged your WDTV Live and plugged it back in, you'd notice that the cold boot on the WDTV Live is nearly indentical to that of the WDTV Live Plus. So it isn't that the WDTV Live Plus is any slower booting than the WDTV Live, it just doesn't use that mostly-still-on standby mode and as a result is more power efficient. Maybe WD will bring standby to the WDTV Live Plus in a fw update but personally I'm more than happy that when mine is off, it is FULLY off.

I would tend to agree that I prefer my devices to turn completely off but arguably, most electronic devices keep a circuit energized (for remote control, memory etc) In many of the reviews I have read, the boot time of the Plus is mentioned in a negative light. Had the WDTV Plus been a functional product with my HDTV, I would have simply left it on all the time. That would not have been a deal breaker for me.

Having to use component cables instead of HDMI to get Netflix to work on a high definition media player is a major deal breaker.

If WD can issue a firmware fix for this issue, I'll buy another WDTV Plus.

I also considered the Viewsonic VMP75 until I read that the interface freezes and crashes when browsing thumbnails which forces the use of list view.
post #260 of 826
What does this unit do with Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Sound?
post #261 of 826
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Originally Posted by Bellavance View Post

What does this unit do with Dolby True HD and DTS-HD Sound?

According to Western Digital, Dolby TrueHD passthrough to a receiver should work.
post #262 of 826
If I missed it sorry, but...

Does anyone know how compatible the player is with wifi USB adapters? Are there some that won't work at all?

I found a list here...

http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc....p?p_faqid=3805

...and the one I planned on using isn't listed (not the manufacturer or model).
post #263 of 826
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Originally Posted by wavsine View Post

I have been a fan of the WDTV since I was an early adopter of Gen 1. I bought the WDTV Live when it came out and it has performed flawlessly for me. When the WDTV Live Plus became available, I was one of the first to buy it. It will be the first WDTV media player that I will be returning. Here's why:

With much anticipation, I hooked up the WDTV Live Plus via HDMI. It streamed my mkv collection from my local usb drive flawlessly. It also streamed flawlessly over my wired gigabit network using shares and Tversity. Then I fired up Netflix since that was the only reason I bought yet another media player. It loaded the Netflix interface and I was impressed with Netflix 2.0 and the ability to browse and add to my instant queue from the WDTV device. When I tried to play a movie, it started buffering (retrieving) but I noticed two strange things. There was no bandwidth quality indicator and the screen blanked for a moment while it was retrieving. The movie started and immediately began pixelating and was entirely unwatchable. I tried several movies with the same result.

I was perplexed why my network shares played fine over my wired network and Netflix did not. I have a solid DSL connection and can stream Netflix movies with my Panasonic BD65 blu-ray player flawlessly. I tried setting the resolution manually on the Live Plus. I also tried a different HDMI cable. No go.

I researched this issue and found that it is likely caused by a HDCP handshake problem.

The Live Plus was just recently released and already there are several HDTV sets that are reported not to work with Netflix over HDMI:

Panasonic 32LX85
Phillips 32PFL5332D
Philips 42PF9630A/37
Magnavox 32MF231D/37

Some people have reported that Netflix will work with these HDTVs using component cables.

This list will probably grow as more people buy the Plus. Apparently, Western Digital didn't fully test this product before releasing it.

WD has reproduced the problem and acknowledged it on the WDC forum.

Aside from the HDCP-Netflix bug, I was appalled at the boot time of the Plus. Mine took almost a full minute to boot. Contrast that to my WDTV Live that boots in 3 or 4 seconds. The boot time on this media player is approaching that of a full blown HTPC.

Western Digital has acknowledged the Netflix over HDMI problem but has not indicated if this is something that can be remedied with a firmware update.

I'm sticking with my WDTV Live for now. It is a fast booting device that works great for me. My Panny BD65 will continue to be my Netflix streaming device.


In addition to the netflix fiasco, certain TVs (LG, Vizio) stopped producing HDMI over audio as well on the Live Plus! My Live Plus is going back today, and quite honestly after my experience with WD over this- I will NEVER buy a WD product again.
post #264 of 826
I am new to this post
I am considering a WD TV Live + because it plays MKVs.
I plan to use it in the car with RCA A/V outputs (non HD)
any problems with that?
Also wouldn't mine bringing it to my HT system via HDMI sometimes.

Does the netflix absolutely not work at all? From the reviews I read on Amazon it seems people have it working.
post #265 of 826
Netlfix is working well for me, although I'm using component not HDMI. I tried a few movies tonight and the quality was much better than I expected. The only issue I have with it is that it always forces the output to 480p when the movie starts, even though the Live is set to 720p. I don't have this issue with SD DVD rips so I'm not sure what's going on.
post #266 of 826
Does the unit have composite RCA video out?
post #267 of 826
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Does the unit have composite RCA video out?

I think it has a miniplug composite out (1/8").
post #268 of 826
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Does the unit have composite RCA video out?

No worries, it comes with a miniplug to RCA "Y" cable. See here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post17366931
post #269 of 826
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Originally Posted by PoorSignal View Post

Does the netflix absolutely not work at all? From the reviews I read on Amazon it seems people have it working.

I have Netflix working for me fine using HDMI cables to my Sony KDL32S3000. What the previous poster was stating was that it wasn't working for certain tv's - not necessarily yours.

I am looking forward though to a custom FW so I can enable movie sheets. The GUI for videos is pretty bland to me.

Also, your idea of setting it up in your car is pretty interesting. I'm curious to hear how that is going to turn out. Where do you plan on putting the box itself considering you need to use the remote to perform all functions and line of sight is required.

-P.
post #270 of 826
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Originally Posted by penone View Post


I am looking forward though to a custom FW so I can enable movie sheets. The GUI for videos is pretty bland to me.


-P.

I think b-rad stated that he wouldn't be able to do movie sheets for the plus. If so, that's really unfortunate.
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