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post #61 of 451
In the 42"/1080p/120Hz class is there anything sub $650 worth considering over the E420VL? Im about to pull the trigger on the E420VL from walmart for $599 since imo it seems to be a clear winner for the price in terms of specs, its just hard to find much first hand reviews yet.
post #62 of 451
I was looking at the Vizio E420VL at walmart. I went to 3 different stores and the whites on all the display sets appeared brownish, like parchment paper. Is that just the store display settings?
post #63 of 451
I went to Wal-Mart again yesterday and I looked at both the E420VL and the E470VL. I'm wondering if I should go with the 42 or the 47. The 47 is a little bit more $$$, but I sit about 5 to 6 feet away from the TV, and the stand that I have can accommodate a 47. I also wonder if these are anti-glare, because there's actually a big window in back of the TV (not close) and it doesn't have any shades or blinds on it.
post #64 of 451
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Originally Posted by ssetta View Post

What was the in-store price? I see you can buy it online from Walmart for $648.

That's what I paid in the store
post #65 of 451
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Originally Posted by ssetta View Post

I went to Wal-Mart again yesterday and I looked at both the E420VL and the E470VL. I'm wondering if I should go with the 42 or the 47. The 47 is a little bit more $$$, but I sit about 5 to 6 feet away from the TV, and the stand that I have can accommodate a 47. I also wonder if these are anti-glare, because there's actually a big window in back of the TV (not close) and it doesn't have any shades or blinds on it.

All the Vizio's I've seen are anti-glare, matte (or semi-matte) screen. If it has mirror-like reflectivity, where the store ceiling lights are reflected very sharply instead of somewhat fuzzy, it's a glossy, reflective screen. You can easily compare various levels of reflectivity in the store displays.

If I say only 5-6 feet away from the TV, I'd want a 37"! So perhaps a 42" would be big enough for you?
post #66 of 451
Can anyone comment on the lag of the various inputs with regards to gaming (wii component, ps3 hdmi, older composite input games?).
post #67 of 451
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Originally Posted by callejon View Post

I was looking at the Vizio E420VL at walmart. I went to 3 different stores and the whites on all the display sets appeared brownish, like parchment paper. Is that just the store display settings?

I can finally answer this.

Yes, I saw the same thing at my local Costco. Whites for the E420VL appear a bit like parchment, and other colors have a somewhat brownish tint. This happens with the "Standard" setting. I don't know why. Anyone else know?

If you switch to "Custom"---and change nothing else---you get good whites. "Vivid" does the same, but of course that's not good for home viewing unless drastically tempered by dropping the backlight and making other adjustments.

I didn't try other modes such as "Golf," "Football," and all that odd stuff (Vizio seems to have a half-dozen of these or more) but a few tweaks should allow their use, as well, to give a natural look. At least Vizio offers a lot of options.

I don't recall having the "Standard" setting problem with whites on my 370XVT. And I'm sensitive to whites. Different panel, perhaps? Different processor?
post #68 of 451
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Can anyone comment on the lag of the various inputs with regards to gaming (wii component, ps3 hdmi, older composite input games?).


Can somebody answer this please? I have the same question.

I see that it only has a 5ms response time, so I just want to make sure it's good for gaming.

Thanks
post #69 of 451
I went on Dell.com, and they have the E420VL listed twice. They have one for the actual price of $729, and another one on sale for only $609. Why would they have one on sale and one not? Could it be that one of them is Refurbished? I wonder what that means.
post #70 of 451
Does anyone have good settings for the 42"? My gf just got one and I am trying to minimize the soap opera effect.
post #71 of 451
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Originally Posted by Feddie View Post

Does anyone have good settings for the 42"? My gf just got one and I am trying to minimize the soap opera effect.

If my 370XVT was anything like your E420 (and my guess is that it was) you can minimize the soap opera effect by setting Smooth Motion to "Low" and Real Cinema to "Precision".

This gave me the best balance while keeping judder to a minimum.

I understand (though I haven't confirmed) that the soap opera effect is generated by the extreme sharpness of the image when using anti-judder processing. One does get used to a minimum amount of it after a while, and if you eliminate it completely, you're going to get judder with slow pans.
post #72 of 451
When I turn on dynamic contrast ratio it gets extremely dark, sometimes so dark in certain scenes I can't see anything. Is this normal operation? I can see it adjusting to dark text screens/credits. On these mostly black screens the backlight dims a lot. It's extremely annoying - I turned off DCR and it is fine but I wanted to know if that is even normal or if I should take it back.
post #73 of 451
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Originally Posted by pballbeast View Post

When I turn on dynamic contrast ratio it gets extremely dark, sometimes so dark in certain scenes I can't see anything. Is this normal operation? I can see it adjusting to dark text screens/credits. On these mostly black screens the backlight dims a lot. It's extremely annoying - I turned off DCR and it is fine but I wanted to know if that is even normal or if I should take it back.

What you are describing is normal. The Dynamic Contrast Ratio is actually what's known as auto-dimming. It gives "better" blacks by simply reducing the backlight in darker scenes---at the cost of not seeing much in dark scenes!

When Sony first tried this, people were returning the sets because they couldn't turn off this auto-dimming feature. Months later, Sony came out with a firmware fix.

Turn it OFF and be happy.

Try some backlight settings in the main picture menu. Something around 45-50 ought to do it. Use the Custom mode, but don't change any of the custom color settings. Custom seems to give the best color balance out of the box, and you shouldn't have to do anything special with the settings.

Also, remember your basic TV knowledge: "Contrast" adjusts the brighter parts of the picutre. "Brightness" adjusts the darker parts of the picture. "Backlight" adjusts both at once.
post #74 of 451
I'm thinking about returning the E470VL because of the blurry image when camera is panning or there is :"high contrast motion" (people or dark things moving against a light background). It almost hurts my eyes. I have the advanced settings on Smooth Motion = Low and Real Cinema = Smooth. It is alittle better, but still almost like a shaking image. Anyone else have these issues? I have some other 720p lcds and a 1080i dlp that doesn't have this effect. It is annoying. It does work very well with the 360 though.
post #75 of 451
That sounds like the kind of affect you would get with 60Hz. I thought 120Hz was supposed to take care of that.
post #76 of 451
@bkung,

I just bought the E420VL on Sunday. I am still tweaking the settings but the smoothness of the motion is very good. I turned it down to the settings you have posted because any higher and it seems to smooth.

I really like this set. My main concern was using it as a PC monitor and it seems great.

Hopefully some settings will get posted by a PRO soon.
post #77 of 451
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Originally Posted by callejon View Post

I was looking at the Vizio E420VL at walmart. I went to 3 different stores and the whites on all the display sets appeared brownish, like parchment paper. Is that just the store display settings?

Here's another follow-up to the issue of brownish tint when using Standard mode:

You can correct for this (in Standard mode) by switching to "Cool" in the color temperature menu. Or, as I mentioned before, switching to Custom mode. Also, the color itself is usually set way too high. Using the remote, I was able to get Standard mode to look virtually identical to Custom by tweaking the color temp (to Cool) and bringing down the color level itself to about 50. The whites were pure.

The default color temp for Standard is "Normal," and I believe this is more scientifically accurate in terms of ideal color temp, but most people (including me) find it too warm.

I haven't experimented with Movie mode, but I'll be doing this soon, for I've decided to buy the E420VL at Costco this weekend. I was going to wait for the XVT423, but I don't need the aps, and the blacks look just fine on the E420. I don't think slightly better black levels are worth the extra $400. (The store guy said you really have to put the LED set side-by-side with the new CCFL to see much difference. I've decided to believe him and save the money. :-)
post #78 of 451
Well I just got the Vizio E420VL from Costco yesterday and the picture is great needs to be tweaked some more but if I can get it right the picture is good.
I got it for $800 bucks with tax.
The only problem I am having with this TV is that the sound has no depth I have tried to adjust it but can't seam to get it to sound right.
This is my third tv The first one was a Sharp that had a great picture but no sound and I mean Nada from 24 to 60 there was no change.
The sec one was an LG the sound was good but had to be turned up to around 58 to be at a comfortable level but I was not happy with the picture feeding it an analog cable signal.
And before anybody says anything I have nothing wrong with my hearing I had a hearing test six months ago.
I don't know what tv to get at this point.
I'm very depressed and fed up at this point.
If anybody has any suggestions let me know.
I have to have a Matt screen LCD the plasma tv's have too much of a gloss screen and I have no way to transport it.
post #79 of 451
The sound quality on LCD TVs probably isn't going to get much better. If you want good sound quality I'd suggest hooking it up to a stereo system.
post #80 of 451
Do any of you guys have Stars On-Demand in HD (it is either Stars of Showtime)? I have Verizon FiOS and there are a few scenes that bring out this "shaky image" effect that I am seeing, could someone verify. I'm doing this off the top of my head, so please bear with me...

2012 : when the two jazz musicians are walking up to cruise ship, there seems to be a lot of blurry movement. It is about 10 min into it.

Planet 51 : Right before the main title comes up, there is a panning camera scene with people walking in front of a movie theater. Extremely shaky. both when watching the people walk, and when camera is panning. About 7 min into it.

Zombieland : When the Escalade is driving up to skinny guy. When Woody and skinny guy first meet. The Escalade and interaction between the two guys shaky/blurry. About 13 min into it.

I don't know where I am going with this, but I just want to know if this is common, because I don't think I have experienced this with my other HD TV sets. Or, am I just being "mentally handicapped". Is this something that I am just going to have to live with.
post #81 of 451
@ Crazy

As far as I know, Flat Panel TVs are just not going to have good sound. Bang for Buck, I don't think you will beat an external speaker set with any type of sub woofer.

The E420VL has 2 audio outs, A spdif and RCA's. I bought a RCA to 3.5mm adapter, and hooked up an old 2.1 PC speaker set (2 speakers and a sub woofer) for the time being, and the sound is now greatly improved.

You could spend an extra $2000 for a higher end TV, or $50 for an external speaker set. One nice thing I noticed about the Vizio is that it powers the TV's internal and external speakers very well.
post #82 of 451
@bkung

I just brought up Planet 51 on Netflix watch instant, not HD but I think I see what you are saying about the scene in front of the movie studio. (On netflix its about 3.5 minutes in when the mom is dragging the kid out of the theater)

It does jitter a bit while panning right to left, the worst of it seems to be right as the Marque is coming into frame.


Have you tried changing inputs from your Fios Box? I am assuming you are hooked up to a STB via HDMI. If you have some component cables lying around, maybe see if they have a different effect.

If I had not been looking specifically for jittering in that spot, I would not have noticed it. So either you are more sensitive to it then I, or for whatever reason, your set is not properly handling movement.
post #83 of 451
Hey Jads,
On standard def it isn't bad... most things are fine. It is the HD content that makes the problem most evident. I have tried both Component and HDMI, both give me very similar results. On my other TVs the same scenes look decent in HD, but you can still tell that there is slight blurring, but not as severe as the E470VL.
post #84 of 451
Just a note. The light up vizio logo in the front cannot be turned off and can be extremely annoying, especially in a darkened room. Make sure you have some electrical tape to put over it when you buy this tv.

Also, I hooked by Wii (component) and PS3 (hdmi) up. There seems to be a slight bit of lag with both of these, but I might be being oversensitive.
post #85 of 451
You COULD plug the TV into the outlet on the back of the cable box, and set that outlet to "Switched." Then the TV would be "unplugged" and the Vizio logo wouldn't light up when the TV was off.
post #86 of 451
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Originally Posted by ssetta View Post

You COULD plug the TV into the outlet on the back of the cable box, and set that outlet to "Switched." Then the TV would be "unplugged" and the Vizio logo wouldn't light up when the TV was off.

This logo was the same on the XVT370, and although I'm sensitive to this kind of thing, it wasn't long before I didn't notice it any longer. The brain will cancel out what isn't relevant. Dark movie theaters have lighted "Exit" signs. My advice to you, Chris, is not to do anything about the logo for at least a week. That logo will disappear from your perception. Trust me.

Incidentally, what about that shiny silver rectangle just below the screen on the XVT series? Apparently they retained it for their newest sets. Sonys of a couple of years ago had this weird clear space across the bottom of the frame. Samsung tried a red-tinted border. People compained about all of it, but manufacturers keep trying to develop a distinctive style. It's dumb. They should leave the frame black. But I'm sure research shows that people don't notice these things when they start watching what's on the screen.
post #87 of 451
Well, I just went to Wal-Mart to purchase my E420VL, and they're all sold out. It seems like a lot of places are sold out. I wonder if I should buy it online. I'm just worried about the shipping cost.
post #88 of 451
If you feel like driving to Northbridge there are 8+ E420VL on the floor as of 4:00 today.They are showing Rocky on the display unit. I hope it was the DVD because it looked like garbage.

On a positive note that E550VL in the main display area (mounted up high) looked much better than anything else near it (I think the ln55c630 was just to the right?). Of course at another store it was mounted on the bottom of the rack and looked like crap

Anyone got hard numbers for gaming lag on these things? I got one getting here next week from DELL. Needed to buy in a hurry to get good price (Coupon + BING) and could not find much info about gaming.

Thanks
post #89 of 451
Hello everyone, I purchased a E420VL from Dell. Hooked it up a couple of days ago. I'm trying to brighten it up a little, my wife says it seems too dark. I'm not an expert at setting these tv's up so i'm hoping to get some help from this forum.

Also Charter cable came out Friday to upgrade my box to a hd box while I was at work. I noticed yesterday that the cable going from my box to my tv was just a black coaxial cable. I am trying to get them to supply me with a hdmi cable, I called them and she said he probalbly didn't have one on his truck. Do you think the picture would be better with a hdmi cable? Or is there much of a difference. I'm wondering if I should wait until I get a hdmi cable connected before I try to adjust the picture. Thanks
post #90 of 451
Wow, I just bought mine from Dell too! I would wait until I got an HDMI cable, as they usually provide the best picture. I'm not sure cable companies usually supply them, you might have to buy your own.
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