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post #661 of 734
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

the 3d effect isn't the problem, it's the very low resolution stemming from the 720p signal being split in half. ends up looking like 3d playing on a washed-out vhs tape!

Absolutely. People see the chopped on resolution from side-by-side broadcasts and think, "I'd rather watch this in 2D HD than 3D SD".

Until broadcasters agree on a better way than side-by-side or top/bottom then I don't see cable 3D taking off. Let's see if Sensio has anything to announce during CES that could help.
post #662 of 734
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

lots of them ended yesterday and today

Do they bring these back from time to time and or introduce new ones? The choices right now seem very limited. Do you think this is temporary?
post #663 of 734
that seems to be the patern; bring them back, that is
post #664 of 734
3D movies that are removed from the paid movie section usually end up under the banners for whichever channel is showing the 2D version (HBO, Showtime, Starz, etc.) after a while.
post #665 of 734
Just installed a Motorola RNG200N HD DVR yesterday. Looked online for a manual and Comcast lists a Cisco RNG200N, but not a Motorola. The boxes look very similar, but not exact.

I installed the box to check out the two 3D channels available in my area, XF3D and ESPN3D.

Although the XF3D (SBS) looks fine, ESPN3D is horrible. I realize that it is TnB, so the resolution is reduced, but it looks like it is playing at about 15 frames per second.

I watched part of two football games and a basketball game and the result is the same. ESPN3D also showed some flowers during a short intermission in the basketball game. The scene was a slow zoom out and it also looked "choppy" as if it was skipping frames.

Is this the norm for ESPN3D?
post #666 of 734
that's the norm for ESPN 3d in my area. i'm watching on a large screen so al of its problems are amplified, but in addition to the choppiness it looks like all of the color and detail have been sapped out of the picture. the 3d is there, but the rest of the image quality is a joke (i'm using comcast in ATL).
post #667 of 734
I don't see any such problems with ESPN3D here. You may want to contact the headend manager for your Comcast location to see if there's anything they can do about the picture quality.
post #668 of 734
found today we don't get ESPN3D OR XFINIITY3D in our area, yet...

only 3D is on demand...if we don't get it by next football season, we'll be DirecTV customers again
post #669 of 734
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Originally Posted by Rudy1 View Post

I don't see any such problems with ESPN3D here. You may want to contact the headend manager for your Comcast location to see if there's anything they can do about the picture quality.

Agreed. Looks great here in Chgo. Must be the headend in your area.
post #670 of 734
Watched a bit of hoops tonight in Portland and it was choppy. Not sure if that is the norm though, I think I had watched football for a bit and been more impressed.
post #671 of 734
Had a service visit from Comcast yesterday evening. The tech was pleasant and knowledgeable! He talked to his boss (perhaps the "headend manager") on the phone and I overheard him say this was the first complaint he's ever heard of about 3D.

I'm watching on a Panasonic VT30. I played with the motion smoothing settings in 3D and that didn't seem to have any effect. Since XF3D is SBS and smooth and ESPN is Top-n-Bottom but choppy, I tried a few On-Demand Top-n-Bottom programs to compare. They were very smooth compared to ESPN.

The manager is going to check the ESPN feed this morning and call me later. I'll report back if I have any useful info.
post #672 of 734
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

found today we don't get ESPN3D OR XFINIITY3D in our area, yet...

only 3D is on demand...if we don't get it by next football season, we'll be DirecTV customers again

If your area is the same as most others you will get the two 3D channels at the same time they go full digital.
post #673 of 734
I can barely watch ESPN 3D. I use a JVC RS55 on a 100 inch diagonal screen for 1.78 content and end up switching to the HD broadcast because it is so bad. I even added a Lumagen Radiance Mini-3D to see if that would help and while there is a little improvement, it is still horrible.

I'm afraid until they up the bandwidth, I will not watch Comcast 3D content. Blu-Ray 3D zoomed to fill a 125 inch diagonal 2.35 screen on the other hand is jaw dropping.

I wonder if my experience is consistent when viewing larger front projection images or if there is an issue with my Comcast signal.
post #674 of 734
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Originally Posted by GeorgeHolland View Post

I can barely watch ESPN 3D. I use a JVC RS55 on a 100 inch diagonal screen for 1.78 content and end up switching to the HD broadcast because it is so bad. I even added a Lumagen Radiance Mini-3D to see if that would help and while there is a little improvement, it is still horrible.

I'm afraid until they up the bandwidth, I will not watch Comcast 3D content. Blu-Ray 3D zoomed to fill a 125 inch diagonal 2.35 screen on the other hand is jaw dropping.

I wonder if my experience is consistent when viewing larger front projection images or if there is an issue with my Comcast signal.

How does it look in 2D when viewing the TnB images?

I ask because with many projectors the SbS and TnB 3D quality is very poor relative to how amazing it looks with 1080p24 frame packed 3D on blu-ray. As an example the later looks amazing on my Sony VW95 but most SbS and TnB content looks "meh" in comparison...
post #675 of 734
I would have to go back and check but I don't remember the image looking bad while showing the top and bottom image before 3D processing. Close-ups look OK but graphics, letters and larger field shots are very poor in 3D. meh would be an improvement.

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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

How does it look in 2D when viewing the TnB images?

I ask because with many projectors the SbS and TnB 3D quality is very poor relative to how amazing it looks with 1080p24 frame packed 3D on blu-ray. As an example the later looks amazing on my Sony VW95 but most SbS and TnB content looks "meh" in comparison...
post #676 of 734
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

How does it look in 2D when viewing the TnB images?

I ask because with many projectors the SbS and TnB 3D quality is very poor relative to how amazing it looks with 1080p24 frame packed 3D on blu-ray. As an example the later looks amazing on my Sony VW95 but most SbS and TnB content looks "meh" in comparison...

The jerky motion I am seeing exists in the ESPN 3D TnB broadcast before I activate 3D and also after. Again, my observation isn't about the lack of resolution, rather the non-smooth motion. I realize a TnB 3D picture won't be that great.

The jerky motion looks like dropped frames. BTW, the Comcast tech looked at a data page from my HD DVR and it shows no dropped frames. In other words, I'm receiving everything that is sent.

I'm watching on a 65inch Panasonic P65VT30. The SBS 3d looks fine; even some Half SBS that I downloaded and streamed looks fine. I also watched some On Demand and downloaded TnB 3D programming and it looks fine. It is just ESPN 3D that looks crappy.

I have an Epson 5010 showing up any minute and I'll be hooking it up in my theater with a 110" screen. I am guessing that ESPN 3D will look worse on the larger screen, but it will be an interesting comparison to my Panasonic plasma.

edit: I forgot to mention that I watched a 3d demo clip from an ESPN 3D football game and it was an SBS presentation. It looked superb relative to the TnB broadcast I'm seeing on Comcast, with very smooth motion.
post #677 of 734
You guys with the ESPN 3d problem should try setting your cable box output to 720p and see if that helps.
post #678 of 734
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Originally Posted by David_B View Post

You guys with the ESPN 3d problem should try setting your cable box output to 720p and see if that helps.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I tried every output option and it made no difference in the choppiness. Looks like I'll have to wait a bit to try it out on my new projector. No 3D yet probably because my HDMI cable is a 35 footer from five years ago.

edit: turned out to not be the HDMI cable, it was a setting on my PS3. The five year old 35' HDMI cable from Monoprice passes the 3d signal just fine! Unfortunately, the projector is mounted in a cabinet that blocks the 3D IR emitter. Have to wait until I get an external emitter to play more with 3D on the projector.
post #679 of 734
Just read a post on the Comcast forum from a member claiming that "ALL new motorola boxes (the black ones) have a firmware that is incapable of processing the ESPN 3D signal properly."

He goes on to state that the "silver" boxes all work fine. I have the new Motorola RNG200N (black). Just curious if anyone else has this box and if so, do you see the "choppiness" on the ESPN 3D channel?
post #680 of 734
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Originally Posted by Bobkbusch View Post

Just read a post on the Comcast forum from a member claiming that "ALL new motorola boxes (the black ones) have a firmware that is incapable of processing the ESPN 3D signal properly."

He goes on to state that the "silver" boxes all work fine. I have the new Motorola RNG200N (black). Just curious if anyone else has this box and if so, do you see the "choppiness" on the ESPN 3D channel?

I do not have any problems with ESPN 3D using the DCX3400, DCX3501, the DCX3200 or the Pace RNG110.
post #681 of 734
I have a 3400, I don't see why it would be a firmware issue. I don't even think it was always choppy. My headset (Sony HMZ) is what does the processing.
post #682 of 734
Newbie here. I see that this is a 'Comcast 3D' thread, so I'm not sure about posting here, since I have Verizon FIOS and just got a Samsung 3D 60" LED and have been watching ESPN3D and it's great. Is there a "Verizon 3D" thread?
post #683 of 734
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Originally Posted by Bobkbusch View Post

The jerky motion I am seeing exists in the ESPN 3D TnB broadcast before I activate 3D and also after. Again, my observation isn't about the lack of resolution, rather the non-smooth motion. I realize a TnB 3D picture won't be that great.

The jerky motion looks like dropped frames. BTW, the Comcast tech looked at a data page from my HD DVR and it shows no dropped frames. In other words, I'm receiving everything that is sent.

I'm watching on a 65inch Panasonic P65VT30. The SBS 3d looks fine; even some Half SBS that I downloaded and streamed looks fine. I also watched some On Demand and downloaded TnB 3D programming and it looks fine. It is just ESPN 3D that looks crappy.

I have an Epson 5010 showing up any minute and I'll be hooking it up in my theater with a 110" screen. I am guessing that ESPN 3D will look worse on the larger screen, but it will be an interesting comparison to my Panasonic plasma.

edit: I forgot to mention that I watched a 3d demo clip from an ESPN 3D football game and it was an SBS presentation. It looked superb relative to the TnB broadcast I'm seeing on Comcast, with very smooth motion.

OK, I had a look and can confirm 100% I am having the same exact problem as you. I do not watch this channel often enough to know when it started, but I can say it was fine a couple weeks ago.

I don't think it is a area specific problem because I am on the east coast and see you are in CO. I have asked Comcast to check into it. Hopefully it will be resolved shortly, but I'm not too optimistic they can resolve it before the biggest game of the year tonight in 3D... Go figure.

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Originally Posted by Bobkbusch View Post

Just read a post on the Comcast forum from a member claiming that "ALL new motorola boxes (the black ones) have a firmware that is incapable of processing the ESPN 3D signal properly."

He goes on to state that the "silver" boxes all work fine. I have the new Motorola RNG200N (black). Just curious if anyone else has this box and if so, do you see the "choppiness" on the ESPN 3D channel?

I can't say whether there was an update to the firmware that could have broke things very recently. But I can say definitively that I have been watching ESPN 3D for over a year with the DCX-3400 (black) box and never had a problem with this channel until now.

In some ways it seems like it could be a system wide issue or maybe the feed from ESPN3D is messed up. But then again I'm not so sure because it seems there would be more people here complaining about it if that was the case.
post #684 of 734
It looks like Comcast has resolved the ESPN 3D strobe / refresh rate issue. Those that had the problem can you confirm it is now fixed for you?
post #685 of 734
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

It looks like Comcast has resolved the ESPN 3D strobe / refresh rate issue. Those that had the problem can you confirm it is now fixed for you?

Perfect! Thanks for the heads up. I was heading out the door to swap my Comcast Box, when I saw your post.

Just checked and indeed it is fixed!!! Looks much, much better!

Cheers!
post #686 of 734
while not a whole lot better, i've found the SBS of the xfinity 3d variety channel looks better than the top-bottom Espn 3d on my system, On both channels the 3d effect is actually very good, but especially on Espn the drop is resolution is just too much to provide much enjoyment (at least on my comcast system).

FWIW, i dvr'd "Haunted Castle Imax" and was actually shocked how good the 3d was, even with the drop is resolution. Everything on ESPN 3d seems to have washed out colors and is quite soft.
post #687 of 734
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Originally Posted by oleus View Post

while not a whole lot better, i've found the SBS of the xfinity 3d variety channel looks a lot better than the top-bottom Espn 3d on my system, On both channels the 3d effect is actually very good, but especially on Espn the drop is resolution is just too much to provide much enjoyment (at least on my comcast system).

FWIW, i dvr'd "Haunted Castle Imax" and was actually shocked how good the 3d was, even with the drop is resolution. Everything on ESPN 3d seems to have washed out colors and is quite soft.

I concur! I have a 65" Panasonic Plasma and ESPN 3D now looks OK on it. The choppiness is gone and the motion is smooth.

I also have a 110" screen and Epson 5010 projector that I just got the 3D working. Although the motion on ESPN 3D is smooth, the resolution is still crappy. If I understand it correctly, ESPN is broadcasting Top and Bottom 720p. That means the vertical resolution of the combined image is only 360p.

On the 110" screen, the 360p vertical resolution looks like crap compared to a 2D 1080 broadcast or Blu-Ray (2D or 3D). It isn't as noticeable on the 65" plasma. The Comcast XF3D channel that broadcasts in SBS 3D looks significantly better, especially on the projector.
post #688 of 734
bob - i'm also using a projector (optoma 3300) so i would guess something like espn 3d just doesn't hold up on a large screen.

i would highly recommend that people check out Haunted Castle Imax if they have the xfinity 3d channel. while dark and nowhere near a bluray, the 3d depth was very impressive.
post #689 of 734
ESPN 3d was back to normal for me for the big game. Too bad it wasn't the Rose or Fiesta Bowl or something that didn't lull me to sleep.
post #690 of 734
Yea the game itself sucked but, aside from the aforementioned drop in resolution, I was surprised at how good the 3D looked otherwise!
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