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post #1921 of 2560
3/6/11 at 4:50pm
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Originally Posted by KennyPa View Post

@indiglo Thanks for the recommendation. But that's little out of budget lol. I'm looking for something 250-300. Thanks for your help.

I am currently using this stand which easily supports my Sony 55" hx800, directv hd box, ps3, and some of my wife's decor. Lol. I got it from target almost 3 years ago and used to have a Sony 50" rear projection on it. It has held up flawlessly. I also live in earthquake prone Southern California and it's always held up. This can be found on target's website for $30-40.

http://sites.target.com/site/en/spot...sin=B000J657DK
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post #1922 of 2560
3/6/11 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by amatot View Post

Normal mode. The visible difference between normal and full pixel is marginal at best - and the TV is set to Normal out-of-the-box anyway, meaning, it's been designed to operate in this fashion just fine. Overscan purists will rant about this and that, but just ask any of them what the percentage loss is in normal mode - most won't know.

Ok, thanks amatot. I am also noticing that skin tones are very washed out sometimes when watching cable TV shows. Is this probably more the feed than the TV? (I am using Omar's settings btw).

Also, my question earlier got lost in the shuffle. Why is it that wide angle shots in sports (i was watching basketball) seem rather unclear? I noticed that I can barely make out players numbers on their jersey during standard wide angle shots. Close-ups, however, look amazing.
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post #1923 of 2560
3/6/11 at 7:16pm
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Originally Posted by KennyPa View Post

Ok.. So my wife got the 55hx800 while I'm gone on "business". And I was wondering about TV stands. The one I have now is for a 32' lcd. I was looking for a new one but I need it to hold a pretty big center channel speaker from the Onkyo 1000 watt system I have on one of the shelfs. The current setup I have now with the 32 is the TV is on top of the center(real safe) lol. So I want to change that around and get a better and safer setup. Can you guys recommend me a stand? Pics would be nice too. I have a ps3, xbox360, wii, cable box and audio receiver. So I have to make this all fit. Also do any of you guys have any experiences with the Harmony One Remote with this TV. Like does it have all the button features and whatnot. Sorry for the lengthy post.

Don't know how much you want to spend, but for approx 1500 bucks the best piece of 'gear' I have is my solid ash (front/back/bottom & on casters too) rack from Standout Designs. They are a sponsor here & I fully expect to will this fine furniture to my daughter, it's built that good.
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post #1924 of 2560
3/6/11 at 9:17pm
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Originally Posted by mRak View Post

Ok, thanks amatot. I am also noticing that skin tones are very washed out sometimes when watching cable TV shows. Is this probably more the feed than the TV? (I am using Omar's settings btw).

Also, my question earlier got lost in the shuffle. Why is it that wide angle shots in sports (i was watching basketball) seem rather unclear? I noticed that I can barely make out players numbers on their jersey during standard wide angle shots. Close-ups, however, look amazing.

If quality HD feeds looks good in aggregate then there's not much you can for cable feeds unless you push everything up on the color level - you'll just have to take the time and strike an acceptable balance. Cable is finicky.

Play around with the motion flow settings to obtain the best sports performance to your own liking. We've been watching NBA games and they all look amazing so I can't much other than to say we use either Standard or Smooth for most everything and haven't settled on a tried and true. We toggle between both frequently...
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post #1925 of 2560
3/7/11 at 3:14am
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Originally Posted by indiglo View Post


Wow, I thought I was doing something nice. It's a 10 year old Sandisk Cruiser 256 MB.

I wasn't trying to be "clandestine" I did say it was a Sandisk 256 MB drive in my original post.

Mike

I missed that you did, sorry. I wasn't angry, more just befuddled.

Omar
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post #1926 of 2560
3/7/11 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by amatot View Post


Normal mode. The visible difference between normal and full pixel is marginal at best - and the TV is set to Normal out-of-the-box anyway, meaning, it's been designed to operate in this fashion just fine. Overscan purists will rant about this and that, but just ask any of them what the percentage loss is in normal mode - most won't know.

I believe it's somewhere between 12.5 and 15% ;-)

But you're right, to get rid of the annoying green line with cable one should use normal mode. But for DVD and BR i preter to use full pixel mode.

Did you try the other flick yet? I also recommend Never Let Me Go.

Omar
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post #1927 of 2560
3/7/11 at 6:31am
Does anyone have the discrete ON code for this tv. I have played around with all the codes out there have have found just about all codes except the Discrete ON.
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post #1928 of 2560
3/7/11 at 7:14am
Thanks for the responses! You guys know your stuff.

What do you all recommend for power protection? I have been looking at the Cyber Power 1010HT or the Monster HTS850. Are either of these sufficient?
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post #1929 of 2560
3/7/11 at 8:47am
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Originally Posted by OmarF View Post

I believe it's somewhere between 12.5 and 15% ;-)

But you're right, to get rid of the annoying green line with cable one should use normal mode. But for DVD and BR i preter to use full pixel mode.

Did you try the other flick yet? I also recommend Never Let Me Go.

Omar

Pop in your D-V-E disc Bro and check things out with the Overscan pattern. You'll be shocked.
I won't spoil the fun but your way off, on the high side of things. If you stop and think about it, anything north of 10% is huge amount of picture info gone bye-bye.

Haven't watched the other movie yet; we came away so impressed with the way Let Me In was done that we don't want to ruin it by watching the original one just yet...but it is on the list.

I might actually watch Let Me In a second time in the coming months just cuz...
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post #1930 of 2560
3/7/11 at 9:57am
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Originally Posted by mRak View Post

Thanks for the responses! You guys know your stuff.

What do you all recommend for power protection? I have been looking at the Cyber Power 1010HT or the Monster HTS850. Are either of these sufficient?

Monster makes good stuff, just be sure to shop it - their list prices tend to be outrageous. Don't know anything about Cyber...sorry.
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post #1931 of 2560
3/7/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by mRak View Post

Thanks for the responses! You guys know your stuff.

What do you all recommend for power protection? I have been looking at the Cyber Power 1010HT or the Monster HTS850. Are either of these sufficient?

Any surge protector will do. No need to spend over 30 unless your area has a history of power surges and brown outs.
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post #1932 of 2560
3/7/11 at 4:43pm
12.5 - 15% would mean cropping all the way into the green area of the attached image/test pattern. Losing a few lines of pixels is something on the order of ~ 1 - 2% (worst-case) in Normal mode on this set.
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post #1933 of 2560
3/7/11 at 5:21pm
Is anyone else noticing lip sync issues when using this TV with an AV receiver? I have a Pioneer VSX 1020K receiver and I have motionflow set to Standard. I noticed it moreso when playing a blu ray on my ps3. It might have just been the movie I played (Step Brothers) because I don't notice it at all when streaming netflix from the ps3 or watching cable. My workaround for the time being was to set a 2 frame audio delay.
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post #1934 of 2560
3/7/11 at 7:03pm
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Originally Posted by thaxphenomx View Post

Is anyone else noticing lip sync issues when using this TV with an AV receiver? I have a Pioneer VSX 1020K receiver and I have motionflow set to Standard. I noticed it moreso when playing a blu ray on my ps3. It might have just been the movie I played (Step Brothers) because I don't notice it at all when streaming netflix from the ps3 or watching cable. My workaround for the time being was to set a 2 frame audio delay.

Yes. I've been using game mode to deal with it. I'm wondering if faster hdmi cables or maybe a purpose built blu ray player will fix this. It's annoying as hell to not be able to use Cinema mode.



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Originally Posted by ROMMEL650 View Post

Recently bought an HX800, a new PS3 slim, and a Denon 791. I've got them hooked up with ps3 running hdmi to the AVR and then HDMI from AVR to the TV. I absolutely love this TV and the PQ on movies like Bolt and Avatar is ridiculous.

I am having a problem though on certain movies. Blade Runner Final Cut has horrible audio lag in cinema mode. If I take Blade Runner out and put Avatar in the audio is perfect. Put Blade Runner back in and it's lagging again. This happens with other movies as well like the rental version of Red. If I put the TV in game mode the audio is perfectly in sync or close enough where I can watch the movie without noticing it.

Is this a source issue, an HDMI issue, PS3 issue, or TV issue? Will spending $100-$150 on an HDMI cable solve this issue? I've tried shutting the tv off and turning it back on to try and sync and that only worked once and that was for an on demand movie from Xfinity.

Thanks for any help. I did try searching by the way but I didn't see any posts that mention this problem with certain movies.
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post #1935 of 2560
3/7/11 at 7:46pm
So, I just found out a downside to the BRAVIA Sync HDMI control system in the TV. If you have an AV receiver connected to the TV, anytime you put the TV in Cinema mode it turns on the AV Receiver. I typically use my TV's speakers unless i am watching something that warrants my full audio system. I have yet to figure out how to disable this so I have turned off the HDMI control for the time being.

Anyone find a way around this?

Edit: Found my answer at this link if anyone is interested. http://esupport.sony.com/referencebo...raviasync.html Unfortunately it appears there is no way to avoid automatically switching to your AVR if you press the theater button.
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post #1936 of 2560
3/7/11 at 8:15pm
@thaxphenomx are you running your PS3 on bitstream or Linear PCM? I just put in Step Brothers and it only lags if I put it on bitstream. If I keep the PS3 on linear PCM and let the AVR decode the audio the sync is perfect. I still don't have an answer for Blade Runner or Red tho other than Game Mode.
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post #1937 of 2560
3/7/11 at 8:28pm
Yeah I'm using bitstream but I want the receiver to decode the audio. That's one of the reasons I bought the receiver. I set auto delay on my receiver but that doesn't seem to make a difference. This seems strange that this is happening. You would think most people would hook this tv up to a high end sound system. Frustrating.
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post #1938 of 2560
3/7/11 at 8:42pm
Ya that's why I'm trying to figure out which piece is the cause. If it's the PS3 I'll buy a stand alone Blu Ray player, but I'm kind of vested in the receiver and TV at this point.

Edit: just caught this

If you want the receiver to decode the audio shouldn't you have it set to linear PCM? If you use bitstream the PS3 is decoding the audio and sending it to your receiver as dts hd/ whatever. Linear PCM gets sent as a multi ch PCM and the receiver decodes it.
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post #1939 of 2560
3/7/11 at 9:23pm
I'm pretty sure you've got it backwards. Sending bitstream allows the receiver to decode audio and thus lighting up dts dd. The ps3 decodes to PCM.
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post #1940 of 2560
3/8/11 at 12:37am
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Originally Posted by thaxphenomx View Post

I'm pretty sure you've got it backwards. Sending bitstream allows the receiver to decode audio and thus lighting up dts dd. The ps3 decodes to PCM.

Yup i did. Bitstream still lags way more than Linear for me. Sucks cuz I like seeing the HD come up on the avr.
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post #1941 of 2560
3/8/11 at 8:08am
What I've done for now is set the audio delay on my receiver. My receiver has an auto delay but it didn't seem to work with Step Brothers, I'll try a couple more movies today. Setting a manual audio delay works but then I have to change it back when switching to Netflix streaming....uggghh. Anyone else have any insight??
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post #1942 of 2560
3/8/11 at 8:58am
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Originally Posted by JB15364 View Post

Here's some context for the purchase of my new KDL55HX800:

I have been to CES several times and I was there during Pioneer's last year. I also saw the last Kuro Demo at CES with the infinite black one of the best demos of all time (just ask engadget). Suffice to say I work in the CE industry and I do a lot of research before buying electronics.

I can definitely say I am very pleased by the HX800. I got the 55" and coming from a SXRD, this is a great step up.

I considered the following TVs all aprox. 55":

Samsung UN55C8000
Panasonic VT25 GT25
Sony NX810 HX800 EX700 (to be fair I only considered the EX because it was a 60")

I needed a new TV because I am about to move into a studio and the SXRD was too fat.

I really wanted the NX in the beginning but it was going to cost a little more than I wanted to pay. I am In school right now but I am getting a nice tax return.

The VT was costly as well and it had an uphill battle against my Sony bias. My gf likes LED because they are thinner and they produce less heat. In a big room, or house, the heat and thickness may not matter but in a 500sqft. studio it can be significant.

In the end a Sony is just a bit sexier than a Samsung; after all, technology is art. *heavy editorializing detected*

The EX just didn't look as nice and the blacks weren't as good. Granted this was at a best buy so I did not give much weight to this.

I'll post pics and a more comprehensive analysis of the HX once I spend a bit more time with it.

My thinking process was similar to yours (I have the 40" HX8000). It was between a 42" panasonic plasma and this, heat/Enviro was a consideration but not a deal breaker. Like yourself, I like nice Electronics, so I did some footwork here at AVS and in the stores to ensure I got something I'd like- I have been casually sampling PQ at various places for a long time, the KDL HX8000 40 was my first "Big/Flat Screen", I was coming to this from a 24" Sony Wega Trinitron and I decided to stay with Sony, I always thought they make really good TV's. The Menus are pretty deep and there was a learning curve, but I'm very happy with the performance now. I've seen enough HD flat screens to know this is in the upper tier of what is on the market.
I suppose I have had, and maybe this forum has little of a bias towards not using certain functions and processing alot of the sets offer. For myself I'm taking a "if it looks better, do it" appraoch. One thing I found was using Motionflow on either Clear 1 or Standard setting really helps snap things on certain TV channels and SD DVD's.
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post #1943 of 2560
3/8/11 at 10:22am
OmarF, is there any good way for someone new to calibrating to adjust grayscale if you DONT have the 3D kit?
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post #1944 of 2560
3/8/11 at 11:37am
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Originally Posted by ROMMEL650 View Post

Yup i did. Bitstream still lags way more than Linear for me. Sucks cuz I like seeing the HD come up on the avr.

I tested a couple more movies today and I'm getting the same results as you. When I set the PS3 to bitstream the audio comes out a few frames ahead of video. When I switch to Linear PCM it's sync'ed up perfectly. It makes sense because with Linear PCM the PS3 is decoding both the audio and video so they are in sync. I'm thinking the lip sync issue would be fixed with a standalone blu ray player. I would guess it's an issue with the PS3.
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post #1945 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:08pm
I tried step brothers last night with bitstream, and tried to set the delay. I went from 60ms to 120ms and at 120ms it's watchable but it got to the point where all I was doing was watching for lip syncing. Probably switch back to linear and just suffer with no HD light on the receiver. Do you have Blade Runner the final cut or RED? Both those movies have lag even on linear PCM. I have to switch to game mode to watch those.
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post #1946 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:18pm
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Originally Posted by ROMMEL650 View Post
I tried step brothers last night with bitstream, and tried to set the delay. I went from 60ms to 120ms and at 120ms it's watchable but it got to the point where all I was doing was watching for lip syncing. Probably switch back to linear and just suffer with no HD light on the receiver. Do you have Blade Runner the final cut or RED? Both those movies have lag even on linear PCM. I have to switch to game mode to watch those.
Are you HDMI direct to TV for vid and ToSlink to AVR for audio?
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post #1947 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:19pm
I have been enjoying my 55HX800 for the last month but have been running into a issue that is annoying me. Did some searches on the thread but I don't know what to call the problem.

So on various scenes of movies/TV show (source is PC over HDMI), I get this effect that the screen darkens and lightens (going to really watch for it tonight to see if it is the whole screen or just portions), I think this must be the dynamic LED effect but it is very noticeable and doesn't seem smooth.

I have the ambient sensor off and the LED Dynamic Control is set to standard.

Here are my HX800 settings. Link
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post #1948 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by amatot

Are you HDMI direct to TV for vid and ToSlink to AVR for audio?
I think he has the same same setup as me. I have hdmi to avr for both audio and video. Ps3 is connected to avr with one hdmi cable and hdmi out from avr to tv.
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post #1949 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:40pm
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Originally Posted by rishid View Post
I have been enjoying my 55HX800 for the last month but have been running into a issue that is annoying me. Did some searches on the thread but I don't know what to call the problem.

So on various scenes of movies/TV show (source is PC over HDMI), I get this effect that the screen darkens and lightens (going to really watch for it tonight to see if it is the whole screen or just portions), I think this must be the dynamic LED effect but it is very noticeable and doesn't seem smooth.

I have the ambient sensor off and the LED Dynamic Control is set to standard.

Here are my HX800 settings. Link
Your linked settings show Ambient Sensor as "on" btw...

That said, you have everything essentially off. Tick down your LED Dynamic Control and see what happens...if you still see the phenomenon than it's something on the PC side of the equation. What video card are you using btw?
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post #1950 of 2560
3/8/11 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by thaxphenomx View Post
I think he has the same same setup as me. I have hdmi to avr for both audio and video. Ps3 is connected to avr with one hdmi cable and hdmi out from avr to tv.
OK thanks.

Don't let the PS3 decode sh!t. Pass it over to the AVR for that task. And make sure your AVR's aren't adding any post processing to the video stream.
PS3 -> AVR -> TV shouldn't have lip syncing issues unless one or more of the chained components is doing some "extra" work.
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