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post #301 of 2600
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Originally Posted by bontrager View Post


I got the deal which included 2 pair of glasses + emitter+ an excellent home theater system (at no charge); it was too good to pass up.

I already had the 55HX800 before Sony started the deal.

I said the same thing, it was too good to pass up. So, I got the 46 for the bedroom.

The Audio Return Channel is a favorite.
post #302 of 2600
For someone that could care less about 3D, is the HX800 worth looking into? My main concern is PQ for blu-ray movies and gaming.
post #303 of 2600
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Originally Posted by Mferrari View Post

For someone that could care less about 3D, is the HX800 worth looking into? My main concern is PQ for blu-ray movies and gaming.

Absolutely, it is much better than the XBR9 from last year...so far. From what I can gather so far is that even though every major company has 3D TV's this year, they are those respective companies best models for 2D.
post #304 of 2600
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Originally Posted by theblackkeys View Post

Absolutely, it is much better than the XBR9 from last year...so far. From what I can gather so far is that even though every major company has 3D TV's this year, they are those respective companies best models for 2D.

+1 I agree I don't own one yet but I am planning to get the 46HX800, I have seen it 3 times already and played around with it's menu and settings. WOW the black level is amazing, love it. As a 2D TV this TV rocks but that is a plus because I know there is no a lot of content for 3D besides Directv channels and 3 blurays available in 3D, but it is a no brainer, I thought the TV looked great in 3D when I was watching Cloudy with a chance....Meatballs.
I so no flicker and crosstalk very, very little. I want to upgrade my 42v4100 Sony (selling it to a friend) and was looking to upsize to a 46, so why not kill 2 birds with one stone and get a Excellent 2D TV that will play 3D content, I am loving the TV already and I don't even own it. I am also a Sony fanboy lol.
post #305 of 2600
The Sony 46HX800 is a great set. I recently purchased one myself. I was fortunate to get a bundle that included a Sony BDP-S570 3D Blu Ray player and HT setup. The bundle also included 3 sets of 3D glasses and the 3D transmitter. Granted the HT setup is not audiophile quality but it does a decent job especially given that it works well with Sony's Bravia Sync.

I tell you this for several reasons....1. The KDL 46HX800 is only 3D Ready...so you must purchase the transmitter. 2. Yes the KDL 46HX890 will convert program material to 3D...but it's only simulated and not true 3D. 3. The equipment bundle I described will add another $500 (transmitter and 2 pair of 3D glasses) - $1000 (the complete bundle) to the cost if purchased separately. I purchased mine from Nebraska Furniture Mart. Best Buy has a similar bundle but be sure to check which set and player are offered.

Bottom-line.... buy the KDL-46HX800 you won't be disappointed (it's even better with a bundle of some type). One last point...turn the sharpness setting all the way down you'll get a picture with less artifacts.

Now...does anyone know the calibration specs so I can complete my setup before I buy a copy of HD Basics Video Essentials...I lost my copy in a move? Thanks!
post #306 of 2600
is anyone having problem with 3d signal cutting in and out on kdl55hx800 thru a pioneer vsx-920 recieiver? im using hdmi 1.4 cables, i tried 3 different kinds of hdmi cables and the 3d signal always cuts out if its thru the reciever, it works fine directly connected to tv, but not thru the reciever, i end up getting the no input message or even a flash message that says unsupported signal, this only occurs during 3d playback via ps3. all 2d stuff works fine thru the reciever.
post #307 of 2600
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Originally Posted by jaxxs View Post

is anyone having problem with 3d signal cutting in and out on kdl55hx800 thru a pioneer vsx-920 recieiver? im using hdmi 1.4 cables, i tried 3 different kinds of hdmi cables and the 3d signal always cuts out if its thru the reciever, it works fine directly connected to tv, but not thru the reciever, i end up getting the no input message or even a flash message that says unsupported signal, this only occurs during 3d playback via ps3. all 2d stuff works fine thru the reciever.

Looks like someone else on Amazon is having a PS3 issue also with your receiver
http://www.amazon.com/review/R3RVUIH...cm_cr_rdp_perm
post #308 of 2600
I have a Pioneer vsx-520 and 3d works perfectly from the ps3 thru the receiver.
post #309 of 2600
Hello all....

Just took home the 55HX800 and have to say that I am impressed. I replaced a Pioneer Elite 1140 50" plasma and was not expecting to have black levels close to the Pioneer. While the Sony is just as black, there are some drawbacks such as the clouding due to edge lit LED. I just don't have the patience to wait 2 years for backlit LED to hit the market. Overall, this panel is impressive and sports a viewing angle that is superior to the Samsung B750 panel I have in the living room. I was only expecting the Sony to be a bit better than the Samsung flagship from last year, but the difference is tremendous. The contrast and shadow detail of the Sony is nothing short of amazing for an LCD. I think the 2 main drawbacks are the issues that come with edge lighting and the price; at just over 3 grand this panel is expensive. I contemplated CCFL vs. LED and Samsung vs. Sony, but I wasn't impressed with the technology gain in CCFL over the year, and I didn't feel like playing the Samsung panel lottery. Overall, I think this is a great panel, but just a tad expensive. As far as 3D...... I don't give a rip at this point. I was an early adopter on plasma and bought the first panasonic 480p 42" panel several years back (paying almost 5 grand!) and look where we are now. IMHO, if you are truly interested in 3D, wait a few years because what we see now with 3D technology won't compare to a panel 2 or 3 generations from today. As far as 2D, I think this will be one of the top panels of 2010.
post #310 of 2600
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Originally Posted by Jugdish69 View Post

I just don't have the patience to wait 2 years for backlit LED to hit the market.

????

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Originally Posted by Jugdish69 View Post

I was only expecting the Sony to be a bit better than the Samsung flagship from last year, but the difference is tremendous.

Last years flagship product from Samsung was the 8500, not the 750.
post #311 of 2600
CCFL is backlit across the panel, current LED tech is side lit......

The 750 was Samsungs flagship CCFL panel, and it has much better uniformity than the 8500......
post #312 of 2600
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Originally Posted by Jugdish69 View Post

CCFL is backlit across the panel, current LED tech is side lit......

No, current LED tech is both side and back lit and has been for a couple of years. The Samsung B8500, Sony XBR8/HX909, Vizio XVT series, LG 8500/9500/LH90/LHX and others are all back lit by a full grid array of LED's.

Currently, the Sony HX800 is side lit and the HX909 is back lit with LED's.
post #313 of 2600
Well, you can definitely tell this is side lit LED... After watching dark night, I can't see myself keeping this panel. It may be a defective panel, but there is terrible clouding and light bleed on the lower left corner. Can't justify living with that kind of anomaly for the price.
post #314 of 2600
Can someone test the HX800 for Input lag? I think many gamers would be helpful to know.
Maybe someone play PS3 on it? What is your impression? Is this model good for games?
post #315 of 2600
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Originally Posted by jc.ua View Post

Can someone test the HX800 for Input lag? I think many gamers would be helpful to know.
Maybe someone play PS3 on it? What is your impression? Is this model good for games?

Yesterday, I played both MotorStorm 3D and Wipeout 3D on the Sony HX800 for about 90 minutes. Proud to say I finally came in 1st in a racing game; not bad for a 63 year old.

I did not notice ANY input lag only some ghosting on the in game menus.

I throughly enjoyed playing these game in 3D and looking forward to Grand Turismo 5 (3D) in a few months and, of course, Crysis 2.
post #316 of 2600
My 46HX800 is on the way, looking forward to putting it through it's paces. Will be using a STR-DG1000 receiver as the switching unit, with Bluray, DVD, 360 and DishHD as sources. Looking forward to seeing how much better this set looks compared to my LONG IN THE TOOTH, Westinghouse LVM-42w2.
post #317 of 2600
Been reading this entire thread and the complimenting, dedicated HX909 thread as well, since I'm contemplating upgrading my KDL-46XBR2 to something bigger and newer. As many so keenly point out, 3D is in it's infancy, so don't expect mind-blowing perfection on that front and DO expect the tech to improve over the next several years. For me, 3D isn't a deal maker or breaker on this purchase cycle, PQ is. Frankly, I could care less about 3D. It's novelty IMHO. Cool, but sort of a fad.

That said, I'd like to volley some food for thought, since "clouding" yet again comes up in relation to Sony or more appropriately, in relation to LCD televisions. Here's some inside info and general knowledge for your edification: All the major players are moving to 'deep black', anti-glare and monolithic designs to not only improve the perception of black levels & color contrast but also to mitigate the detection of clouding. Clouding has absolutely nothing to do with edge lighting versus backlighting; it has everything to do with the nature of LCD panel design, with "liquid" being the key operative word here and the inability to uniformly control the suspension of said liquid to the level of perfection we might expect from something so expensive and high-tech. Clouding is more prevalent and most easily viewed off angle, in combination with certain lighting conditions. ALL LCD panels exhibit some level of clouding, it's inherent in the design. The bigger the panel, the bigger the phenomenon. The prob is, it's inconsistent and highly subjective (from the viewers perspective) at the same time. No matter if it's cold-cathode or LED backlighting, the tricks the mfg's use to diminish the "perception" are engineering fact. Dynamic dimming, localized dimming, sure those things are there to enhance blacklevels and contrast but clouding is a lack of uniformity in the physical process control of going black - so light source tricks also aid in cloud control.

So what's my point?

Clouding is variable but generally present and perceivable on ALL LCD panel televisions, learn to accept it and enjoy the show - so to speak. My 46XBR2 has clouding that from normal viewing positions is minimal at it's worst. It's affected by temperature, ambient light, run-time and program dynamic range - as is the corner flashlighting. Sony even did firmware upgrades/tweaks to diminish the perception of clouding on this series and the rest of the XBRs to follow. If you play with the HX800 and turn off all the bells and whistles, plus view it off angle, you'll see clouding as well, it just hides a tad bit better behind the darker exterior surfaces (if you will...) of these newer sets.

There's no such thing as a cloud-free LCD television. There are some panels built closer to perfection than others but they are ALL inherently prone to clouding. It boils down to liquids folks. Don't like it? Do plasma.

Thanks to everyone that's contributed in these two threads, your experiences have helped me a lot in evaluating these newest Sony sets.
post #318 of 2600
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Originally Posted by amatot View Post

been reading this entire thread and the complimenting, dedicated hx909 thread as well, since i'm contemplating upgrading my kdl-46xbr2 to something bigger and newer. As many so keenly point out, 3d is in it's infancy, so don't expect mind-blowing perfection on that front and do expect the tech to improve over the next several years. For me, 3d isn't a deal maker or breaker on this purchase cycle, pq is. Frankly, i could care less about 3d. It's novely imho. Cool, but sort of a fad.

That said, i'd like to volley some food for thought, since "clouding" yet again comes up in relation to sony or more appropriately, in relation to lcd televisions. Here's some inside info and general knowledge for your edification: All the major players are moving to 'deep black', anti-glare and monolithic designs to not only improve the perception of black levels & color contract but also to mitigate the detection of clouding. Clouding has absolutely nothing to do with edge lighting versus backlighting; it has everything to do with the nature of lcd panel design, with "liquid" being the key operative word here and the inability to uniformly control the suspension of said liquid to the level of perfection we might expect from something so expensive and high-tech. Clouding is more prevalent and most easily viewed off angle, in combination with certain lighting conditions. All lcd panels exhibit some level clouding, it's inherent in the design. The bigger the panel, the bigger the phenomenon. The prob is, it's inconsistent and highly subjective (from the viewers perspective) at the same time. No matter if it's cold-cathode or led backlighting, the tricks the mfg's use to diminish the "perception" are engineering fact. Dynamic dimming, localized dimming, sure those things are there to enhance blacklevels and contrast but clouding is a lack of uniformity in the physical process control of going black - so light source tricks also aid in cloud control.

So what's my point?

Clouding is variable but generally present and perceivable on all lcd panel televisions, learn to accept it and enjoy the show - so to speak. My 46xbr2 has clouding that from normal viewing positions is minimal at it's worst. It's affected by temperature, ambient light, run-time and program dynamic range - as is the corner flashlighting. Sony even did firmware upgrades/tweaks to diminish the perception of clouding on this series and the rest of the xbrs to follow. If you play with the hx800 and turn off all the bells and whistles, plus view it off angle, you'll see clouding as well, it just hides a tad bit better behind the darker exteriors of these newer sets.

There's no such thing as a cloud-free lcd television. There are some panels built closer to perfection than others but they are all inherently prone to clouding. It boils down to liquids folks. Don't like it? Do plasma.

Thanks to everyone that's contributed in these two threads, your experiences have helped me a lot in evaluating these newest sony sets.

+1
post #319 of 2600
Does anyone have any idea when the 40" hx800 will appear at Best Buy and/or Frys?

Its like the 40" just got lost in the mail!
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post #321 of 2600
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Originally Posted by dave0holla View Post

from flat panel:

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1281011605

Good stuff! Thanks for posting that.
post #322 of 2600
Got mine 55HX800 a couple of weeks ago, here are some impressions:
1. Picture quality is great, the blacks are very nice as compared to my 32" CFL LCD. A lot has been said about this, so let's just say I'm happy with the picture.
2. 3D is actually better than expected: this is based on the 4 games you get on the PS3, I can see how 3D will be very interesting for gaming. I did not notice crosstalk, but then again these are games. You will start seeing double as soon as you tilt your head, I guess that's the way Sony designed their polarizing features, so sit straight up when watching 3D. And I mean straight up, because even a 5 degree tilt will make you see double.
3. 3D glasses are more comfortable than expected, but still bulky. They feel comfortable on my nose, but hurt my ears a bit. Will have to find a good adjustment.
4. 2D to 3D conversion sucks, especially when you've seen true 3D. I tried it on a few shows and a few games, and it almost seems like you're crossing your eyes when watching, you almost start being disoriented. More work is needed there. Or maybe I need new contacts. Either way, this feature is useless to me.
5. A bit of flashlighting and clouding. I actually returned my first HX800 and got a second one: the flashlighting on the second is much less, but in return I have a tiny bit more clouding. Can't win, it seems, but thankfully it is not that noticeable when watching darker movies, you really have to be anal and point it out to people. It doesn't detract from watching TV and movies, and that's all I was looking for
6. Internet stuff: Netflix works great, I wish HD quality was better. As well, it seems to only show your instant queue, no way to search (but maybe I'm overlooking something...the PS3 allows to browse movies easily).
7. Internet stuff part 2: The Michael Jackson videos are horrible in quality, why even put that on? Why does it get its own icon? Does Sony own the rights to Michael Jackson stuff...? Looks like someone took an old VCR and made a digital transfer using a 286 desktop.
post #323 of 2600
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Originally Posted by amatot View Post




There's no such thing as a cloud-free LCD television. There are some panels built closer to perfection than others but they are ALL inherently prone to clouding. It boils down to liquids folks. Don't like it? Do plasma.

I'd have to say that the HX800 at a street price around $3k has too much flashlighting and clouding for the price point. However, I only notice it in a "theater" environment with the room completely dark. With ambient light, it is barely noticeable. Issue I have is that I am replacing a theater room panel, and thus can't live with the drawbacks of the side lit LED. I have a samsung b750 in my living room (ccfl) and notice almost zero clouding or flashlighting in total darkness.....
post #324 of 2600
I have had this TV for about a month now. Have noticed some cloudiness but not enough to make me disappointing. As I know it LCD and it will have some. It depends really on the movie and the lighting. Picture in 2d is awesome, the 3-D games on the PS3 are great, Avatar PS3 game is also 3-D stereo you just have to manually set it up, and it looks great. 3D conversion is ok, some better then others, Avatar Blu-Ray looked great, College Football 11 for PS3 looks good as well. You almost need 1080p content for this to look good.

Ok now a few things I have an issue with and I hope some of the other owners can let me know if they have the same issues.

1. I have 3 Inputs turned on the TV, HDMI 1 (PS3), Component 1(Dish), and Component 2 (Xbox 360). I have the TV tuner turned off and all of the other inputs as well. After a long off period usually overnight, when I turn on the TV it turns on on TV Antenna input which I have turned off, so it starts on an input with a snow screen. This confused my logitech remote when I turn it on so I never get to the right input unless I manually change it.

2. Quick start mode, I turned this on and sometime when I power up the Tv i get no display, I need to power cycle it to get it back on.

Anyone else experiencing these problems?
post #325 of 2600
Received my free 3-D movies today from Sony, now I just need the PS3 update. I also received the sony 3-d demo disc.
post #326 of 2600
my 3d flickers a lot, compared to 3d simulated. i am using the BDV-E770 receiver. i am watching cloudy with chance of meatballs/ocean movie/ and the demo sony 3d

anyone else having these issues?
post #327 of 2600
How is the glare on these sets?
I'm thinking about a 40" HX800, but I have a lamp directly across from it. It was annoying with my crt ages ago I like the pq of the 800, but I'm tempted to go with the ex700 to avoid reflections.
post #328 of 2600
I'm currently demo'ing a 55HX800 in my home. Our family/great room has 5 windows total, so there's lots of ambient light during the day (we have sheer curtains).
One of the windows is directly behind the sitting area of the set & in direct reflective angle of the screen and all I can say is this set handles reflection better than ANYTHING I've owned or tried that uses a shinny screen.

One thing to note, the deep black panel on this set mimicks the better plasmas (in screen character). What I mean by this is that this sets screen has an off purple character with bronze undertones that really absorbs a lot of reflections and ambient glare. It's impressive. I'm completely digging that aspect of this set thus far. Sammys and LG's were WAY TOO reflective for my tastes in our room configuration + even in the stores they looked like ass IMHO. One cool thing about this set versus the Opti screens of the more expensive XBR's is that this purple-ish coating handles the stray light better from what I can see. We went to a Frys yesterday which has massive warehouse FL lighting, or maybe its a sodium variation, not sure, but the 52 inch XBR909 looked dramatically worse in side by side comparison. The XBR909 doesn't have that purple-ish character to it, it's some other type of polarization tech. Whatever it is the reflectivity is worse being more mirror like and distracting. YMMV. They probably shouldn't have these sets next to each other if you ask me, because the roughly 1000 clam price difference/value proposition is greatly dimished. I bet they end up moving them further apart before the holiday shopping season kicks into gear.

Another side note, it would seem that XBR is some bastardized remnant branding gimmick by Sony now. With XBR classification you're getting monolithic/OPTI screen designs and either 60 inches of edge lit or 52 inches of full LED matrix. My personal opinion is that the 55HX800 is deserving of the XBR moniker by virtue of the picture quality and the guts, but it would appear that creates a bit of a marketing conflict and ends up relegating the HX800 to Jan Brady status in the Bravia line up, or better yet - the red-headed step child. If you ask me Sony screwed up with all these different designations. Fine by me, the dollars saved are better spent elsewhere. Either XBR needed a tier of its own or it should have just gone away, having lived out it's useful life - but this cross branding overlap with the LX and HX tiers seems lame - and confusing for many.

For me, here's what matters on Sony's 2010 offerings:

Bravia Engine 3
Motion Flow Pro
Dynamic Edge control (which is an absolute must with edge lighting that illuminates larger areas of the panel)

and this awesome Plasma like dark screen coating
post #329 of 2600
Superb response amatot.

I didn't even realise that these sets were not matte until my sales guy pointed it out.

When I bought my lcd there was the xbr1 and the cheap one. Now Sony is pushing a convoluted marketing nightmare. 33 options is far to many.
post #330 of 2600
Bought the 55inch version of this TV a couple days ago, and I have to say I am loving it so far. Picture looks great and like other posters have said, the finish on the screen makes reflections not as noticeable which is great since my house has tons of windows. 3D gaming is nothing short of amazing...

One annoying thing I've noticed though is that my internet widgets have disappeared and won't come back. When I try to refresh the internet widgets it says it's "acquiring internet content" but it will just sit on that screen for hours without acquiring any widgets. I tested my wireless internet connection to the TV and everything tests out OK. Is the Sony widget service down? Anyone else experiencing this problem?
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