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post #1 of 29
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I'm still in the middle of sizing up my VT20 I got friday night - so far it's sweet. One thing I'd like to do though is hook up computer, and output "real" 3D content that triggers the sets 3D mode. Basically, I need my 8000GTs in SLI to send infrared emitter data through the DVI port to the HDMI converter, and then to the HDMI port on the TV. Apparently this is exactly wht Nvidia 3DTV Play is for; it "softmods" the DVI port on supporting cards to the HDMI 1.4 standard, and sends the emitter sync data (from what I understand)

PowerDVD's conversions won't work, nor will games without this software using a Panny 3D Plasma.

So where is the dang software? I can't find Nvidia 3DTV play anywhere on the web, not even the nvidia site; I'm happy to pay the $39.99 for it.

Any one seen this stuff?
post #2 of 29
3DTV play does not emit any IR emitter data. The Panny 3D TV's built in IR emitter is controlled by the 3D TV itself.
I have not seen any indication that the 3DTV player has been released yet.
post #3 of 29
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Right, I get that. 3DTV play sends the necessary syncing data through HDMI to the Panasonic's emitter. But without that emitter stream, I can't sync the signal.

Example: I'm using the PowerDVD software to do a 2d>3d conversion of LOTR. The software is working great, and produces the familiar "double vision." But the Panasonic glasses won't even turn on because the set is not receiving the syncing information in the HDMI 1.4 signal. So as of right now, the 3D features of the GeForce drivers and the PowerDVD software are USELESS to me without a way to handshake between the 8800GT and the Panasonic emitter.
post #4 of 29
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Originally Posted by Abilor View Post

I'm still in the middle of sizing up my VT20 I got friday night - so far it's sweet. One thing I'd like to do though is hook up computer, and output "real" 3D content that triggers the sets 3D mode. Basically, I need my 8000GTs in SLI to send infrared emitter data through the DVI port to the HDMI converter, and then to the HDMI port on the TV. Apparently this is exactly wht Nvidia 3DTV Play is for; it "softmods" the DVI port on supporting cards to the HDMI 1.4 standard, and sends the emitter sync data (from what I understand)

PowerDVD's conversions won't work, nor will games without this software using a Panny 3D Plasma.

So where is the dang software? I can't find Nvidia 3DTV play anywhere on the web, not even the nvidia site; I'm happy to pay the $39.99 for it.

Any one seen this stuff?

The 3DTVs have their own IR emitter for the glasses and sync based on the content that is displaying. There is no need for the source device to send a sync signal, just a compatible 3D format.

The most common 3D format is side by side and right now your best bet is to just play back side by side content in any player you want and just set your TV manually side by side. Then the 3DTV will convert the side by side image to 3D and emit the proper sync signal for the glasses.

3D Blu-ray isn't side by side and but it requires special 3D Blu-ray playback software that isn't ready yet (afaik).

Not sure how 3D games work, sorry.
post #5 of 29
Thread Starter 
I'm not suggesting it send a sync "signal" as an actual IR emitter would, only what they're referring to on other forums as proper sequential stream rather than side by side.

I already know side by side is the most prevalent format. It's also SH1T! After 48 hours of testing, side-by-side is prone to ghosting and a host of other issues, whereas full bore HDMI 1.4 signals are beautiful, ghost-free stuff.

I don't want to have to manually set it side-by-side if I can avoid it; I want nvidia to get their ass in gear and release the software that allows my 8800GT SLI rig to send proper sequential stereo format to an HDMI 1.4 port.
post #6 of 29
I must have said it wrong the 3DTV player software send NO emitter synce signal. It sends 3D content in a HDMI 1.4 3D format which the 3D TV receives and process and when it displays it tells it's internal emitter to output a sync a signal to the glases every time it changes the output content from one eye to the other.
Only the new 3D BR players send full 1080p packed buffer 3D format. All the broadcasters/adapters send 3D in a 1/2 R format such as SbS or TnB or checkerboard.
The standard Nvidia 3D player sends 3D in 720p/30 frame sequential format for games or for 3D video and depends on the fact that the TV/display and the PC are synching on the 60Hz power line signal for the emitter signal that comes with the Nvidai 3D player kit.
post #7 of 29
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Originally Posted by bdraw View Post


3D Blu-ray isn't side by side and but it requires special 3D Blu-ray playback software that isn't ready yet (afaik).

Not sure how 3D games work, sorry.

Arcsoft TMT will play 3D BD. Came out in the last few weeks.
post #8 of 29
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post

Arcsoft TMT will play 3D BD. Came out in the last few weeks.

This only works with checkerboard output or NVIDIA 3D Vision displays.

HDMI 1.4 Blu-ray 3D framepacked format output is currently not working since the NVIDIA 3DTV Play driver is not released to consumers. This is the ONLY scenario for movie watching that requires this driver.

To OP: The reason you are seeing ghosting is because of a ****** 2D->3D conversion being done by Cyberlink. I saw SbS using content on my flash drive at Best Buy and there was no more ghosting than the MvA at the time of testing.
post #9 of 29
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Originally Posted by peter0328 View Post

This only works with checkerboard output or NVIDIA 3D Vision displays.

HDMI 1.4 Blu-ray 3D framepacked format output is currently not working since the NVIDIA 3DTV Play driver is not released to consumers. This is the ONLY scenario for movie watching that requires this driver.

To OP: The reason you are seeing ghosting is because of a ****** 2D->3D conversion being done by Cyberlink. I saw SbS using content on my flash drive at Best Buy and there was no more ghosting than the MvA at the time of testing.

Gotcha.

yeah, it's sequential frame packing at 1080p, or its just not 3D. Tired of SbS.
post #10 of 29
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Originally Posted by peter0328 View Post

HDMI 1.4 Blu-ray 3D framepacked format output is currently not working since the NVIDIA 3DTV Play driver is not released to consumers.

Then who is it currently released to and how is it installed by the company(s) that it is released to on the user's PC?
post #11 of 29
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Then who is it currently released to and how is it installed by the company(s) that it is released to on the user's PC?

I think it comes free when you buy an nvidia built box or laptop. It is not available for purchase as a standalone kit... yet.

Probably in the next coming weeks. Yesterday isn't soon enough as far as I'm concerned; their tour of the tech was over in May I think.
post #12 of 29
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Then who is it currently released to and how is it installed by the company(s) that it is released to on the user's PC?

Arcsoft and Cyberlink have the driver for their internal testing and software development. No end user has access to the 3DTV Play software at the current moment.
post #13 of 29
That makes sense since if 3DTV player does not work with their yet to be released software in makes no sense to make 3DTV player software available to the public,
post #14 of 29
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

That makes sense since if 3DTV player does not work with their yet to be released software in makes no sense to make 3DTV player software available to the public,

The problem right now is Arcsoft has released the plugin for TMT that interfaces with the 3DTV Play driver and now NVIDIA has not released the driver for use to the public. This led to about a week of people complaining to Arcsoft about how it wasn't working while Arcsoft said it worked on their end (since they didn't realize the drivers were not out yet).
post #15 of 29
I'm in the midst of building my 3d home setup and am coming across the bottleneck of the checkerboard format being required for my Mitsubishi 3D ready rearpro TV WD-73C9.

I've got/getting:
- Nvidia 240GT (can perform 3D decoding on GPU)
- Cyberlink PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3d (Can output in chkbrd as is)
- Optoma DLP link glasses

So from what I understand, I can watch 3D bluray, 2D DVD's converted to 3D with PDVD, but PC gaming is missing from this equation right?

Am I understanding that once 3DTV Play comes out I can output games as well since my 240GT is a Nvision 3D GPU? Will it output checkerboard? If not, is the last piece to the puzzle a Mitsubishi 3DC-1000 1.4 to 1.3 HDMI adapter to generate the checkerboard pattern. Why can't the Nvidia driver just handle this as another mode? It seems more than powerful enough

Any feeback or advice on my setup? Am I headed down the right path with the H/W I have?(limited to TV and DLP link glasses)
post #16 of 29
Do you have the 3D Vision kit? If you do, you can play 3D games on it now.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html
post #17 of 29
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Originally Posted by almostinsane View Post

Do you have the 3D Vision kit? If you do, you can play 3D games on it now.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/3d-visi...uirements.html

He already has his own glasses though, like me. Why pay $199 for gear when all you want is the $40 driver?
post #18 of 29
Right, I agree and I'm in the same boat. I misread his post as he was already trying to get this working.
post #19 of 29
Thread Starter 
Cool.

Sigh. Where is this software?
post #20 of 29
FYI: Got my 3D DLP Link glasses at a good price here: $81
http://www.projectorzone.com/Optoma-BG-ZD101-3D-Glasses

I'll post here when I get them going and a review of sorts. Hope this helps my fellow early adopters

PS: Still awaiting feedback on my post above and the 'checkerboard dilemma'
post #21 of 29
I don't know how the NVIDIA 3D Vision driver handles 3D without using their glasses exactly. Your best bet is to just try it with the DLP Link glasses and if it doesn't work try it with the 3D Vision glasses.
post #22 of 29
From the followiing it appears that 3D player and 3DtV player are starting to be merged into a single product.

http://www.nvidia.com/object/NV-3DVision-Nascar.html
post #23 of 29
Setup update: I just picked up these two receivers:

Pioneer vsx-1020-k - HDMI 1.4a compliant so ready for all 3D mediums, Home Theater w/soon to be upgraded Acer H5360 3D ready projector with HTPC with PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3D. This is a sweet, sweet 7.1 receiver, networked, OSD GUI, IPhone/Ipod compat., Bluetooth w/ optional adapter, 5 HDMIs, great audio capabilities

Pioneer vsx-820-k - HDMI 1.4a compliant so ready for all 3D mediums, Living room with my 73" Mitsu WD-73C9, HTPC with PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3D. Best bang for your buck 1.4a 5.1 receiver right now.

About to fire up a Bluray 3d in the Living room! Tried the 2D to 3D using Jurassic Park standard DVD and found you do get a stereoscopic effect though have to use the slider to back it down a bit. Using the Optoma DLP link glasses.

Got the 1020 for $450 and the 820 for $275 from Best Buy using price match from B&H photo for the 820. The 1020 I actually haggled a local retailer 6 Ave. electronics to $450, paid, had to wait for shipment and another trip to pick up. Went to BB for the 820, saw the 1020 on the shelf and said match this and I buy both. They did and I got em!

Can't wait for more Bluray 3D to come out!!!
post #24 of 29
Any issues like losing sync, ghosting, or vertical rainbows with the optomas? I'm having rainbow issues with x102s viewing a mits c9 so may try optomas.
post #25 of 29
Waiting for a true bluray 3d disc to really give it a test. Does anyone know where I can get true 3d material online to test that will play through PowerDVD Ultra 10 3d so that it will spit out in checkerboard? I may just buy Cloudy WACOMeatballs to try this out, though have to wait for the 'Mark II' update from Cyberlink first I tried watching Jurassic Park DVD with the 2D to 3D emulation and had to back down the effect to the low/lowest point to not feel disoriented. This feature borders on gimmicky in my mind though just a brief try. Anyone have any other good use of this feature? DVD used?

Found this 3D Ready projector w/ Free Screen and mount, thinking about it for my HT room:
Viewsonic PJD6531w DLP 3-D Projector Seen it for as low as ~$660 street

Rebate info for screen and mount NOTE: Elite screens is out of stock on on the mounts or low and has put that rebate on hold (bull$hit) Rebate Form and hold notice
post #26 of 29
According to posts on NVidia forums the 3DTV play feature is now partly included in the v260 beta drivers.

Basicly you need to have:
- the NVidia 3d vision emitter connected to PC so that the 3D vision can be enabled
- You use the 3DTV own 3D glasses not NVidia
- PC game resolution needs to be 720p

People have gotten it to work at lest Panasonic plasmas and Samsung 3dtv's

http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?s...&#entry1121327
post #27 of 29
Why would you need the Nvidia emitter for the 3dtv play software to work? If thats true thats absolutely brutal.

The point of this software is to use your TV's hardware (emitter/glasses). The software is supposed to be available at some point to consumers as a standalone purchase, ie no Nvidia vision kit, (and no emitter).



Edit: ok i get it, for now the driver is free to those who own nvidia vision. so that is why you are required to attach the nvidia emitter. not because it needs it to function, but just as a "proof of purchase".

once they start selling 3dtv play, i'm sure you won't need nvidia vision.
post #28 of 29
Strangely enough my optoma glasses will work with 3dvision and old drivers if you disconnect the vesa cable from the emitter. I haven't figured out how to get rid of the message that says "hey idiot, your emitter is disconnected" though. I willing to bet there is a line of code in the Optoma projector spoof that removes it, but I'm too lazy to find out.
post #29 of 29
lol, it's even easier than I thought. To get Dlp link glasses to work with PC 3d vison, simply put your emitter into a Crown Royal bag. The things I do to amuse myself, lol.
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