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post #151 of 323
4/6/11 at 7:06am
I'm also in the market for a multi-HDMI output receiver. My application is for 2 TVs in my basement Bar / Lounge. 1 behind the Bar, 1 main TV.

The idea was to have selectability in which TV see's what, while having the audio go through the receiver as well. Unfortunately, spllitters, or switches don't enable this.

Splitter on receiver output: Can't have 2 TV's display different things, only the same feed.

Splitter on receiver input: doable, but you need to have a splitter on each source, and an independent cable run for each source to each TV

4x2 switch: Works if you want to display any feed on either TV, but still doesn't address the concern that if you want HDMI audio, you either need to have an HDMI 1.4a TV and receiver to get audio return, or use optical (or equivalent)

4x4 matrix switch: having 4 in 4 out, this allows you to select the video source which each TV sees, while also routing HDMI audio to the receiver. Best of both worlds. If the receiver has multi-powered zones, than you can ultimately have 2 independent viewing and audio environments. Movie on 1 TV, sports on the other.

Monoprice has a decent 4x4 matrix for ~$160. Seems like this along w/a harmony remote to control the switching & macros, and a decent HDMI amp is the way i'm going to go. I don't want to wait, be limited, or go broke deciding between a select number of high end receivers.

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post #152 of 323
4/10/11 at 4:05pm
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Originally Posted by wcmlutz View Post

... Manufacturers have made a determination that 2 HDMI outs is a high end feature...

Yeah, having a projector/LCD setup isn't expensive anymore. Only the receivers to run it are!
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post #153 of 323
4/10/11 at 4:08pm
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Originally Posted by engin33r View Post

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4x4 matrix switch: having 4 in 4 out, this allows you to select the video source which each TV sees, while also routing HDMI audio to the receiver. Best of both worlds. If the receiver has multi-powered zones, than you can ultimately have 2 independent viewing and audio environments. Movie on 1 TV, sports on the other.

Monoprice has a decent 4x4 matrix for ~$160. Seems like this along w/a harmony remote to control the switching & macros, and a decent HDMI amp is the way i'm going to go. I don't want to wait, be limited, or go broke deciding between a select number of high end receivers.


I agree. I tried a splitter as I only want to watch one or the other (my LCD is behind the screen) but it interfered with my compulsive channel surfing. Please, if you get a Matrix switch, come back and let us know how it works!
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post #154 of 323
4/10/11 at 11:06pm
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Well, I finally broke down and bought a Yamaha RX-V867! I said I'd buy a Multi HDMI out receiver when they got below the mythic $500 level, I was looking for new reviews on the RX-V867 last night and I saw a post at 10:30 about a sale at Newegg for 47% off list with free shipping that ended at midnight. I bought it at 11:00. I couldn't even match that price with my resellers license. Anybody want a 35 day old Onkyo 308?

47" Olevia 747i LCD____________________________$999
Epson 8100 1080p projector___________________$1,100
Yamaha RX-V867 2 HDMI out____________________$479
Greywolf 106" screen (Craigslist)__________________$70
Velodyne Front Row System Speakers (Value Village)_$20
Velodyne CHT Sub (Craigslist)____________________$50
____________________________________total__$2,720
A complete dual screen system, LCD and 1080p projector for less than what you used to pay for just an LCD!
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post #155 of 323
4/13/11 at 3:01pm
I am in the market for a new 2HDMI Out Receiver. I have a Sanyo 3000z 1080p projector and a 1080p LCD hooked up to a HTPC. The Video card had 2 DVI outs but of course they both do not work when playing a movie even when in clone mode because of HDCP (content protection).
My question are:
1. If I buy one of these receivers (I am looking at the Yamaha A800) with 2 HDMI outs will both displays work simultaneously?
2. Does a 9500gt Nvidea card output the audio signal with the video signal or will I have to get a sound card for the HTPC?
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post #156 of 323
4/13/11 at 4:28pm
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Originally Posted by engin33r View Post

I'm also in the market for a multi-HDMI output receiver. My application is for 2 TVs in my basement Bar / Lounge. 1 behind the Bar, 1 main TV.

The idea was to have selectability in which TV see's what, while having the audio go through the receiver as well. Unfortunately, spllitters, or switches don't enable this.

My set up is similar , but I am ok with having the same thing on both TV's
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post #157 of 323
4/14/11 at 12:06am
thud 2, i hate to say this, though what you request is not available in an entry level receiver, i would say you're looking at a min of an onkyo 707,708,807,808, 907,908 or similar models in denon or yamaha product lines..

hardly what i call entry level receivers...


Doc, you will need a av distro amp 8x4
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post #158 of 323
4/14/11 at 7:48am
So my suspensions are correct then; there is no current receivers that have simultaneous HDMI output (complete bullsh**T- HDCP!!!). What about 2 video cards?

Why 8X4 can you explain?
Why not something like this http://www.cecompass.com/2port1x2hdm...nd2output.aspx
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post #159 of 323
4/14/11 at 11:32pm
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Doc, I hate to say this, but don't listen to mystic, in this case at least. He's given good advice in other threads but for some reason he's got a problem with this thread, makes no sense. We're just tryin to save a couple of bucks

Doc, The RX-V867 does do Simultaneous or Selectable output. It will work for you. Here is the page from the Yamaha RX-v867 manual.



But mystic still says;

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as for the original question there is no such thing as a entry level receiver with 2 outs, ...
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thud 2, i hate to say this, though what you request is not available in an entry level receiver, i would say you're looking at a min of an onkyo 707,708,807,808, 907,908 or similar models in denon or yamaha product lines..

hardly what i call entry level receivers...

Doc, you will need a av distro amp 8x4
What's up Mystic, didn't you read the 3rd post before yours? I just bought a Yamaha RX-v867 for $469 shipped! That is definitely entry level! I have a whole system, LCD, Projector, Screen, 2 HDMI out receiver, sub and speakers for $2,700. A high end receiver alone is $2,000. What's your issue?

Doc, the 9500gt does not output audio over HDMI though, only video. You need at least an Nvidia Geforce 210 or AMD 4700 series to get audio out over HDMI. You can get the low end models for around $50. The latest and greatest HTPC card is the Radeon HD 6450 (if you can find one). It's UVD-3 so it handles all the codecs (including DivX). Here's a review http://www.anandtech.com/show/4263/a...vd3-meets-htpc.

Both your displays DO have to be HDMI/HDCP compatible to display HDCP protected content though.
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post #160 of 323
4/15/11 at 3:11am
while you may pickup things up dirt cheap in the states doesn't mean it's like that everywhere else in the world...

bare min i'd pay $800-1,500 for the rx-v867..

and as i said before I would hardly call this model a entry level model..

when you start to compare it with the the likes of onkyo 609, which retails for 1,000-1,250 here...

if I was going too compare the 867 with anything I would start looking at the onkyo 707,708,808,907 & 908 for feature set or similar models with denon avr's..

if you want hdmi over more than 2 rooms, you'll need a distribution av amp, since you only have 2 hdmi outlets on the 867..

typical 8in/4out would likely be the minimum i would use on a external use platform splitters are pointless to use given the security in hdmi..


how you setup your avr is your business, the person in question asked a valid question which i tried to answer given the person was comparing a single hdmi out avr to a avr that has 2 hdmi outs, also note the 609 doesn't have pre-outs compared to the 709... which has pre-outs..

looking at doc was saying sounded he wanted to hdmi from 1 source in more than 2 locations, if i got that wrong my mistake, if i didn't get it wrong what i said would be more in tune to what doc wanted to do...

talking in terms of av distribution more so...
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post #161 of 323
4/15/11 at 7:12am
Thanks, That really does help. What about the Yamaha A800? it is a newer model...Art of sale has it for like 550$
A video card upgrade would be nice anyway.
Thanks again thud.
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post #162 of 323
4/15/11 at 9:45am
I was lucky and got my order in during a fire sale this morning... scored the Pioneer Elite VSX-33 brand new w/ free shipping for $549.00 on Amazon. (The special is over and the price is now back up to $699.00) Although not my first choice, I couldn't pass on the price and it does have the 2 HDMI outs I need. This will work great with my home theater setup.

Speaking of which, the chart on page 1 lists the HDMI version for the VSX-33 as 1.3a, when on Pioneer's website they claim it to be 1.4a. Is this accurate? Was the receiver updated sometime during its production run? Not sure of the story there.

While I don't usually get "last year's model" this should be adequate enough for my needs. Looking forward to getting it hooked up. After using Sony receivers for over 15 years, this will be my first Pioneer.
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post #163 of 323
4/15/11 at 10:09am
I to am a long time Sony Amp/receiver fan, but the Yamaha RX-A800 seems a better value for the price and features than the Sony 6400ES ? Any input???.
My future proposed set up is:
1.) HTPC via a New Video card (Nvidea / Geforce is what i have always had, but it seems that the Radeon hd 6500 may be a good choice. What is the Nvidea equivalent that has audio and Video via DVI to HDMI?) to 2.) Yamaha RX A800 receiver; Then 3.) DVI to HDMI converter (so I don't have to rewire my DVI to HDMI cables) to Sanyo Z3000 Projector and 1080p 23" TV/ monitor in my Bar in the adjacent room. For Dual Viewing same video.
Does anyone see a problem with this setup?
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post #164 of 323
4/15/11 at 6:24pm
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Here we go again...

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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

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and as i said before I would hardly call this model a entry level model..

when you start to compare it with the the likes of onkyo 609, which retails for 1,000-1,250 here...

if I was going too compare the 867 with anything I would start looking at the onkyo 707,708,808,907 & 908 for feature set or similar models with denon avr's..

if you want hdmi over more than 2 rooms, you'll need a distribution av amp, since you only have 2 hdmi outlets on the 867..

typical 8in/4out would likely be the minimum i would use on a external use platform splitters are pointless to use given the security in hdmi..


how you setup your avr is your business, the person in question asked a valid question which i tried to answer given the person was comparing a single hdmi out avr to a avr that has 2 hdmi outs, also note the 609 doesn't have pre-outs compared to the 709... which has pre-outs..

looking at doc was saying sounded he wanted to hdmi from 1 source in more than 2 locations, if i got that wrong my mistake, if i didn't get it wrong what i said would be more in tune to what doc wanted to do...

talking in terms of av distribution more so...

You're preaching to the choir buddy. Read the first post so you know what the purpose of this thread is. It's simple, we are in search of a quality, dual HDMI out receiver, cheap.... PERIOD. The Yamaha RX-v867 is a quality receiver. The Yamaha RX-v867 has 2 HDMI out. The Yamaha RX-v867 is cheap. So are many others like the VSX-33, the RX A800 and the 6400ES and others. It's not about comparing anything to the 609, the 707,708,808,907 or 908. It's not about getting hdmi to more than 2 rooms, or distribution amps, pre outs or platform splitters. We know what we're looking for. Your a knowledgeable guy and we'd rather just have your opinion on which cheap multi HDMI out receiver is the best value for the money.
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post #165 of 323
4/15/11 at 6:34pm
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I was lucky and got my order in during a fire sale this morning... scored the Pioneer Elite VSX-33 brand new w/ free shipping for $549.00 on Amazon. (The special is over and the price is now back up to $699.00) Although not my first choice, I couldn't pass on the price and it does have the 2 HDMI outs I need. This will work great with my home theater setup.

Speaking of which, the chart on page 1 lists the HDMI version for the VSX-33 as 1.3a, when on Pioneer's website they claim it to be 1.4a. Is this accurate? Was the receiver updated sometime during its production run? Not sure of the story there.

While I don't usually get "last year's model" this should be adequate enough for my needs. Looking forward to getting it hooked up. After using Sony receivers for over 15 years, this will be my first Pioneer.

kinless, the VSX-33 is 1.4a (3D and all). Sorry about that, I'll change that. Thanks for pointing it out. Would you let me know if it does simultaneous or switchable to the HDMI outs?
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post #166 of 323
4/15/11 at 6:56pm
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Originally Posted by DocSpringfield View Post

I to am a long time Sony Amp/receiver fan, but the Yamaha RX-A800 seems a better value for the price and features than the Sony 6400ES ? Any input???.
My future proposed set up is:
1.) HTPC via a New Video card (Nvidea / Geforce is what i have always had, but it seems that the Radeon hd 6500 may be a good choice. What is the Nvidea equivalent that has audio and Video via DVI to HDMI?) to 2.) Yamaha RX A800 receiver; Then 3.) DVI to HDMI converter (so I don't have to rewire my DVI to HDMI cables) to Sanyo Z3000 Projector and 1080p 23" TV/ monitor in my Bar in the adjacent room. For Dual Viewing same video.
Does anyone see a problem with this setup?

Doc, I think the HD 6500 is going to be a mobile platform (as in built in to laptops only) but the equivalent of the 6450 is the GeForce GT 430, also a great HTPC card. And you won't need a DVI to HDMI converter because this generation of cards has DVI and HDMI out. So you can send HDMI to your TV's or TV and Projector from the receiver and DVI to your monitor on your desk directly from the PC, 3 monitors, pretty cool.
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post #167 of 323
4/15/11 at 7:05pm
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Here's a qoute from another thread "Onkyo TX-NR709 Announced" http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1328130
Glad to hear they're not letting recent events get the best of them in Osaka.

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April 11th, 2011

OSAKA, JAPAN. Further cementing its position as a maker of world-class home theater equipment, Onkyo announces the release of the TX-NR709 network A/V receiver. Designed to drive home entertainment in mid-sized living rooms, this THX® Select2 Plus™ certified receiver incorporates a wide range of advanced processing and connectivity features.

Chief among the connections on the TX-NR709 are eight HDMI® inputs for handling high-definition sources such as Blu-ray Disc, and dual HDMI outputs that enable simultaneous linking of two separate displays. The HDMI implementation on this receiver supports lossless audio in the form of Dolby® TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™. HDMI support is also provided for 3D video, an Audio Return Channel, and video upscaling to 4K resolution in conjunction with Qdeo™ technology.

Connectivity on the TX-NR709 is further enhanced by a front-panel USB port that supports direct digital connection of iPod/iPhone and USB mass storage devices. The receiver also offers an extensive range of analog and digital inputs—including S-Video and 7.1 analog multichannel inputs—for legacy components. A proprietary Universal Port enables users to connect Onkyo-branded peripheral devices.

Being a network-capable receiver, the TX-NR709 works as a conduit for PC audio and streaming internet radio. Users may now enjoy these digital sources with far superior levels of audio fidelity than can be produced by a typical PC.

During initial set-up of the TX-NR709, owners can take advantage of sophisticated Audyssey MultEQ® XT room-correction technology. After taking measurements from multiple locations in the entertainment space, this technology calibrates the soundfield to match the room’s unique dimensions.

To fine-tune the listening experience, Onkyo provides a host of audio processing features: virtual surround, bass enhancement, and audio DSP modes for gaming. These are complemented by two more Audyssey technologies, Audyssey Dynamic EQ® and Audyssey Dynamic Volume®, which work to optimize the loudness and dynamic range of all audio sources.

With a sophisticated home theater centerpiece such as the TX-NR709, ease of use is essential. For this reason, Onkyo has developed an elegant graphical on-screen display and navigation GUI to simplify the process of browsing content and adjusting settings on the spot.

For the audiophile customer, the TX-NR709 offers plenty of scope for specialized applications. A dedicated phono input provides the optimal connection for turntables; bi-amping capability gives the option of boosting power performance; and 7.2 multichannel pre-outs open up the possibility of connecting a dedicated power amp.

With the release of the TX-NR709, Onkyo aims once more to set the standard for excellence in the competitive category of mid-range home theater.

Rumored to list in the $799 range and "shipping soon".
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post #168 of 323
4/15/11 at 8:55pm
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I googled it, 4k is 2048×1536 resolution. Which is 3,145,728 pixels. How they get 4k out of that i do not know. Is that the next upgrade we'll have to shell out for? "You'll need a 4K set if you want to play 4D movies on your Red Ray disc player".

Try Google again....the resolution you posted is 4:3 ratio!
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post #169 of 323
4/15/11 at 10:40pm
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Sorry! I was looking at 2k. Check this out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution So effectively it's the equivalent of four 1080p screens? My wallet is melting, but that must look really good on screens over 120".
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post #170 of 323
4/16/11 at 2:07am
thud I never said the 867 didn't exist far from it, I was saying by definition the avr isn't an entry level avr unless you're talking in terms thx certification..

you also need to remember we're not all based in the USA so prices for things can be vary greatly between what you pay and what others pay, as far as being OT you've been talking way ot by talking about the 867 anyway..

read your own bloody heading numb nuts entry level means entry level go back and read what i've been saying i'm not preaching the discussion is about entry level receivers i.e. onkyo 309, 509, 609, denon 391, 591, yamaha rxv391, rxv 491, a1000, pioneer vsx 520k..

price point means jack **** these days if you know where to look, though the point i was making that you're looking for avr's with 2x hdmi out, the min models that support these feature are hardly entry level models unless you're talking in context of thx, otherwise you're talking out of context of the specified requirements..

but hey what ever floats your boat my friend
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post #171 of 323
4/16/11 at 5:54pm
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kinless, the VSX-33 is 1.4a (3D and all). Sorry about that, I'll change that. Thanks for pointing it out. Would you let me know if it does simultaneous or switchable to the HDMI outs?

According to page 64 of the VSX-33 manual, it shows a choice between HDMI OUT 1, HDMI OUT 2, and HDMI OUT ALL. So from this I would deduce that yes it is simultaneous. However the receiver is still en route, so I won't know for sure until I hook it up. I'll let you know when I do.

It will be interesting to see how it works, as I am using HDMI extenders over shielded Cat 6a ethernet cable (50 foot run between receiver and projector). Hoping for a trouble-free installation.
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post #172 of 323
4/16/11 at 6:23pm
i have been looking at the denon avr-1911 rcvr form about $350 to $450. i googled the yamaha rx-v867 and that looks pretty nice also for $519 on amazon. i dont really need the the second output. i have no projector and no intention of getting one. what do you guys think i should do?
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post #173 of 323
4/16/11 at 10:25pm
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.... i dont really need the the second output. i have no projector and no intention of getting one. what do you guys think i should do?

Unless you think you're going to need the second HDMI out you might be better off getting a model that adds other features in place of the second out. You do pay a premium for that second HDMI.
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post #174 of 323
4/16/11 at 10:27pm
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Originally Posted by kinless View Post

...the VSX-33 manual shows a choice between HDMI OUT 1, HDMI OUT 2, and HDMI OUT ALL. ...

Looks like it can do it all. Good luck with the extenders.
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post #175 of 323
4/16/11 at 11:05pm
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Originally Posted by mystic_sniper28 View Post

... i'm not preaching the discussion is about ...

Sorry mystic, when I said "Preaching to the choir" I didn't mean you were preaching, that phrase means laboring a point that's already been made, like a preacher trying to make believers out of people who already believe. We know about the price of different receivers, we just want to discuss the different options available for inexpensive dual HDMI out receivers. We don't need to redefine the discussion. Which dual HDMI out receiver under $1,000 (or even better, under $500) would you recommend? Any help or guidance you can provide is appreciated.
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post #176 of 323
4/17/11 at 4:36am
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Unless you think you're going to need the second HDMI out you might be better off getting a model that adds other features in place of the second out. You do pay a premium for that second HDMI.

please bare with me but what other features would you look for? i would love an actual two zone rcvr but i dont have a spare $1500 to spend. but i totally agree i want to get the most bang for the buck.
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post #177 of 323
4/17/11 at 8:01am
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i have been looking at the denon avr-1911 rcvr form about $350 to $450. i googled the yamaha rx-v867 and that looks pretty nice also for $519 on amazon. i dont really need the the second output. i have no projector and no intention of getting one. what do you guys think i should do?

Please don't take this wrong, as I'm not trying to be rude.....but...

There are about fifty gazillion help-me-pic-a-receiver threads on AVS (really, I've counted them ). Maybe you should check some of them out. This thread, as the title indicates, is about receivers with multiple HDMI outputs, which you've stated you don't need. Asking the questions you're asking in this thread, serves only to drag it off-topic.
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post #178 of 323
4/17/11 at 2:07pm
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We'll I've been using the RX-v867 all week and I'm very happy with the performance and operation. Until today I've had it connected to the projector only because I only have one 30' HDMI cable so I had to choose one or the other. Well I finally found the time to hook up the TV also. Originally I took the 30' Hdmi and ran it to the TV and used a 15' for the projector. The projector worked fine but it seemed the TV couldn't handle the 30' run. I was surprised because I had been driving the projector all week from the RX-v867 on the 30 footer with no problem. I messed around with all the settings and still no go on the TV so I swapped the 30' back to the projector and used the 15' on the TV and viola'! Success. Good handshake and solid picture every time. I guess the projector can handle a little weaker signal than the TV. Doesn't seem to be a flaw in the receiver, more a weakness of the TV. After all the times I've read that "an HDMI cable is an HDMI cable" I was surprised. I hope a higher quality HDMI cable will make the long run to the TV. If not, maybe it's time to upgrade the set. It is 5 years old.

The RX-v867 works great though. My subjective opinion is the sound quality is superior to the Onkyos I've had recently (a 606 and a 308). I was surprised to see that it seems to have more power than the Onkyos too.

When switching outputs it handshakes quickly (1 or 2 seconds) and the receiver retains it handshake with the Blu Ray so it continues to play at the point it was before switching outputs. It retains it's handshake even if you switch inputs away from and back to the Blu Ray also. Very happy , good sound quality and power and solid switching of the inputs and outputs. Just what I was looking for.
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post #179 of 323
4/18/11 at 7:29am
Thud, I found a Radeon hd 6450 for 130$ on ebay. I offered 100$ he countered with 130$. I don't really know if it is a good price because your right you cant find them. I need the HDMI / DVi because the cable to the TV and projector are ran though the wall and are difficult to replace they are male DVI the Yamaha is female HDMI. My question is the converters don't degrade the signal some how?
I found A 6450 new at newegg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121419
154$ after mail in rebate
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post #180 of 323
4/18/11 at 9:12am
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$130 seems high but it's a good card. Your DVI cable may not carry sound, have you used it to carry sound before? you can just clip the old cable and use it to pull the new HDMI cable, they're cheap. I would recommend that if you can. The GT 240 is probably your best choice if you can't find the 6450.
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