so is the new slim the touted valhalla?.. dilemma - Page 2

if this is directed towards my post, I am not saying 1080p, as a matter of fact I don't even have a 1080p tv, all I was saying is developers can find a happy medium between both. not everyone will be happy with it but thats the way life is. Just make games a little more balanced. like COD for example, slow down the pace just a tad, not everyone plays jacked up on coke or redbull, and they need to stop putting out broken software and hiding behind disclaimers

Theres really no other way to say this but the problem isnt the games, its you.

COD has sold record numbers because the overwhelming majority of people seem to like that "jacked up on coke or redbull" type of gamestyle & play. Slower paced shooters simply have not sold as well. So in a way the consumers have already voted with their wallet and said 60fps and alot of action on screen is what they prefer over superior eye candy. Just ask the developers of Killzone2.

You claim the developers "are putting out broken software and hiding behind disclaimers" but there is only so much 5 year old hardware priced at $199 can do. What you are seeing **IS** the happy medium of frames per second and actual eye candy you can put on the screen. Theres not some magical fairy dust that developers can sprinkle over the code to make higher resolution games run faster. And if there is a way to do it, Im sure the developers would happy if you came along and showed them.

The fix for your problem is called "wait for the next generation of consoles" or "go out and buy a $2000 PC". With the technology available now Im sure theres no problems running full 1080p games at 60fps or even higher/faster resolutions and framerates. The PC world has been doing this for years.

seriously dude, did you even see my other posts. I dont care about 1080p. I dont care that the hardware is old. How many games have come out and the multiplayer was broken from the get go? yeah COD has sold alot, i've had Cod 2,3, MW1 and 2, are the graphics impressive? Cod 2 was for me, the others not so much. Cramming alot of action onscreen doesn't help in some cases. My original post was related to Microsoft obviously worried about the new 360 overheating and that developers need to be more responsible with their end product. do you want to buy software that needs a patch right out of the box? I don't. If they advertise it, it should function as promised.

The issue here is that the 360 is five years old, and we usually end up getting new hardware at the five year mark. Instead of getting brand new nice hardware, we are getting stupid camera gimmicks.

Oh and a PC that can do all that would cost more like $600 or $700. Expensive yes, but a full featured 360 right now costs $300.

the issue for me isnt really the lack of new hardware, it's the fact that Microsoft is putting out yet another 360 and they're obviously still worried about overheating. The overheating should have been addresed long ago.

They put out new hardware for many reasons. One is renewed interest and PR. One one is price reduction. Another is to check off some features they dropped the ball on like Wi-Fi and noise.

what?

so do you think its fair to offer another 360 with more features for the same price i paid for mine a few yrs ago? some people have purchased bigger harddrives and wi fi adapters and had to have their systems replaced only to have a new one come out with all that for less.

what i meant by new hardware is next gen not repackaged with additional features

what do you want them to do, charge less? car manufacturers do it every year on cars you pay 10x that amount on, and those can kill you if they don't work as advertised.

He was asking about your overheating comment. Obviously, Microsoft has addressed that issue with the new case and board design as well as by consolidating the CPU and GPU together and putting a vent over the unified chip to provide better heat dissipation.

i dont care what they charge for it, i'm not buying it .... but its f**ked up and a slap in the face to everyone who has spent more just to get the same. I'm on my second 360, which i didn't buy cuz my 360 premium died 2 yrs after i bought it. when this one goes, it will not get replaced til the next gen. yeah and auto manufacturers get sued when they overinflate stats of their cars too, not to mention kill someone.

all i'm saying is microsoft must still have doubts about the new chip. otherwise they wouldnt have put the vent in. Modders have been doing this for 5 yrs now trying to keep their 360s alive.

The way I see it, a vent to circulate air around the hottest components is just good design. It's the way the 360 should've been in the first place. But instead of a vent, they put... the DVD drive there.

And yes it does suck for all us losers that kept MS' NPD unit totals high by replacing old systems but this was expected. We've known about the Falcon-Jasper-Valhalla timeline for a few years now.

thats pretty much what i've been trying to say. the average joe doesn't keep up with what chipset is in what model, so when his 2005 premium died 2 yrs ago, he bought an elite, then that dies, so he decides to get the latest edition which should have been the first edition. what has he lost? money, time, xbox live fees, and a bunch of games that he cant play cuz his 360 dies on a regular basis

Certainly. Wouldn't every PC ever sold fall into this category. Also keep in mind during the cycle parts become cheaper, faster, and larger. As an example the 250Gb drive probably costs less now than the smaller drives did when they were announced.

pc's are modular by design and meant to be upgraded to improve performance and customized for specific needs. it would seem that the 360 isn't getting a performance upgrade but a fix to a fatal flaw and it would seem that they have thrown in a few extras to make people forget about their track record

LOL. Then don't buy one.
also don't buy a PS3, a PS2, a PS1, an original Xbox or any of the later iterations that fixed significant design flaws in the original models that caused them to fail.

What turnip truck did you fall off of?

Thats one of the biggest reasons for 'redesigns' of current model consoles. Because parts have become cheaper, smaller and more efficient. Console manufacters also have negotiated contracts with parts suppliers and buildings.. a redesign allows them to renegotiate those contracts to increase the profit margin. The cheaper they can make the 360, the cheaper they can sell it and still make money off it.

For anybody who isnt up to speed on the current console gaming industry. The whole 4-5 year shelf life of a console.. is long gone. Microsoft and Sony have both invested (and lost) Billions into the 360 and PS3 projects and they are gonna milk these consoles long enough to make them worth the investment. Both are interested increasing their profit margin by making their current console offerings capable of more features. Think of it as a putting a new transmission in a old car thats already paid off, versus buying a new car with a new car payment.

Dont expect to see a next gen Xbox before 2012.. and a next gen PS4 before 2013. Because the Wii is currently the only non-HD console in a world of 1080p flatscreens.. I would expect to see the next generation Wii-2, before I see any other next gen consoles announced.

Im starting to think he was only person in the world that was expecting a Next Generation Xbox (Xbox 720) to be announced at E3.. instead of just an Xbox Slim (redesigned Xbox 360).

Come back in 2 years. You will have your 720..

um i'm not stupid, every system you've mentioned i have had. none of them broke while i used them so i didnt have to buy a redesigned one that fixed a flaw. i think its funny that you guys are willing to forgive 5 yrs of flawed consoles so easily not to mention microsofts open denial at the beginning of the overheating issue.

This was pretty clearly going to be a long generation after the relatively short one that preceded it. It cost too much to develop the hardware and it's complicated for developers to get all the power out of them, and Microsoft and sony have both struggled to even break even on their hardware costs for various reasons.

He thinks people have confused this with a new console launch. we haven't. We know what it is (same functionality in new packaging with a couple new features) and either we enjoy the product enough to basically reup, or we don't. You don't have to be misled to think it's worthwhile, but he doesn't seem to get that.

I share similar feelings. I don't think we'll hear anything from Microsoft or Sony about new consoles until 2012 especially with the new features both companies are pushing and the costs they've already put into the current consoles. I however think Sony will at least try and make it to market in the same calender year as Microsoft on the next one, because it really put them in an uphill battle by being a year later (not even factoring in cost).

i could give 2 cents less about the next gen 360. no i wasnt camped out watching the coverage on tv either, just saw it on the xbox dasboard, thought it was funny," the xbox you've been waiting for". Finally after 5 year one that might not fail. you guys are starting to sound like Microsoft executives, they can do no wrong

and I know people with original xbox 360s still running. I also remember flipping the PS1 upside down because it didn't have vents on the top to let heat escape, and the many, many laser failures in the PS2 and Xbox and the YLOD in fat PS3s.


If I was buying for reliability, i'd have a different hobby.

Whats your purpose here? You literally have nothing to add to conversation. You have already said the same "they finally fixed RROD 5 years later" over and over.

If thats it. We got the memo.

But Thanks for telling us.. again. And again. And again.

thats just it. these are investments to some not just a hobby. it gets expensive shelling out money for consoles and games that dont work, but as a society as a whole, we accept and go on, as long as we do, we will have problems that go ignored or slowly get fixed or not at all

whats my purpose? i simply made a comment on the first page about the vent and developer responsibility, everyone else came out of the wood work, they are saying the same things over and over AGAIN too

dude... you'd be better off giving your money to madoff than investing in consumer electronics devices.

no one wants to pay for quality and reliability. fact.

Not a performance upgrade...

• Larger hard drive
• Built-in wireless (at a faster bandwidth)
• New type of connection ports
• Quieter
• Uses less energy

Sounds exactly like a PC.