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post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I have been lurking on here for a few months since we have relocated. The more I lurk the sooner I want to finish out my basement theater room. Money for now is going to be limited, so quality may be sacrificed. I'll list my limitations and ideas, any imput is greatly appriciated. Exact specs and pictures can be posted soon, just trying to keep it simple...right.

Needed: PJ and screen for my money/ceiling hight limits

Room space is about 14x14 ish, 7'7" ceiling hight, with open space right and behind viewing zone. The actual screen wall is 168"x91". Walls freshly painted flat greyish brown and a shade or two lighter on ceiling.

So...my thoughts for pj=Veiwsonic pro8100 ($1200-1300), a DIY 120" 1.78:1 BOC.
The flexibility, specs, and cost for the VS, to me makes since. BOC from ebay for screen material looks good.

I still have to purchase a ss receiver, so $2000 for pj and receiver is what I am going for. This will be a basic set up for movie watching, some tv, and gaming. Sort of a 3-5yr use and then see what comes out then...

I hope this is enough info for the concept. If not please let me know, all imput will be processed, but price is important right now.
post #2 of 16
Seems you have it pretty well in hand. Just consider the installation considerations with the 8100, keep ambient light to a minimum (especially directed light near the Screen), use the shortest possible throw distance you can, and keep you screen size to under 110" diagonal, and all should be well with your project.

Should you want to paint the BOC to achieve the best possible performance while still maintaining that 2K limit...it can be done. You'll have to request that the info be provided, because those who start out limiting their budget on the onset often have other issues that are not mentioned.
post #3 of 16
You might want to consider carlofet.com for BOC. The beginner's thread has directions for a wood frame to use. Your seating looks to be about 12' from screen in a 14' room, so a big screen might be overwhelming (with artifacts, screen door affect, etc.), but if you watch only HD and bluray, a 120" screen should be okay. I'm guessing you only have small basement casing windows to deal with, so ambient light will be minimal? By the way, any reason you don't want to paint the screen on the wall? Based on your statements, this sounds doable--or maybe they are rough concrete? Even a Behr UPW (white) flat enamel would look good (or should I say better than unpainted BOC).
post #4 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for such a quick response mm. I don't wanna waste your time as I'm sure it is of much value...but it will ease all nerves I have about my own decisions. I have full light control with no windows but would love the 120" screen with a matte white finish. With this pj, again best for the price as I could tell. If 110" gray screen would dramatically increase picture quality then I am all ears. I'll probably be sitting about 10-13' away and throw anywhere from 13' and closer. I have researched all 1080p pj's from $1000-2000. The 2k for a panny4k when comparing the VS and a pioneer vsx21 the combo looked better.

So...I figured $250 for the DIY screen...there are hundreds of posts about DIY, for that pj at 110-120" and my room, a simple link for material would be awesome.
post #5 of 16
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Painting the screen was an option, but the 3ft high receptical on the left side of the wall made me not go that route. At screen was my first choice, but the room limitations killed that one. Basically I'm making myself be happy with a 1.78:1 screen and mask the top and bottom, and save money for now. We have a 9 month old and revamping this house...so either wait 1-2 yrs for the HT or get buy with a decent setup for now. I'll see if I can post a pic of the painted room with some masking tape I took last night. I'm posting all of this from my phone now while working so it may be easier once I'm home.
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post #6 of 16
I'm at work at present...but hang in there and I'll send you some concrete considerations that will minimize expense. time, and give you a system that will deliver more than your expecting.

Look for the info by this PM.

But I'll venture this much quickly. The Viewsonic is not an ideal PJ to use for a 120" screen s it lacks lumen horsepower. At 110" diagonal it can produce 14 fl at close to it's closest possible Throw distance.

Consider instead the Optoma HD20 or find a bargain on the Epson 8100. The latter should be your absolute strongest consideration, because you can fudge just a bit on the Receiver, but if a 120" diagonal screen*...a easy PJ placement regimen, more than enough brightness, and considerably better contrast are all desired...(and they damn well should be...) the Viewsonic will fall terribly short.

*( The Epson 8100 will give you 15 fl @ 120" diagonal at a 16' throw w/1.0 gain surface.)

MM

PS...back to work......
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Nice...just left BB...they have the Epson8100, an open box pioneer vsx32, and matching elite blueray they'll give me for $2300.....thanks for the quick replys mm. This could be the best (first) father's day ever!

When you do get a little free time about the screen that would be awesome...I'm going back to get the Epson and pioneer now. I'll probably start on the screen frame this weekend.

P.S Probably the quickest decision on ht ever!
post #8 of 16
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Nice...just left BB...they have the Epson8100, an open box pioneer vsx32, and matching elite blueray they'll give me for $2300.....thanks for the quick replys mm. This could be the best (first) father's day ever!

When you do get a little free time about the screen that would be awesome...I'm going back to get the Epson and pioneer now. I'll probably start on the screen frame this weekend.

P.S Probably the quickest decision on ht ever!

....and the wisest.

Now, depending upon your location, a suitable substrate would be GatorFoam or Sintra in 10' x 5' size, coated via spraying with Silver Fire 4.0. That will add about $230.00 to your total...including the paint, Velvet Trim and a Wagner Sprayer
post #9 of 16
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I'm in Indianapolis, IN...I'll look around here for the materials. Deffinately will borrow the sprayer from a buddy for now. Thanks for all the imput and time. Pictures may take a few days but will be posted as soon as completed.
post #10 of 16
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I'm in Indianapolis, IN...I'll look around here for the materials. Definitely will borrow the sprayer from a buddy for now. Thanks for all the input and time. Pictures may take a few days but will be posted as soon as completed.


Oh hell...I'm a Indy native.

Go down to Radio Radio* in Fountain Square and catch the World Cup on two 110" Light Fusion Screens. Ask for David (Tufty) the owner.

*a cool Retro-Bar.

Check local Plastic Sheeting Supply houses that sell material to Sign makers.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
So I had to go with the BOC...my basement entrance sucks and this made the most since. I'll go over the different paint mixtures once the material arrives. I've mounted my pj and of course ran all surround sound for now. This pj is nice for me and the price. Still trying to decide on the size. 120" works, but even at 156" it still looks good on the dark brown wall. So probably somewhere in between.

When I went to get the pj mount from a local supplier of course they were out...so...I made my own. I didn't really want to order one so with a little brainstorming I came up with this. I didn't look on here much since I made this so it could have been done already. With my location it works perfectly. It is super solid and can be fully adjusted. I used some 1" galvanized pipe (2 flanges, a 90*, and a 3" and 6" nipple). Totaling $15-$20.
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post #12 of 16
Mount seems perfect for the location. Good job! Yeah, you can go big if you want. These newer projectors are plenty bright. One consideration is family and friends and their ability to adjust to a big screen. I would do a test with some friends and see if you/they can watch a movie at various sizes without complaining about something, e.g. brightness, motion artifacts, etc. I went from a 100" to 120" to 144" screen over 10 years. I love the big screen. My wife and daughter do not and have a problem watching it. Brightness is usually the biggest issue especially if you want to conserve bulb life, but I think too many people sacrifice a nice bright image for a $300 bulb used in economy mode. That's less than $1 a day for a more enjoyable experience for a bulb that lasts only 1 year as opposed to 2.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
So I ordered the BOC from ebay, awesome seller and material. Built the frame and attached the cloth way sooner than expected. It looks great and I can go up to 148" diag. With the rubber side out the quality looks amazing, but will paint it...some day...I'll end up framing it all in and finishing all the loose ends soon, just so much going on.

The pictures were taken with my phone so sorry about the quality. It is amazing how simple it is once you pull the trigger!
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post #14 of 16
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The pictures were taken with my phone so sorry about the quality. It is amazing how simple it is once you pull the trigger!

Looks good. What was the final size? As an interim paint job, you might try a coat of Behr UPW flat enamel. It will add a little more zing and can be rolled on and will serve as the undercoat to spraying your final screen (someday).
post #15 of 16
Thread Starter 
I still need to mask the screen, but I think it will be about 145" depending on masking size. Do you think just the rolled coat of Behr will help with the blacks? The Epson is great with just the screen for now, but rolling on the paint would be easy for now. I have just sorta built a pass through for all my a/v equipment and organized everything.

I appreciate all of your input. I'll add some more pictures as I go along, but I will enjoy it for now. Once winter comes around I should have a little more time. It's amazing how simple it all can be really though.
post #16 of 16
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I still need to mask the screen, but I think it will be about 145" depending on masking size. Do you think just the rolled coat of Behr will help with the blacks? .

The BOC is probably less than 1.0 gain, and a couple of coats of paint will make it closer to 1.0 giving better contrast and gamma, therefore the illusion of better blacks. I say illusion because of the better vibrancy of the screen. It will not make the blacks darker, though. It takes a grey screen to do that. If you don't want to go through the effort without a test, then paint a small piece of BOC or foamcore and put it in front of the screen and compare. If you like it, then paint the screen, if not, then no useless effort expended.
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