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post #151 of 188
Got it, thanks. I'll download the 7.7 first; also, I'll do as you suggest with the light and projector settings.

Thanks!

Steve
post #152 of 188
Well, I got basic functionality going on my Harmony 700...very nice remote. The "activities" and "devices" thing is pretty intuitive; setup is a bit quirky working with the 7.7 software; it frequently wants to dump me out to the login screen when I'm working within the software, but in general I've got things setup to work in at least a basic way.

I really like the remote so far; no real complaints. It sure is nice to be able to control not only multiple devices with one remote, but take multiple actions with the press of a single button! I'm very happy with this purchase.

Steve
post #153 of 188
Guys I am trying to Reorder Activities and really struggling.

Ive followed the directions on this site and also read Shiny Hacks.

The problem I am having is that I setup my activities initially the "normal" way - when I first got the remote it took me to myharmony.com and I set everything up.

Now to access the site listed on Shiny Hacks I downloaded 7.7 onto my computer. But now when I go to http://members.harmonyremote.com/ I dont see any of the options listed as needed to reorder the Activities.

All O see of a screen called "Device Setup" where its asking me to Add a Device that I want to control. I guess its not seeing the fact that my remote is already programmed.

So what is it I need to do here if I want to be able to do the Reorder Activity process?

THanks. Really appreciate the help as Im sure you guys must get sick and tired of answering these Reorder Activity questions (seriously Logitech? Why wouldnt you just add this to the program!)

Happy Thanksgiving.
post #154 of 188
There is no connection/carryover whatsoever between accounts programmed via myharmony.com and accounts programmed via the 7.7 software. If you want to switch to the 7.7 software, you will have to reprogram everything from scratch.

Also, some of the remote models (600/650/700) do not allow you to reorder activities even from the 7.7 software.
post #155 of 188
Right I know I cant reorder from the 7.7 software.

But I thought the Shiny Hacks site was supposed to allow me to reorder from the web?

Is there NO way to reorder my 700? Or do I just need to reprogram everything using either the Shiny Hacks link or the 7.7 and then do it?
post #156 of 188
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Right I know I cant reorder from the 7.7 software.
But I thought the Shiny Hacks site was supposed to allow me to reorder from the web?
Is there NO way to reorder my 700? Or do I just need to reprogram everything using either the Shiny Hacks link or the 7.7 and then do it?

You said you programmed it initially from myharmony.com... nothing you programmed there has anything to do with programming from either the 7.7 software OR the members.harmonyremote.com site (which DO share a common account and setup database).

You also said that it was as if "it's not seeing that my remote is already programmed". That is because from from the perspective of the client software or the members.harmonyremote website, it is NOT programmed. If you want to use either of those setup options with a remote you initially configured via myharmony.com, you will, unfortunately, need to start from scratch. You can do it from either the members site or the software, but the software is much easier to use than the members website. Once you have it programmed, you can use the members site just to reorder using the alternate sequence outlined your link.


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Edited by jcalabria - 11/22/12 at 10:59am
post #157 of 188
OK I will give that a shot thanks.

While Im at it: if I want to add as a command something like a TV Menu Setting from my plasma (e.g. selecting picture modes like THX, Custom, etc.) is there any way to add that as a choice directly to the Harmony, without having to actually drill down in the menu and select manually each time?
post #158 of 188
Thread Starter 
Probably not. Very few brands have discrete commands for those kinds of things. And most harmony's can only do 5 step macros, if they can do macros at all.
post #159 of 188
so if the steps are something like Menu Key >>> Picture >>>Custom

How do I go about programming that? As a Macro?
post #160 of 188
OK I think I see that I would need to try and do this as a Sequence of keystrokes, which seems very complicated.

I have a different issue:
Sometimes if someone hits Watch TV and then messes around with the remote, when they want to get back to the Watch TV menus, they hit the button again.
Since things were ON, the remote seems to be sending a Power Toggle command so that, for example, my TV will now shut off.

Is there any way I can set the Activity to only use Discrete PowerON for an activity? I havent been able to figure out exactly how to achieve that.
post #161 of 188
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

OK I think I see that I would need to try and do this as a Sequence of keystrokes, which seems very complicated.
I have a different issue:
Sometimes if someone hits Watch TV and then messes around with the remote, when they want to get back to the Watch TV menus, they hit the button again.
Since things were ON, the remote seems to be sending a Power Toggle command so that, for example, my TV will now shut off.
Is there any way I can set the Activity to only use Discrete PowerON for an activity? I havent been able to figure out exactly how to achieve that.

Programming a Sequence is very straightforward, but the 5-step limitation can be a problem if all the [Menu], [Up/Down] & [Select/Enter/Ok] button presses required to navigate your menu exceeds 5 steps. Some TVs have a context-sensitive "Tools" shortcut menu available that can reduce the required steps compared to navigating the full menu.

If your picture mode selection is always related to a particular Activity, you can add the menu navigation steps without the 5-step limitation to the startup (and/or shutdown) command list via the Custom Actions screen. You can also create two separate nearly identical activities with slightly different startup command strings... for example Watch TV (Day) and Watch TV (Night), with the only difference being which THX mode is selected at activity startup.

Discrete power commands, if your device supports them and the commands are in the database, are configured in Device setup (Device/Settings/Adjust Power Settings), not in the Activity setup. It's always best to make sure that any device that supports discrete Power and Input commands is set up to take advantage of them.

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Edited by jcalabria - 11/23/12 at 12:21pm
post #162 of 188
Thanks. I have followed those steps to set up the Discrete Power Commands but Im not sure exactly how to do it.

After I get to Adjust Power Settings it asks me questions about whether my remote has one power button or more. While the remote does have only one power button, I see in the commands that there are discrete Power On and Power Off. So Im not sure which thread in the software to follow that will let me set that up...
post #163 of 188
Here is what I am struggling with.

I know it shouldnt be the case, but if the TV is already on for some reason (switched on by hand or by TV remote) and I hit "Watch TV" Activity, when it goes through the steps, my TV gets powered off when the Activity should be powering it on.

I realize (I think) the way to fix this should be that the Activity uses the discrete Power ON code only, rather than the Power Toggle, so that it wouldnt actually power off a TV that is already on.

When I go to Adjust Power Settings I cant figure out the right series of steps and choices from the dialogue boxes given to follow, although I am fairly certain that my TV does have discrete power codes and I can see them in the equipment commands lit...
post #164 of 188
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Thanks. I have followed those steps to set up the Discrete Power Commands but Im not sure exactly how to do it.
After I get to Adjust Power Settings it asks me questions about whether my remote has one power button or more. While the remote does have only one power button, I see in the commands that there are discrete Power On and Power Off. So Im not sure which thread in the software to follow that will let me set that up...
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Here is what I am struggling with.
I know it shouldnt be the case, but if the TV is already on for some reason (switched on by hand or by TV remote) and I hit "Watch TV" Activity, when it goes through the steps, my TV gets powered off when the Activity should be powering it on.
I realize (I think) the way to fix this should be that the Activity uses the discrete Power ON code only, rather than the Power Toggle, so that it wouldnt actually power off a TV that is already on.
When I go to Adjust Power Settings I cant figure out the right series of steps and choices from the dialogue boxes given to follow, although I am fairly certain that my TV does have discrete power codes and I can see them in the equipment commands lit...

Forget about what's on your OE remote... answer it the way you WANT it to work. If you want to use discrete power commands and your device supports them (irrespective of what buttons are on the OE remote), answer "one button for on and one button for off", then select PowerOn and PowerOff as the commands when prompted.

Same thing may apply for discrete input commands. Just because the OE remote works by pressing "[Input] and selecting an input from a list does not necessarily mean that your device does not support discrete input commands (which, btw, is Method 2 in the input setup pages).

The Harmony software is hit or miss as to whether it automatically takes advantage of discrete commands even if the device supports them and the commands are present in the database. Regardless of how your OE remote functions -- and regardless of how the Harmony software initially configures your devices -- ALWAYS check the Harmony command library of all of your devices for discrete power and input commands and configure the devices to use them if they exist.

BTW, what you are seeing -- the device power getting out of sync when you turn it on or off by means other than the Harmony remote -- is EXACTLY what you should expect to see for devices using power toggle commands. The remote tries to keep track of all of the your devices' power states, but it cannot know if you tampered with a device by other means. If it KNOWS that a device is already on (e.g., when you switch between Watch TV and Watch Blu-ray) the remote knows that the TV is already on and will not send any power commands to the TV)... but if you turned the TV on manually for some reason, but then start your Watch TV activity "cold" from the remote, the remote has no clue that you turned on the TV manually and will send another Power command. As you correctly suspect, if you are configured to use discrete power commands, the additional PowerOn command will cause no harm... but if the TV does not support (or is not configured for) discrete power commands, the remote will send a PowerToggle command because by its own internal tracking it "knows" that the TV is off.

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Edited by jcalabria - 11/26/12 at 6:30am
post #165 of 188
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Originally Posted by lirong View Post

Here is what I am struggling with.
I know it shouldnt be the case, but if the TV is already on for some reason (switched on by hand or by TV remote) and I hit "Watch TV" Activity, when it goes through the steps, my TV gets powered off when the Activity should be powering it on.
I realize (I think) the way to fix this should be that the Activity uses the discrete Power ON code only, rather than the Power Toggle, so that it wouldnt actually power off a TV that is already on.
When I go to Adjust Power Settings I cant figure out the right series of steps and choices from the dialogue boxes given to follow, although I am fairly certain that my TV does have discrete power codes and I can see them in the equipment commands lit...

If your TV doesn't have discrete on and off codes, then you'll have to deal with the toggle.

And the best thing to do once you get the remote all programmed and the on/off states are all like they should be is HIDE the original remotes! My kids and wife would grab the TV or DVR remote to turn things on and screw up the activities. Hide the remotes, tell them not to ever touch the power buttons on the devices, and it should help a lot.
post #166 of 188
Haha that's an awesome suggestion.
post #167 of 188
Just got a new 700 and am setting up via MyHarmony.com. Really, I'm just doing this to get first hand experience of what's missing so I can bug Logitech. I'll probably end up using the 7.7 software later on, as I can get by with 6 devices (would only be missing my PS2 which I never use IR to control). For the time being, I don't need sequences, but what I am trying to do is assign my "Watch Dish" activity to the "Watch TV" button. I've already created a Watch TV activity which uses the tuner in the TV. I did the same thing with my old 670 and the old software, but I want to know if I'm overlooking something on their site for this. Beyond this, it seems the missing features are sequences and activity ordering. A while back, I helped my Dad with a 650 and the MyHarmony.com site, and back then, things like command ordering, extra commands, and delays in activities were not supported, or even device delays. All of that seems to be added. I also saw that the new Touch model has sequences via the website, so one would hope that it could be rolled out to all remotes, since the coding is already done for that.
post #168 of 188
Thread Starter 
I don't know if there is another way since I don't use the myharmony software, but as a workaround, I would delete both activities, then make a new Watch TV which is actually Watch Dish so it goes to the right button, then make another called Watch TV Tuner for the tuner.
post #169 of 188
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

I don't know if there is another way since I don't use the myharmony software, but as a workaround, I would delete both activities, then make a new Watch TV which is actually Watch Dish so it goes to the right button, then make another called Watch TV Tuner for the tuner.

Yeah, that's probably how I'd end up doing it if I stuck with myharmony.com. I've got my remote configuration in both places right now, and have a support ticket for this issue. Anything I run into with setting it via the web vs the software, I'll put a support ticket into Logitech for it. Not that I expect it'll do anything, just one more voice b!tching about the new web interface.

Edit:
Here's the response from Harmony support
Quote:
Originally Posted by Logitech Support 
Hi Ryan, I checked my resources regarding the issue that you reported and unfortunately, the Harmony 700 remote via MyHarmony.com do not support the remapping and reordering activities feature. This is because these remotes already have physical activity buttons (Watch TV, Watch a DVD and Listen to Music) which will make it easier to access the activities with one button press only. This feature is only accessible in the Logitech Harmony Remote Software 7.7.0 version. However, I submitted a ticket on this case to our product specialist. Hoping that we can have this aspect with the MyHarmony.com interface in the future.

There is a workaround via the web as you said, and I can use the 7.7 software, so not a deal killer, but for my 670, I'd use the Listen to Music button to play my Xbox. So with the myharmony.com, I'd either have to shoehorn the xbox setup into a music activity, or sift through pages of activities for a commonly used activity. The bolded statement is a bogus reason to not have activity reordering, as even with activities not assigned to a button, have priority as well.
Edited by oryan_dunn - 12/6/12 at 10:14am
post #170 of 188
I had a similar issue with a 650. I wanted to use the listen to music hard button to watch my ROKU. Can't do that because the Harmony remote software does not recognize the ROKU as a music player. I called Harmony tech support and the agent mapped my watch ROKU activity to the listen music button for me. Their phone number is 866-291-1505 or 866-291-1501.
post #171 of 188
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Originally Posted by jimsfield View Post

I had a similar issue with a 650. I wanted to use the listen to music hard button to watch my ROKU. Can't do that because the Harmony remote software does not recognize the ROKU as a music player. I called Harmony tech support and the agent mapped my watch ROKU activity to the listen music button for me. Their phone number is 866-291-1505 or 866-291-1501.

Yeah, customers shouldn't have to call them for something like that. It's frustrating when a product is gimped by the marketing department. All these remotes can do 12, 15, etc devices, but can't because of the marketing department. I get the feeling that only the high-end will have sequences going forward (Touch), and normal remotes in the ~$100 range won't.
post #172 of 188
I have a Harmony One. I'm using the downloaded 7.7 software for configurations. I have a few activities that were automatically created, based on my devices - Yamaha RX-V995 AVR, Panasonic Blue-Ray player, TV and cable box.

I have a computer connected to the RX-V995 via optical Toslink. I want to add a "listen to computer" activity. I do not have any remotes hooked up to the computer- not really an HTPC so I control the computer natively and then output to the Toslink, using iTunes. Therefore I really just want an activity that will turn on the RX-V995 if needed and switch to the appropriate Toslink input.

The software does not give me a way to add existing devices to a new activity. It demands that I add a new device. I guess there is a way to kludge this by adding some device I do not own, but it seems to be "the wrong way" to do this. Am I missing something?

TIA for any help on this.
post #173 of 188
Thread Starter 
Make another listen to music and rename it.
post #174 of 188
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Make another listen to music and rename it.

If I do that, it wants to include the TV in the device listing (I used manual activity setup). I don't want the TV to turn on, and etc. I don't see any way to click a Device and delete from an activity in order to skinny down the activity.

If I could create an additional "Listen to Radio" activity then I could accomplish what I want by changing the input selection, but I don't get a Radio Button to add a new "Listen To Radio" activity.

Related to my question, I've seen it suggested that in cases where long complex sequences are needed (more than 5 steps) or possibly to create a short concise set of "sub-activities" for some activity, that some people make an activity that does not turn devices on and off. I don't see how that could be done, for the same reasons I am having here. I hope this makes sense and I interpreted various threads I've read correctly!
post #175 of 188
Thread Starter 
Then make a new activity Manually (pick No when the wizard asks if you want to set it up automatically). That gives you the option to include/exclude any devices you want, and that's how "sub-activities" would be made.
post #176 of 188
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Originally Posted by mdavej View Post

Then make a new activity Manually (pick No when the wizard asks if you want to set it up automatically). That gives you the option to include/exclude any devices you want, and that's how "sub-activities" would be made.

Thanks, Dave. I found where I missed the option to listen to music through the AV Receiver (previously I took "Listen To Music" which assumed a computer device). So my immediate need is settled.

The Harmony site has been up and down several times today, frustrating my thought process :-)
post #177 of 188
i have a harmony one and a dcx-3400 dvr from charter in st louis. i made a sequence command so when i push the guide button it would sequence guide then favorites so i can just see my favorite channels and not all the rest. charter boxes do not have the option to just remove unsubscribed channels from the guide you must scroll through channels even if your not subscribed to them. i did have to learn the fav button from the charter remote and assigned it to the plus button on the harmony because it did not exist. i have changed the timing of the sequence but nothing i do seems to make it work. is there something i am doing wrong or is this sequence not possible to do.
post #178 of 188
When you press the guide button and then the plus button (the one you learned) work. If not you need to relearn that button, but I am surprised that it was not already in the database. When these two buttons work the sequence command should work.
post #179 of 188
When you press the guide button and then the plus button (the one you learned) work. If not you need to relearn that button, but I am surprised that it was not already in the database. When these two buttons work the sequence command should work.
post #180 of 188
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Originally Posted by BPlayer View Post

When you press the guide button and then the plus button (the one you learned) work. If not you need to relearn that button, but I am surprised that it was not already in the database. When these two buttons work the sequence command should work.

when i press these two buttons manually it does work. i do notice i have to give it a substantial amount of time between or the fav button does not work. if i had to guess i would say i need about one second after pushing guide to push the + button for it to work properly.
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