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post #151 of 1645
Considering this is the Pre-Show topic, I've started a new non spoiler thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1329890
post #152 of 1645
Couldn't we just have a Mod rename this thread instead of starting a new one? I don't think having the pre-show posts in this thread is a big deal.
post #153 of 1645
Thread re-titled.
post #154 of 1645
Just getting the ground rules straight now that this is officially a running show thread and there's a separate dedicated "No Spoilers" thread: Clearly, that one is for discussion of the episodes already aired only, no book info allowed. In this thread, are book spoilers are allowed? Tags required or not? Are my four rules now overly strict?

(If this ends up being anything like the Lost thread, be prepared to have this discussion every three weeks or so. )
post #155 of 1645
I have no idea about the books. Only watched it on HBO because it happened to be free last weekend. I was hoping for lots of magic and other supernatural events. But outside of the dragon eggs and the brief flash of the dead child seeming alive again there wasn't any.

Is this going to be the norm for the series?
post #156 of 1645
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I have no idea about the books. Only watched it on HBO because it happened to be free last weekend. I was hoping for lots of magic and other supernatural events. But outside of the dragon eggs and the brief flash of the dead child seeming alive again there wasn't any.

Is this going to be the norm for the series?

Pretty much. The dragon eggs are an important element in the books but that's sometime later. Most of the magic is going on in the background, but when it happens it usually leaves a pretty big mark.
post #157 of 1645
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Pretty much. The dragon eggs are an important element in the books but that's sometime later. Most of the magic is going on in the background, but when it happens it usually leaves a pretty big mark.

Thanks. Doesn't seem like my kind of show then. I like my fantasy to be more fantastical. Otherwise in my view it becomes like a alt-history period piece.
post #158 of 1645
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Originally Posted by mdr25 View Post

Just getting the ground rules straight now that this is officially a running show thread and there's a separate dedicated "No Spoilers" thread: Clearly, that one is for discussion of the episodes already aired only, no book info allowed. In this thread, are book spoilers are allowed? Tags required or not? Are my four rules now overly strict?

(If this ends up being anything like the Lost thread, be prepared to have this discussion every three weeks or so. )

Your 4 rules were not near strict enough for a show thread. What someone thinks isn't giving anything away almost always does.

But now that there is a thread with no spoilers allowed, this thread becomes something akin to the "Wild West". People enter at their own risk, and the usage of spoiler tags is left up to the individual posters. It's up to the participants to come to their own consensus as to the preferred etiquette - but it is unenforceable, so members will need to keep away from the thread if they are not happy with the amount of information they are getting exposed to.

We rarely do Spoilers/No-Spoilers threads because we always have spoiler tags available for the occasional spoiler. However, if a show has an abundance of spoilers available - like in this case - it becomes impossible to carry on two separate conversations (with tags & without tags) and inevitably, someone will respond to a tagged post with an answer that isn't tagged. Plus it just becomes difficult to read.
post #159 of 1645
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Originally Posted by CPanther95 View Post

But now that there is a thread with no spoilers allowed, this thread becomes something akin to the "Wild West". People enter at their own risk, and the usage of spoiler tags is left up to the individual posters. It's up to the participants to come to their own consensus as to the preferred etiquette - but it is unenforceable, so members will need to keep away from the thread if they are not happy with the amount of information they are getting exposed to.

Interesting, thanks for the explanation. For my part, I'll probably still stick to my previously-stated rules, but I don't begrudge any book talk. Since it is up to us to develop the etiquette, I'll throw a suggestion out there: I would prefer to avoid "production spoilers" -- a term I may have just made up (let me know if there's a better one) that refers to knowledge that could only come from someone working on the TV production itself. I don't want to know ahead of time what chapters are going to be in each episode, or how scene in an upcoming episode differs from the book, for example. I'd prefer it if the consensus is that this type of information is not posted, or at least put in spoiler tags. If it gets too rampant I'll probably find myself avoiding the thread. But hey, it's the wild west, so I won't complain.
post #160 of 1645
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Originally Posted by cocoon View Post

Thanks. Doesn't seem like my kind of show then. I like my fantasy to be more fantastical. Otherwise in my view it becomes like a alt-history period piece.

- I also like a lot of fantasy books, but The Game Of Thrones is very worthwhile. There is magic in the series, just not the flashy D&D type.
post #161 of 1645
Since this thread is going to become the Wild West and the other thread is completely spoiler free, my suggestion is to title Book and TV spoilers, so someone can look at only the one they want. Some examples with no actual spoilers.

TV Spoiler


Book Spoiler
post #162 of 1645
HBO renews 'Game of Thrones'
Cabler adds muscle to fantasy series promotion
By Sam Thielman, Rick Kissell

HBO has picked up "Game of Thrones" right out of the gate, ordering a second season for the fantasy series just two days after the 65-minute premiere episode aired.
The series, based on George R.R. Martin's "A Song of Ice and Fire" novels and starring Peter Dinklage and Sean Bean, tracks political intrigue among the seven ruling families in a kingdom called Westeros. It is produced by David Benioff and D.B. Weiss.

"We believe in this show," HBO programming head Michael Lombardo said. "We think it's compelling, and it only grows more so over time. The decision is easy when shows are this good -- when you're not expecting to lose a few viewers after the pilot."

The net devoted months of promotion to the series, with stunts all over New York and L.A. ranging from food trucks selling branded chow cooked up by chef Tom Colicchio to pedicabs decked out to look like the series' Iron Throne. And for many, HBO was free this weekend.

Genre shows have been popular with young adults over the past year, with HBO's "True Blood" and AMC's "The Walking Dead" often beating their broadcast competition in adults 18-49.

On its opening night, "Thrones" drew 2.2 million viewers in its regular 9 o'clock slot, then added another 1.2 million for its quickie repeat at 10:05 p.m. (where it likely picked up viewers following the completion of the Boston-New York NBA playoff game on TNT). Throw in the 11:15 p.m. airing (800,000) and "Thrones" drew 4.2 million viewers, according to HBO.

The 2.2 million is larger than what "True Blood" opened to in 1.44 in September 2008 but below the 4.81 million for "Boardwalk Empire" (which was also renewed after just one installment) last September.

HBO is certainly hoping to give its subscribers numerous opportunities to watch the pilot, scheduling 11 repeats of the premiere over a roughly 30-hour span Sunday and Monday.

"Boardwalk" numbers have dropped since the premiere, but HBO co-prexy Richard Plepler said he believed "Thrones" viewers are likely to stick with the series. Plepler hopes that the new skein will follow the pattern set by the pay cabler's other genre show, "True Blood," which shored up weak initial numbers to become the net's biggest ratings draw currently running.

"It's much less important to look at the number of viewers than to look at how passionate they are," Plepler said, pointing to buzz on Twitter and in the blogosphere during and after the premiere. "I think it'll continue to grow."

"Game of Thrones" follows the first novel ("A Game of Thrones") in Martin's complex series very closely; Benioff and Weiss told Variety that they hope to adapt the second novel, "A Clash of Kings," into a similar 10-episode arc. Lombardo confirmed that the network is leaning toward a ten-seg season two.

Martin, who writes one episode each season, will be penning the teleplay for the giant battle at the end of "Clash," according to his blog. "David & Dan give me the easy stuff," he joked. The battle lasts several chapters and is one of two pivotal setpieces in the second volume, both of which are potentially expensive to produce.

Nelson McCausland, the minister for culture, arts and leisure in Northern Ireland (where much of the series is shot), said in a blog post last year that the budget for the first season was around £30 million, or about $49 million.

"George's storytelling is a challenge even for us on our budget," Lombardo said. "We're already talking about ways to do it on budget without disappointing the fans."

After season two, however, the job becomes more difficult: "A Storm of Swords," the third book in the series, is much more than a season's worth of story and weighs in at more than 1,100 pages.
post #163 of 1645
Even better job than the first ep! Only things missing that I wish they kept were Catelyn Stark telling Jon "It should have been you." and Bran's dream. I thought for sure they'd have Bran's dream, since it's related to later events - though not in the first book, so maybe that's why they dropped it for this first season.
post #164 of 1645
Touring the interactive map at HBO. My first impression of the series during the promos was negative, but it's gaining on me. Looks a little more 'Grown Up' than Tolkien.

People versed in the books will have to keep us newbies in the know

best
post #165 of 1645
Were those pups that they rescued the big wolves which killed the assassin and attacked that punk Joffrey?

Wow they grew fast.

And King and Ned were suppose to be riding to Kings Landing for a month and all of a sudden they're back in Winterfell?

Ned doesn't know that one of the wolves saved an assassination attempt on Bran?
post #166 of 1645
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Were those pups that they rescued the big wolves which killed the assassin and attacked that punk Joffrey?

Wow they grew fast.

And King and Ned were suppose to be riding to Kings Landing for a month and all of a sudden they're back in Winterfell?

Ned doesn't know that one of the wolves saved an assassination attempt on Bran?

They're Dire Wolves and are supposed to grow to be quite large. I guess they grow fast.

Another strong episode. Tyrion came across more like I expected him to, which is good. He's one of my favorite characters from the books. Loved watching him slap the little prick Joffrey.
post #167 of 1645
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Were those pups that they rescued the big wolves which killed the assassin and attacked that punk Joffrey?

Wow they grew fast.

And King and Ned were suppose to be riding to Kings Landing for a month and all of a sudden they're back in Winterfell?

Ned doesn't know that one of the wolves saved an assassination attempt on Bran?

They're on their way to King's Landing and were at an inn, days from Winterfell. It's also been a few months since they found the pups, though yes they are growing quickly.
post #168 of 1645
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Originally Posted by thedeskE View Post

Touring the interactive map at HBO. My first impression of the series during the promos was negative, but it's gaining on me. Looks a little more 'Grown Up' than Tolkien.

People versed in the books will have to keep us newbies in the know

best

Oh yes, far far more grown up.
post #169 of 1645
So the daughters and their wolves must have accompanied the King's retinue and Ned towards King's Landing?

I thought the fight took place in Winterfell.

How could the little girl make friends with the butcher's son so quickly?
post #170 of 1645
wait...spoilers allowed?, meaning people who have read the books can discuss what's going to happen in future seasons?...I hope not

EDIT: now I see there's a second non-spoiler GoT thread
post #171 of 1645
The 2nd episode lives up to the first.
Good stuff!

Would like to learn more about the critters with a penchant for decapitating....
post #172 of 1645
The time line is being sped up otherwise the first book alone would take 3 seasons. Remember it took the king months to travel from Kings landing to Winterfell so they have to compress time to make this work. What seems like minutes screentime could be days/weeks in actual time. Jon did not get to the wall in one day when he left Winterfell.
post #173 of 1645
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Originally Posted by wco81 View Post

So the daughters and their wolves must have accompanied the King's retinue and Ned towards King's Landing?

I thought the fight took place in Winterfell.

How could the little girl make friends with the butcher's son so quickly?

I think he was either Ned's or the king's butcher's boy. A traveling retinue for the royal family, with the addition of another lord and his daughters, has its baggage carts, servants, cooks, etc.
post #174 of 1645
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I think he was either Ned's or the king's butcher's boy. A traveling retinue for the royal family, with the addition of another lord and his daughters, has its baggage carts, servants, cooks, etc.

That is correct.

If you recall from the first episode, Ned and Robert made plans to marry Sansa to Joffrey. Not portrayed is Catelyn's request to send Arya along to "improve her courtly manners".

We can see how that is working out so far.

Finally, there is over a year which passes during the first book. It looks like the show is using the wolves' growth to help the viewer keep track of time.
post #175 of 1645
Last time I had HBO was to watch The Sopranos; Game of Thrones has brought me back. First 2 episodes have been great. I even bought the book for my Kindle app but haven't started reading it yet.

It's been years since I had HBO and was surprised that it wasn't in Dolby Digital, this is through Dish Network. Odd thing is, all the other HBO channels are in DD but, HBO and HBO2 (and there western counterparts) are not. Is this a Dish issue? Why would Dish pass DD for all the HBO channels except the main 2 ones? Now I have to decide if I want to reprogram my DVR to record it from one of the other channels later in the week just to get 5.1 audio.
post #176 of 1645
I think about 2 months are supposed to have passed since the pups were found, maybe a bit less. There was a remark (by Ned, I think) that the "wolves are growing fast" or something like that. Their somewhat magical nature causes them to grow faster than normal wolves. In the book, they get very large - 4 feet at the shoulders, maybe? - but I think to avoid having to CGI them, the production team just picked a large breed of husky.

The show could do a better job marking the time and locations, I'm not surprised people unfamiliar with the books are getting a bit crossed up.

I really enjoyed this episode as well, although I'm curious if people who haven't read the books found it to be a little dull. Not having the characters' internal monologues available to the viewer cuts out a lot of the tension that is present throughout the book.

I haven't been impressed thus far with the actor that plays Jon. I just feel like I can see him acting, rather than being the role. Maybe once he gets a bit more to do than stand around and look morose I'll be more impressed. Also skeptical of Robb, although he hasn't been in the show much yet. On the flip side, I'm completely sold on most of the rest of the cast now. Robert, in particular, I thought was much stronger this episode than the previous one.
post #177 of 1645
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I haven't been impressed thus far with the actor that plays Jon. I just feel like I can see him acting, rather than being the role. Maybe once he gets a bit more to do than stand around and look morose I'll be more impressed. Also skeptical of Robb, although he hasn't been in the show much yet. On the flip side, I'm completely sold on most of the rest of the cast now. Robert, in particular, I thought was much stronger this episode than the previous one.

I am with you on Robert. He did a fantastic job of portraying his ambivalence and resignation during the whole Sansa/Arya wolf condemnation scene. You could really tell he didn't want to deal with Cersei later, so he simply refused to answer Ned.
post #178 of 1645
Anyone else notice the change in the opening credits? The map shifted past Pentos to show the Dothraki horde's movement.
post #179 of 1645
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Anyone else notice the change in the opening credits? The map shifted past Pentos to show the Dothraki horde's movement.

I read somewhere that they have several different versions of the credits. They use different ones depending on where the action is during that episode. Nice touch!
post #180 of 1645
I love the opening credits, this will be one of a few shows where I will watch the credits each and everytime. I've even rewatch the credits a few times to get a better feel for the lay of the land.
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