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post #901 of 1179
6/4/12 at 12:15pm
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Overall this is still a great adaptation but I feel like several things are being missed, things which hit me hard emotionally in the books.

1. Jon Snow vs. Qhorin Halfhand. This was rushed and didn't have nearly the sense of weight and desperation that it had in the book.

2. Tyrion/Bronn/Blackwater. Lack of the chain and discussion of the role the Mountain Clans played was crucial in the books in demonstrating Tyrion's mental greatness.

3. House of the Undying. So much depth there just glossed over. I suppose GRRM even regrets now those visions and how he needs to resolve them. Pesky hanging chads at this point.

4. Jaime/Catelyn. The discussion they had before he was set free was marvelous. Here, it was basically non-existent, real missed opportunity.

5. Reed kids. Where are they?

Much editing done for tv. House of the Undying was a significant letdown. Reed kids are being cast for next year. I thought they got across how important Tyrion was and put an exclamation point on it with Varys' discussion with him in the finale. That makes his current situation seem so much more sad/dire especially with Tywin's arrogant acceptance of awards on a horse (for me to poop on!)
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post #902 of 1179
6/4/12 at 12:36pm
I wonder what they are going to do with Theon - It seems very unlikely to me that he will simply not appear for the next 2 seasons. Do you think they will try to move some of his story from DwD forward?
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post #903 of 1179
6/4/12 at 12:40pm
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I know I'm going to be alone on this but I'm finding the series much more focused than the books. I thought this episode was brilliant.

Actually, you are not along in enjoying the way the series has tightened up the sprawling story told in the A Song of Ice and Fire series. I particularly enjoyed the Daenerys thread last night. I thought the way the theft of the dragons riddle was solved, ending with the dragons' incineration of the sorcerer was brilliant theater. I also loved the dream sequence between Daenerys and her Sun and Stars and their child. Very moving.

It's going to be interesting to see next season how
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Tyrion's relationships with his father, Tywin, and his lover-whore, Shae, are handled. Really looking forward to that. Now that Theon has been kidnapped, I am anxiously awaiting the entry of the arch fiend, the former Ramsay Snow, the Bastard of Bolton, now Ramsay Bolton.
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post #904 of 1179
6/4/12 at 1:58pm
Some seem to want them to put the book on screen and just turn the pages.
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post #905 of 1179
6/4/12 at 2:34pm
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Tyrion is accused of murdering Joffrey, and is put on trial (regular, and then by combat) Long story short, he is found guilty, locked up to be executed. Jaime Lannister rescues him (with Varys' help), and during the escape Tyrion goes to the Hand's Tower after Jaime reveals the truth about Tysha not being a prostitute, where he sees Shae in his father's bed. He strangles her to death, and then shoots Tywin in the stomach with a crossbow after confronting him about Shae while on the privvy, and kills him too. The Imp then escapes via boat and heads across the Narrow Sea.

wow. how disappointing for tyrion.
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post #906 of 1179
6/4/12 at 8:21pm
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Actually, you are not along in enjoying the way the series has tightened up the sprawling story told in the A Song of Ice and Fire series. I particularly enjoyed the Daenerys thread last night. I thought the way the theft of the dragons riddle was solved, ending with the dragons' incineration of the sorcerer was brilliant theater. I also loved the dream sequence between Daenerys and her Sun and Stars and their child. Very moving.

It's going to be interesting to see next season how
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Tyrion's relationships with his father, Tywin, and his lover-whore, Shae, are handled. Really looking forward to that. Now that Theon has been kidnapped, I am anxiously awaiting the entry of the arch fiend, the former Ramsay Snow, the Bastard of Bolton, now Ramsay Bolton.

Well you and I are definately on the same pageAgree with everything you say, esp. the brilliant theater part. Daenerys entered the temple still pretty much a little girl. She left a queen, and the series captured that transformation perfectly. Yeah, we lost some of the depth the book provides but instead got great drama. It was a fair trade off.
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post #907 of 1179
6/5/12 at 5:13am
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Well you and I are definately on the same pageAgree with everything you say, esp. the brilliant theater part. Daenerys entered the temple still pretty much a little girl. She left a queen, and the series captured that transformation perfectly. Yeah, we lost some of the depth the book provides but instead got great drama. It was a fair trade off.

I can't recall if it was here or another forum where some have speculated that GRRM green-lit the streamlining of the House of Dying sequence. There are enough "visions" in the original that almost requires GRRM to address in future books that I bet he regrets writing the sequence in the first place.
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post #908 of 1179
6/6/12 at 6:55am

The House of Undying/Warlock storyline is probably my least favorite part of the entire book series.   I'm actually glad they glossed over it in the TV show.  

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post #909 of 1179
6/6/12 at 7:25am
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The House of Undying/Warlock storyline is probably my least favorite part of the entire book series.   I'm actually glad they glossed over it in the TV show.  
i wasn't crazy about the Warlock's storyline in the books either. Thus, I thought its handling in the TV series was a big improvement. As noted in an earlier post, I liked watching Dani grow up before our eyes while she freed herself and her dragons from the Warlock's control and made the Warlock pay for his perfidy. That was good theater and good storytelling.
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post #910 of 1179
6/11/12 at 6:00am
So the books had all the zombies heading towards night watch?

And Jon had to kill the other guy why?
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post #911 of 1179
6/11/12 at 6:41am
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So the books had all the zombies heading towards night watch?
And Jon had to kill the other guy why?

Book had the zombies kicking the night watches asses. They really did blend books 2&3 this season, more then I had thought till I started in on book 3.

Jon had to live and the most hated person was Halfhand to the wildlings. Thus Jon lives, gets to get intel and the halfhand dies a death of his own choosing.
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post #912 of 1179
6/11/12 at 6:47am
Hmm, zombies seem like mixing of genres here.

Kinda weak.
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post #913 of 1179
6/11/12 at 6:50am
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Hmm, zombies seem like mixing of genres here.
Kinda weak.

Well we have only seen them what twice? Buggers are way harder to kill then normal zombies I believe. Hence the 700 foot magical Ice wall thats been there to keep them out for thousands of years....
Edited by Wytchone - 6/11/12 at 11:03am
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post #914 of 1179
6/11/12 at 10:36am
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And Jon had to kill the other guy why?

To get the wildlings to trust him enough so that he can infiltrate their camp and gather as much intel on them as possible. Killing one of his own proving that he's "turned" is what Quorin was asking him to do since he knew he was going to die (probably).
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post #915 of 1179
6/11/12 at 12:16pm
One wonders just how important Jon is to the red priestess Melisandre. In the books we've seen what another devotee of the Red God can do. This question is in relationship to the ending of Book 5.
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post #916 of 1179
6/12/12 at 12:50am
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Well we have only seen them what twice? Buggers are way harder to kill then normal zombies I believe. Hence the 700 foot magical Ice wall thats been there to keep them out for thousands of years....

I'm just saying, what are we going to see next, space ships. If it comes from the books I guess the producers have no choice. But it seems they're just throwing in more characters/races/beings in an already crowded pot.
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post #917 of 1179
6/12/12 at 5:25am
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I'm just saying, what are we going to see next, space ships. If it comes from the books I guess the producers have no choice. But it seems they're just throwing in more characters/races/beings in an already crowded pot.

All from the book . In fact they have not introduced many a character (Reeds come to mind next season maybe?) that are in the book. This season blended 2 & 3 together more then I knew. Started on book 3 and alot more of this season made sense.
Edited by Wytchone - 6/14/12 at 6:17am
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post #918 of 1179
6/12/12 at 6:02am
Its a big complicated series, one that if you read once you miss a lot of the subplots. If you read the second time much more comes to light. Its easy to lose track of whats important, the white walkers, the dragons, who is/wants/will sit on the Iron Throne.

Nobody thought they could transform this to the visual media even George RR Martin (I think when he saw Rome he changed his mind). While its not perfect, they have done a outstanding job simplifying stories and bringing them all together. They could easily do 25 - 30 epidsodes a book.
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post #919 of 1179
6/12/12 at 6:10am
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I'm just saying, what are we going to see next, space ships. If it comes from the books I guess the producers have no choice. But it seems they're just throwing in more characters/races/beings in an already crowded pot.

If you think this is bad, stay away from True Blood!  

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post #920 of 1179
6/12/12 at 11:17am
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I'm just saying, what are we going to see next, space ships. If it comes from the books I guess the producers have no choice. But it seems they're just throwing in more characters/races/beings in an already crowded pot.

I'm confused by this. Both the books and the series start with the walkers killing members of the nightwatch, how are they just throwing them in? What we would call supernatural has always been a major part of the story. I think its important to remember we're seeing the events from the POV of characters living at the time, and how they would explain it to themselves. To not have magic figure in their view of the world would be inaccurate. What we call myths now were once reality for the folks living it. Maybe if Martin keeps the series going for 2000 years we'll get a scientific explaination for all the seemingly supernatural elements. Just like we now know what a comet is and a solar eclipse is not some huge being swallowing the sun.smile.gif
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post #921 of 1179
6/12/12 at 12:44pm
Remembering that this is a fantasy series. In truth, its more of a fantasy/historical hybrid. In LOTR, the king is the king because he is the king. In GMOT, hes the king because he started a rebellion, killed the king and proclaimed himself king. While magic exist in this world, it is in the background (and tied to the dragons).
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post #922 of 1179
6/12/12 at 3:45pm
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Remembering that this is a fantasy series. In truth, its more of a fantasy/historical hybrid. In LOTR, the king is the king because he is the king. In GMOT, hes the king because he started a rebellion, killed the king and proclaimed himself king. While magic exist in this world, it is in the background (and tied to the dragons).
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The supernatural is tied to their reality as much as science is to ours. Martin is trying to portray it as those living it know the world. Magic as we would call it is part of the world view. It apparently wanes in summer and grows in power in winter, and they have been in the longest summer anyone can remember. As winter comes the magic grows. Whether the growth in supernatural events is caused by the reemergence of dragons, or the reappearance of dragons is merely another sign of the growth of magic, is debateable.
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post #923 of 1179
6/12/12 at 4:35pm
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The supernatural is tied to their reality as much as science is to ours. Martin is trying to portray it as those living it know the world. Magic as we would call it is part of the world view. It apparently wanes in summer and grows in power in winter, and they have been in the longest summer anyone can remember. As winter comes the magic grows. Whether the growth in supernatural events is caused by the reemergence of dragons, or the reappearance of dragons is merely another sign of the growth of magic, is debateable.
Anyone questioning the choices of the show in this thread has to realize that the creators can edit GRRMs choices, but proven over the last 2 seasons won't alter Westerosverse significantly. There won't be aliens (hopefully), but Dragons, Others, Faceless Men, Wights(undead), Direwolves imprinted by Starks, Maesters (specialized Alchemist/Magician/Scholar class), occult Preist/Presitesses and perhaps wizards are part of this world. They're integrated subtlely and have impact, but aren't part of the main POV character's (except for Dany) struggles with the Game. They just have to be accounted for. We know more than the characters in the story. They only know their parts. I'm sure GRRM intends to bring it all together. The Dragons will be big, maybe the Direwolves vs. the overarching enemy, and it's champions, the White Walkers. However, before we get to that faceoiff, a ton of characters have to live out their stories and misunderstandings...lots of drama and chaos...and...we all may be disappointed in the end. You may not like where the story goes. I've had my issues and would prefer a quicker and cleaner pace, but if you find it contrived or too familiar, stop watching or reading.
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post #924 of 1179
6/12/12 at 5:44pm
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Anyone questioning the choices of the show in this thread has to realize that the creators can edit GRRMs choices, but proven over the last 2 seasons won't alter Westerosverse significantly. There won't be aliens (hopefully), but Dragons, Others, Faceless Men, Wights(undead), Direwolves imprinted by Starks, Maesters (specialized Alchemist/Magician/Scholar class), occult Preist/Presitesses and perhaps wizards are part of this world. They're integrated subtlely and have impact, but aren't part of the main POV character's (except for Dany) struggles with the Game. They just have to be accounted for. We know more than the characters in the story. They only know their parts. I'm sure GRRM intends to bring it all together. The Dragons will be big, maybe the Direwolves vs. the overarching enemy, and it's champions, the White Walkers. However, before we get to that faceoiff, a ton of characters have to live out their stories and misunderstandings...lots of drama and chaos...and...we all may be disappointed in the end. You may not like where the story goes. I've had my issues and would prefer a quicker and cleaner pace, but if you find it contrived or too familiar, stop watching or reading.

I'm confused again. I thought I was defending the show runner's choices as well as Martin's storyline. Did it come off as I was questioning the way they're going?
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post #925 of 1179
6/12/12 at 8:53pm
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So the books had all the zombies heading towards night watch?
And Jon had to kill the other guy why?

This was all handled much better in the books.
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post #926 of 1179
6/12/12 at 9:32pm
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This was all handled much better in the books.

Have to agree. I've had only minor quibbles with any of the other changes, and actually like a lot of them. Burt Jon's story has been the weak link. I can hardly imagine how anyone can fully understand it without reading the book.
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post #927 of 1179
6/13/12 at 1:41am
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I'm confused again. I thought I was defending the show runner's choices as well as Martin's storyline. Did it come off as I was questioning the way they're going?
No, I liked your post...should have put a +1 before my appendix to your reply to the other guy(s)biggrin.gif
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post #928 of 1179
6/13/12 at 8:27pm
Sorry I havnt been active but I have felt lost without the iPhone app. Anyways I thought season 1 was much better than season 2. I still enjoyed season 2 immensely but season 1 was better. I'm definitely looking forward to next season and I believe i read somewhere that book 3 will be split into 2 ten episode seasons and that was confirmed. Totally necessary in order to cover all the main events since basically book 3 ends many storylines and finishes up several arcs. The Reeds have also been cast as well. Here comes little grandfather and his sister Meera. Also Bran is going to need his basket if they expect to make it north of the wall.
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post #929 of 1179
6/14/12 at 6:19am
GWB head in season 1?
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post #930 of 1179
6/14/12 at 9:19am
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Hmm, zombies seem like mixing of genres here.
Kinda weak.
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I'm just saying, what are we going to see next, space ships. If it comes from the books I guess the producers have no choice. But it seems they're just throwing in more characters/races/beings in an already crowded pot.

Zombie type creatures have been around in fantasy novels long before the current fad of putting zombies in everything. In fact they were Game of Thrones long before the current fad of putting zombies in everything.
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