AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official LG XXLD450 Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Official LG XXLD450 Thread - Page 42

post #1231 of 1536
4/4/11 at 12:47pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

Wait, the input lag may be different? I ONLY got this one because it was 1080p with so little lag!

No, no. I don't think there's any reason there'd be any differences in input lag with non-S-IPS versions of the set. I just meant that I believe the people who have actually measured input lag, so far, have done so with S-IPS panels, and that I don't think any conclusive tests have been done on any non-S-IPS panels. My belief is that there would be no difference at all if someone were to do tests on my set, because I don't notice any input lag whatsoever. I just wanted to make sure the facts were all known as far as objective, conclusive testing is concerned.

[EDIT]: If you're referring to the slight blurring that sometimes occurs in games with really drab grey/brown backgrounds, that has nothing to do with input lag. That would be a product of pixel response time, I believe. I'm not positive, but I think I once read that with A-MVA panels, they can take longer to switch between shades of grey in some cases. I'm not at all certain that's correct (so don't take it as fact), but it might explain why I've seen a little blurring in games with really drab backgrounds.
Reply
Reply

Gear mentioned in this thread:

post #1232 of 1536
4/4/11 at 1:01pm
I have a few questions if anyone could help please?

Im trying to figure out how to access the service menu and have tried what has been previously mentioned (pressing 1, 1, 1, 1, 1 whilst in menu with options highlighted - can't see option for network though?) I've also tried simultaniously pressing and holding both ok buttons on remote and tv, as well as pressing both menu buttons at the same time but no joy.... Someone mentioned something about an EZ access/setup menu as well which im not sure if they are the same thing as service menu?

Does anyone know how to do this?

Also theres not been much mention about firmware..... Is it possible to update firmware on these tv's via its usb port? and indeed is there anywhere where firmware updates for the LD450 can be found to download? Ive checked the LG site under support but found nothing and had a good search on google but again found no information....

I notice if you press menu and then the red button which takes you to customer support, there is an option to enable/disable automatic software update, is this something to do with firmware update? and does anyone know the times (if any) the tv will check for these updates?


For reference my tv is the 32" (32LD450-ZA.BEKWLJP)..... UK
Software version 03.03.23

Win7 Ultimate (x64)
Ati Radeon HD2400
DVI - HDMI connection
Just scan

I use rawashdeh's latest settings, but changed the colour temperature to medium instead of warm (tried ALL the others but prefer his the best by far)

Quote:
Originally Posted by rawashdeh View Post

New settings to calm down the blue a little bit:


Code:
Best settings expert 1                                                                                  
                                                                                        
BACKLIGHT       48                                                                              
CONTRAST        81                                                                              
BRIGHTNESS      69                                                                              
H SHARPNESS     65                                                                              
V SHARPNESS     54                                                                              
COLOR   50                                                                              
TINT    G3                                                                              
                                                                                        
BLACK LEVEL     LOW                                                                             
COLOR   BT709                                                                           
EDGE ENHANCER   Low                                                                             
COLOR TEMPREATURE       WARM                                                                            
GAMA    2.2                                                                             
METHOD  10 PONT                                                                         
IRE     100     90      80      70      60      50      40      30      20      10      0
LUMINANCE       150                                                                             
RED     3       0       9       5       7       7       8       16      10      9       50
GREEN   1       0       0       0       2       0       0       12      5       2       -50
BLUE    6       25      22      19      17      12      14      20      15      3       -50
                                                                                        
CMS                                                                                     
RED COLOR       -1                                                                              
RED TINT        6                                                                               
GREEN COLOR     2                                                                               
GREEN TINT      8                                                                               
BLUE COLOR      -2                                                                              
BLUE TINT       -11                                                                             
YELLOW COLOR    0                                                                               
YELLOW TINT     -1                                                                              
CYAN COLOR      1                                                                               
CYAN TINT       1                                                                               
MAGENTA COLOR   18                                                                              
MAGENTA TINT    8
Reply
Reply
post #1233 of 1536
4/4/11 at 1:04pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

No, no. I don't think there's any reason there'd be any differences in input lag with non-S-IPS versions of the set. I just meant that I believe the people who have actually measured input lag, so far, have done so with S-IPS panels, and that I don't think any conclusive tests have been done on any non-S-IPS panels. My belief is that there would be no difference at all if someone were to do tests on my set, because I don't notice any input lag whatsoever. I just wanted to make sure the facts were all known as far as objective, conclusive testing is concerned.

[EDIT]: If you're referring to the slight blurring that sometimes occurs in games with really drab grey/brown backgrounds, that has nothing to do with input lag. That would be a product of pixel response time, I believe. I'm not positive, but I think I once read that with A-MVA panels, they can take longer to switch between shades of grey in some cases. I'm not at all certain that's correct (so don't take it as fact), but it might explain why I've seen a little blurring in games with really drab backgrounds.

Well that's a relief. It's coming in tomorrow, I really hope I get an S-IPS but if I get the MVA what do I lose/gain?

By the way you're the man Angry Lion! You've been really helpful!
Reply
Reply
post #1234 of 1536
4/4/11 at 1:26pm
@ wild_thing: I don't personally know much about getting into the service menu, so someone else here will have to help you there. But as far as firmware is concerned, I don't think I've ever read anything about being able to get updates from anywhere, but I may be mistaken.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

Well that's a relief. It's coming in tomorrow, I really hope I get an S-IPS but if I get the MVA what do I lose/gain?

By the way you're the man Angry Lion! You've been really helpful!

Thanks, and you're very welcome. I'm not really the one to ask about really technical questions though, since I've always admitted that my knowledge in, and experience with flat panel technology (plasma or LCD) is very limited, relatively speaking. My 37LD450 is my first flat panel TV ever, and I've only had it since last June. Just wanted to make that clear.

As for S-IPS and A-MVA panel differences, an excellent page to read up on all that stuff is here (it's updated regularly, though some of the information may be outdated): http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles...es_content.htm

Note that where they're comparing S-IPS to VA panels, they're often comparing to standard VA technology, and not A-MVA, which is newer. They have sections on both S-IPS and A-MVA panels, as well as any other LCD panel type going, pretty much.

Someone else asked me what some of the key differences are in a PM, and I wrote the following:

Quote:


Most people (though not all) seem to think that an S-IPS panel is superior in most ways. I'm not an expert by any means (this is my first flat panel TV ever, so my first hand experience is limited), but from what I can gather, some of the main differences between an S-IPS panel (what you have), and an A-MVA panel (what I've got) are:

S-IPS:
  • Better viewing angles (though blacks can shift to blue/purple when viewed from major angles from what I understand).
  • More accurate colour reproduction.
  • Fast pixel response times.

A-MVA:
  • Better black levels.
  • More contrast (images can be more vibrant).
  • Pixel response times are also fast, though not quite as fast as an S-IPS panel. I believe the LG S-IPS panel has a pixel response time of 2 ms, whereas the AU Optronics A-MVA panel has a pixel response time of 4 ms. This has no affect on input lag, which is a different thing altogether (some people get these 2 things confused). All LD450s seem to have extremely low input lag.
  • Blacks stay black when viewed from an angle, although (see below)...
  • Viewing angles not quite so good, though they're not bad at all as far as I'm concerned (subjective opinion). With that said, I'd also add that I'm almost always directly in front of my TV, so maybe it would bother me more if I always had to sit at an angle. There is a slight shift in image vibrancy when viewed from angles.

Again though, that's only my admittedly very limited understanding, so I may be wrong on one or two points, or I may be missing some other key differences. If anyone spots anything that's wrong, don't hesitate to correct me.
Reply
Reply
post #1235 of 1536
4/4/11 at 3:36pm
Just had a look on the cd manual for info on software update and this is what it says: (this was copied from adobe so pictures are missing)


■ When setting Software Update Occasionally, a transmission of updated digital software information will result in the following menu on the TV screen.

Simple Update : for current update stream

Schedule Update : for scheduled update stream

A window as display below appears when download completes.

TV is restarted when "Yes" is selected.

When the Software Update menu is "Off", the message to change it to "On" appears.

Download starts when "Yes" is selected. At this time, progressing pop-up window does not display. Download progress status can be checked from Software Update menu.

- During Progress of a Software Update, please note the following:

Power to the TV must not be interrupted.

The antenna must not be disconnected.

After Software Update, you can confirm the updated software version in Software Update menu.

It may take hours to download the software, so make sure that the power stays on during the download.

The software is downloaded only in Standby mode or in MUX with Software Update Service, and stops when the power cord is unplugged or when viewing MUX without Software Update Service.

When you return to Standby mode or MUX with Software Update Service, the software download will resume from where it stopped.


So this leads me to ask has anyone ever had a request to update the software? I haven't had the aerial plugged into mine as i watch tv and do everything through my computer.

Please can people with the 32" model post what firmware / software version their running please?
Reply
Reply
post #1236 of 1536
4/4/11 at 4:21pm
@Angry Lion: So what you're saying is there's some minor variations and there's no hard numbers for input lag on the MVA version?
Reply
Reply
post #1237 of 1536
4/4/11 at 5:10pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild_thing View Post

So this leads me to ask has anyone ever had a request to update the software? I haven't had the aerial plugged into mine as i watch tv and do everything through my computer.

Please can people with the 32" model post what firmware / software version their running please?

The OTA firmware upgrade feature only exists for European models (maybe Asia too). Since this forum is more North America centric, it might be tough to find others that have gone through this process. If you haven't checked it out already, there's an EU centric LD450 thread on avforum that'll have more users on your side of the pond

As for firmware versions, I have two that are 03.04.33 and one that is 03.04.27. I have no idea if NA and EU firmware versions are interchangeable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

@Angry Lion: So what you're saying is there's some minor variations and there's no hard numbers for input lag on the MVA version?

At one point, I owned an A-MVA version of this TV. Although I didn't run any lag tests on it, I didn't *feel* it any different than the S-IPS version. I'm pretty sensitive to lag and my threshold for detection with the naked eye is 2 frames -- anything less and I can't tell the difference. So at the very least, there's a high confidence that the A-MVA is less-than-or-equal to 2 frames of lag.

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

stuff

Thanks a bunch for helping out with your responses. Its nice (or sad?) to have another LD450 aficionado out there
Reply
Reply
post #1238 of 1536
4/4/11 at 5:29pm
@ Smashbro29: No, I didn't mean to say there were any variations; just that no input lag tests have been done (that I know of) with the A-MVA panel, so anything is possible. But as I said, I personally don't detect any input lag whatsoever, so it's my personal belief that the input lag on both panel types is probably virtually the same (that is, there's close to none, or at least extremely little).

Quote:
Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum View Post

Thanks a bunch for helping out with your responses. Its nice (or sad?) to have another LD450 aficionado out there

I have to admit, I actually LOLed at your succinct summary of one of my many overly wordy posts. I just like helping when I can, even if I don't always know all the facts (I'll let people know if that's the case, though). You're definitely the person to ask for most things technical, and you've always seemed extremely helpful, so you have my thanks for that.
Reply
Reply
post #1239 of 1536
4/4/11 at 5:33pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by thepoohcontinuum View Post

The OTA firmware upgrade feature only exists for European models (maybe Asia too). Since this forum is more North America centric, it might be tough to find others that have gone through this process. If you haven't checked it out already, there's an EU centric LD450 thread on avforum that'll have more users on your side of the pond

As for firmware versions, I have two that are 03.04.33 and one that is 03.04.27. I have no idea if NA and EU firmware versions are interchangeable


Ah ok.

Maybe my firmware is up to date? i just saw others here mentioning firmware revisions that seem to be more recent than mine. About the other thread, yes ive been having a look at that earlier and a few peeople were asking about updating firmware but no definitive answers.

I guess if its not broke i shouldn't try to fix it....

Thanks for your response friend
Reply
Reply
post #1240 of 1536
4/4/11 at 6:19pm
@Angry Lion: Way I see it S-IPS panels that were tested had 1-2 frames, and since you pick up on 3 or more and didn't on the MVA it's either the same or better then the S-IPS, make sense? Also, do the tests apply to all types of input devices (HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite) and resolutions?
Reply
Reply
post #1241 of 1536
4/4/11 at 6:31pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

Out of curiosity is it THAT bad if I don't get an IPS panel? I'll mainly be using this for gaming and... well not much else to be honest will it matter?

I'd like to try out a AUO panel for the xxld450 line as blacks should be better on VA panels vs IPS. I have another TV in the house (futureshop brand) Dynex 26" and its using an AUO panel AUO_T260XW04_V7 and I prefer watching movies on it as black levels are better (Viewing angles aren't that great however).

more info on the dynex: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...3&postcount=15
Reply
Reply
post #1242 of 1536
4/4/11 at 6:35pm
Not sure if this has been posted found the Service Manual for 42ld450

if the link goes down I can mirror it somewhere else

http://monitor.net.ru/forum/pafiledb...e4156c18b5.pdf

Here's screen grab of whats in there


Reply
Reply
post #1243 of 1536
4/4/11 at 6:44pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

@Angry Lion: Way I see it S-IPS panels that were tested had 1-2 frames, and since you pick up on 3 or more and didn't on the MVA it's either the same or better then the S-IPS, make sense?

Actually, it's thepoohcontinuum who said he can pick up on that number, not me. You can believe that if he's experienced both panel types, he knows what he's talking about. The thing about input lag is that I think it most often comes from the use of image processing features, which can cause delay, and I imagine both the S-IPS and A-MVA versions of the set have identical image processing features, so there probably wouldn't be any difference as far as input lag goes.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

Also, do the tests apply to all types of input devices (HDMI, VGA, Component, Composite) and resolutions?

This I don't know. Someone else here should know, though. For the record, I have my PS2 hooked up via component in case you'd like to know.

I hope your experiences will all be good ones for you when you get your set tomorrow. I have a feeling they will be. Most (though not all) people who have gotten this set who post on the forum seem to be very happy with it.
Reply
Reply
post #1244 of 1536
4/4/11 at 6:54pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

I'd like to try out a AUO panel for the xxld450 line as blacks should be better on VA panels vs IPS. I have another TV in the house (futureshop brand) Dynex 26" and its using an AUO panel AUO_T260XW04_V7 and I prefer watching movies on it as black levels are better (Viewing angles aren't that great however).

I've had my 37LD450 opened up by a technician to replace my panel (was hoping it'd fix a buzzing hum issue I was having), so I got to see the exact panel product code. I can't say for certain if all A-MVA versions of the LD450 use the same panel, of course, but my panel's product code is T370HW03 in case you were interested in knowing and wanted to try checking up on it.
Reply
Reply
post #1245 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:03pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

Actually, it's thepoohcontinuum who said he can pick up on that number, not me. You can believe that if he's experienced both panel types, he knows what he's talking about. The thing about input lag is that I think it most often comes from the use of image processing features, which can cause delay, and I imagine both the S-IPS and A-MVA versions of the set have identical image processing features, so there probably wouldn't be any difference as far as input lag goes.




This I don't know. Someone else here should know, though. For the record, I have my PS2 hooked up via component in case you'd like to know.

I hope your experiences will all be good ones for you when you get your set tomorrow. I have a feeling they will be. Most (though not all) people who have gotten this set who post on the forum seem to be very happy with it.

Thanks man! Any tips for when it arrives? I could feel for lag on Wii (Big time Smash player) But I wonder about VGA..
Reply
Reply
post #1246 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:16pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

Thanks man! Any tips for when it arrives? I could feel for lag on Wii (Big time Smash player) But I wonder about VGA..

Again, you've very welcome. My only tips would be:

1) Check thepoohcontinuum's LD450 FAQ (link) for links to where you'll find some people's calibration numbers, bearing in mind that what looks good to others may not look good to you, so don't be afraid to fiddle around on your own if you're not completely happy with someone else's suggestions.

2) Enjoy your new toy.

3) Try not to let my bad habit of over-explaining things get on your nerves too bad.
Reply
Reply
post #1247 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:20pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by wild_thing View Post

Ah ok.

Maybe my firmware is up to date? i just saw others here mentioning firmware revisions that seem to be more recent than mine. About the other thread, yes ive been having a look at that earlier and a few peeople were asking about updating firmware but no definitive answers.

I guess if its not broke i shouldn't try to fix it....

Thanks for your response friend

Expert Mode Firmware update

you need a usb stick in

Open picture menu, highlight options and press 7 (7 times) till it comes up however I haven't seen any firmware released for ld450 in North America

There is a european version but email exchanged with LG tech said dont try the upgrade lol
Reply
Reply
post #1248 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:27pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

I've had my 37LD450 opened up by a technician to replace my panel (was hoping it'd fix a buzzing hum issue I was having), so I got to see the exact panel product code. I can't say for certain if all A-MVA versions of the LD450 use the same panel, of course, but my panel's product code is T370HW03 in case you were interested in knowing and wanted to try checking up on it.

I googled T370HW03 and it shows Samsung and Sony use that AUO panel in their tvs so its probably higher quality than the one in my dynex and only complaint about Dynex is viewing angles are poor (No input lag i can notice, blacks are good when viewing straight on and text is good not as good as LG IPS in definition but good)
Reply
Reply
post #1249 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:39pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

I googled T370HW03 and it shows Samsung and Sony use that AUO panel in their tvs so its probably higher quality than the one in my dynex and only complaint about Dynex is viewing angles are poor (No input lag i can notice, blacks are good when viewing straight on and text is good not as good as LG IPS in definition but good)

Glad to hear the Dynex set seems like a good one. I was considering a Dynex (from FutureShop) before deciding on the LG, and there's always a good chance I might end up getting a Dynex down the road if my LD450 ever craps out on me (though I did plump for FS's 3 year extended warranty). The thing I liked the most about the Dynex sets is the huge number of inputs they have.
Reply
Reply
post #1250 of 1536
4/4/11 at 7:43pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

Glad to hear the Dynex set seems like a good one. I was considering a Dynex (from FutureShop) before deciding on the LG, and there's always a good chance I might end up getting a Dynex down the road if my LD450 ever craps out on me (though I did plump for FS's 3 year extended warranty). The thing I liked the most about the Dynex sets is the huge number of inputs they have.

yep it gets slack for being a no name brand but I've been happy with it

i can't guarantee an auo panel in all Dynex probably be hit and miss like all manufacturers now)
Reply
Reply
post #1251 of 1536
4/4/11 at 8:01pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

yep it gets slack for being a no name brand but I've been happy with it

i can't guarantee an auo panel in all Dynex probably be hit and miss like all manufacturers now)

Some people place too much stock in brand names, lol. Most companies, no matter the name, make both higher end and lower end stuff, so a brand name doesn't always mean better quality. And even in higher end stuff, brand name companies will always use inferior/cheaper parts when they can get away with it. Looking at FS's site now, it seems to me the Dynex sets have very high customer ratings (over 4 out of 5 stars), so they must be doing something right.
Reply
Reply
post #1252 of 1536
4/4/11 at 8:19pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

Some people place too much stock in brand names, lol. Most companies, no matter the name, make both higher end and lower end stuff, so a brand name doesn't always mean better quality. And even in higher end stuff, brand name companies will always use inferior/cheaper parts when they can get away with it. Looking at FS's site now, it seems to me the Dynex sets have very high customer ratings (over 4 out of 5 stars), so they must be doing something right.



lol
Reply
Reply
post #1253 of 1536
4/4/11 at 8:28pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Angry Lion View Post

Again, you've very welcome. My only tips would be:

1) Check thepoohcontinuum's LD450 FAQ (link) for links to where you'll find some people's calibration numbers, bearing in mind that what looks good to others may not look good to you, so don't be afraid to fiddle around on your own if you're not completely happy with someone else's suggestions.

2) Enjoy your new toy.

3) Try not to let my bad habit of over-explaining things get on your nerves too bad.

Can do boss!!
Reply
Reply
post #1254 of 1536
4/4/11 at 8:42pm
@ jangaboo: LOL That made me smile.

@ Smashbro29: Cool. I really hope tomorrow holds nothing but good things for you when you get your new TV.

@ both: Well, I'm on Atlantic time here, so I should probably try and get to bed soon, meaning I'll be shutting down my PC. Take care, and goodnight.
Reply
Reply
post #1255 of 1536
4/5/11 at 7:14pm
Hey guys Im new to calibrating and all that so I need help.
Today I bought a LG 42LD450 for my room. I want to calibrate the picture settings to its best. Im going to be using the TV for my PS3/360 (Gaming and Blu Rays) Can someone quote me the best settings for this TV in my room ? If it helps, my room is dark most of the time and Im usually sitting/laying less than 6-7 feet away from the TV.Thank you
Reply
Reply
post #1256 of 1536
4/5/11 at 8:05pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMARKz View Post

Hey guys Im new to calibrating and all that so I need help.
Today I bought a LG 42LD450 for my room. I want to calibrate the picture settings to its best. Im going to be using the TV for my PS3/360 (Gaming and Blu Rays) Can someone quote me the best settings for this TV in my room ? If it helps, my room is dark most of the time and Im usually sitting/laying less than 6-7 feet away from the TV.Thank you

Hi, and welcome. First, you'd need to know what panel type your LD450 has: an IPS variant, or perhaps an A-MVA. The calibration numbers you'd want will depend on the panel type, typically. It'll also depend on the exact lighting conditions of your room, but since no one here can see things first hand, it'd be hard to recommend perfectly exact settings for your room. To find out how to check for your panel type, and also find links to different people's recommended picture settings if you want to try them, go check thepoohcontinuum's LD450 FAQ, located in this very thread, here: LINK

If you have any questions regarding anything not covered in the FAQ, or just other general questions, don't hesitate to ask. There are some very helpful people around here.
Reply
Reply
post #1257 of 1536
4/5/11 at 11:09pm
I WON THE LOTTERY!!!!! 47LD450-UA.AUSWLFR

Only thing is, I don't understand all the modes and color settings I've read...
Reply
Reply
post #1258 of 1536
4/5/11 at 11:27pm
Thanks, I just checked my panel and I have a D panel. Out of everyone's settings on that FAQ page, which do you recommend I use for using with my PS3 and 360? (Both connected via HDMI- For Gaming and Blu Rays)
Reply
Reply
post #1259 of 1536
4/6/11 at 12:45am
I use the settings below for pc use, but have changed colour temperature to medium (or cool), and reduced contrast to 76 and brightness to 65 which is the difference between being able to see the gray parts in say ebay and not seeing them (its amazing that small adjustments can make such a big difference to the end result)

IPS

rawashdeh's settings

Quote:


Expert mode 1 or 2 whichever you want

Code:
                                                                                                                        
BACKLIGHT       48                                                                              
CONTRAST        81                                                                              
BRIGHTNESS      69                                                                              
H SHARPNESS     65                                                                              
V SHARPNESS     54                                                                              
COLOR   50                                                                              
TINT    G3                                                                              
                                                                                        
BLACK LEVEL     LOW                                                                             
COLOR   BT709                                                                           
EDGE ENHANCER   Low                                                                             
COLOR TEMPREATURE       WARM                                                                            
GAMA    2.2                                                                             
METHOD  10 PONT                                                                         
IRE     100     90      80      70      60      50      40      30      20      10      0
LUMINANCE       150                                                                             
RED     3       0       9       5       7       7       8       16      10      9       50
GREEN   1       0       0       0       2       0       0       12      5       2       -50
BLUE    6       25      22      19      17      12      14      20      15      3       -50
                                                                                        
CMS                                                                                     
RED COLOR       -1                                                                              
RED TINT        6                                                                               
GREEN COLOR     2                                                                               
GREEN TINT      8                                                                               
BLUE COLOR      -2                                                                              
BLUE TINT       -11                                                                             
YELLOW COLOR    0                                                                               
YELLOW TINT     -1                                                                              
CYAN COLOR      1                                                                               
CYAN TINT       1                                                                               
MAGENTA COLOR   18                                                                              
MAGENTA TINT    8

Quote:


With your settings on my 47" S-IPS, I was getting severe white crush. Using the white saturation test from lagom (link), I could only make out blocks 200, 244, and 245. I had to dial down the contrast setting to around 70 before I could make out blocks up to 252. I also bumped up the backlight setting to around 65, as it helped make whites whiter.

I also changed Edge Enhancer to Off, and set H/V Sharpness to 33/55. For my particular set, it made text a little bit more sharper and got rid most of the ringing/halo artifacts around text.
As for the "skin too yellow" issue, your settings definitely alleviates this problem.

Quote:


I put in rawashdeh's settings, adjusted color temp to medium and backlight to 100 and it looks fantastic.

Quote:


Congratulations!

Your settings are the most sane settings I've seen in the "xxLD450" thread in a long time.

Owners should take note of what you have. No matter what your input, in order to get the best black levels with no black crush, BackLight should be 50 or below (as you have), preferably between 25 and 40 if your room lighting permits it. It's all about ambient room light, with no direct light shining on the screen. And, it's always better to increase Brightness than BackLight to increase details in low light picture areas.

Lastly, the best and cheapest way to enhance picture quality perception is to install a 13 watt, 850 lumen, 5500K -6500K compact florescent light behind the TV, reflecting and providing soft, indirect light from the wall


A collection of other members settings and responses> (some of the numbers don't quite line up but they're all there)

IPS

thepoohcontinuum's settings

Quote:


For 100% PC usage and in a semi-dark room, I found these settings worked best for me...

Aspect Ratio: Just Scan
Energy Saving: Off
Picture Mode: ISF Expert1 (or Expert2)
Backlight: 70
Contrast: 63
Brightness: 74
HSharpess: 34
VSharpness: 53
Color: 60
Tint: G5

Dynamic Contrast: Off
Noise Reduction: Off
Digi Noise Reduction: Off
Black Level: Low
Real Cinema: Off (locked)
Color Gamut: BT709
Edge Enhancer: Off
xvYCC: Off (locked)
Expert Pattern: Off (locked)
Color Filter: Off
Color Temp: Cool
Gamma: 2.2

... rest are pbc's Day settings

Method: 10 Point IRE

Luminance 169
IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 11 4 5 1 1 0 1 -3 -5 -8 50
G 9 10 9 6 6 3 1 -3 -7 -12 50
B 4 7 7 3 2 -2 -4 -10 -19 -23 -50


CMS Color Tint
R 9 -18
G 1 -11
B -1 12
Y 20 -2
C -2 1
M 2 -3




AUO panel

Pbc's settings

Quote:


Went through another calibration, this time with gamma at 2.4 (I kind of like a higher gamma on some sets so will try this out), and paid attention to the correct Y values for each IRE (hard to see on ColorHCFR with Windows 7). Incredible results, a set this cheap shouldn't measure this well!!

Here are the new settings:

Expert1
Backlight 33 35 ftL
Contrast 86
Brightness 52
H Sharpness 50
V Sharpness 50
Color 53
Tint G5
Dynamic Contrast Off
Noise Reduction Off
DNR Off
black level Low
Real Cinema Off
Color Gamut BT709
Color Temp Warm
Gamma 2.4
Method 10 pt 10pt
Expert1
Luminance 114

IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 6 -1 2 -1 0 -2 -2 -4 -5 -6 50
G 9 9 9 6 5 -1 -2 -5 -6 -10 44
B 3 5 5 -1 -2 -7 -8 -15 -24 -22 -50

CMS Color Tint
R 9 -18
G 0 -11
B -1 12
Y 17 -2
C -2 1
M 2 -3
__________________

Okay, switched back to 2.2 Gamma, and ended up doing a Day calibration (at 50ftL) and a Night time one (at approx. 35ftL).

Expert1 (Day)
Backlight 50 50ftL
Contrast 86
Brightness 52
H Sharpness 50
V Sharpness 50
Color 53
Tint G5
Dynamic Contrast Off
Noise Reduction Off
DNR Off
black level Low
Real Cinema Off
Color Gamut BT709
Color Temp Warm
Gamma 2.2
Method 10 pt 10pt
Expert1
Luminance 169

IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 11 4 5 1 1 0 1 -3 -5 -8 50
G 9 10 9 6 6 3 1 -3 -7 -12 50
B 4 7 7 3 2 -2 -4 -10 -19 -23 -50

CMS Color Tint
R 9 -18
G 1 -11
B -1 12
Y 20 -2
C -2 1
M 2 -3

Expert2 (Night)

Backlight 37 35ftL
Contrast 85
Brightness 43
H Sharpness 50
V Sharpness 50
Color 50
Tint 0
Dynamic Contrast Off
Noise Reduction Off
DNR Off
black level Low
Real Cinema Off
Color Gamut BT709
Color Temp Warm
Gamma 2.2

Method 10 pt 10pt
Expert1
Luminance 113

IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R -3 0 4 4 6 7 6 5 6 7 50
G 6 5 8 6 7 5 6 3 4 1 50
B 8 -3 0 -2 -1 -2 -3 -5 -10 -15 -50

CMS Color Tint
R 6 0
G 5 -20
B 5 27
Y 22 -5
C 1 0
M 5 -4



Quote:


Well i finally got it just about right. I have my westinghouse and my 42ld450 hooked up at the same time and i did some color calibration comparing it to the westinghouse and i have them almost identical. I have an IPS panel so here is my lay out if you would like to try it on your tv.

I am hooked up through hdmi on my computer and games / movies look perfect now.

Expert1 (Day)
Backlight 100
Contrast 86
Brightness 52
H Sharpness 50
V Sharpness 50
Color 53
Tint 0
Dynamic Contrast Off
Noise Reduction Off
DNR Off
black level Low
Real Cinema Off
Color Gamut BT709
Color Temp Warm
Gamma 2.2
Method 10 pt 10pt
Expert1
Luminance 169
IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 4 2 5 2 3 3 3 1 0 -1 50
G 8 8 9 6 6 4 3 0 -2 -6 50
B 11 3 4 1 1 -2 -4 -8 -15 -19 -50
CMS Color Tint
R 9 -18
G 1 -11
B -1 12
Y -5 -10
C -2 1
M 2 -3

It is basicly the same as pbcs with slight modifications but those modifications were the difference between me being able to tell if i clicked a link on google (so it turns purplish) or haven't clicked on a link (blue) before they both looked the same.

hope this helps

EDIT: well im almost there this helped but i am having a problem with red and magenta. In video games its almost impossible to read as text if they are in red or magenta.

??? panel

KND's settings

Quote:


Energy Save: Off

Picture Mode: Expert1 (or Expert2)

The table didn't line up very well, but the 1st number is for the Expert1 settings that I use for daytime, and the 2nd number is for Expert2 settings that are used for nighttime. The Luminance value is not important for these settings - it is only used when calibrating.

Expert1 Expert2

Backlight 45 (about 60ftL) 22 (about 30 ftL)

Contrast 94 94
Brightness 53 53
H Sharpness 50 50
V Sharpness 50 50
Color 50 50
Tint 0 0

Dynamic Contrast your choice your choice
Noise Reduction your choice your choice
DNR your choice your choice
black level low low
Real Cinema Off Off
Color Gamut BT709 BT709
Color Temp Warm Warm
Gamma 2.2 2.2

Method 10 pt 10 pt

Expert1

100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 49 10 8 6 3 5 4 2 0 -3 0
G 5 3 2 2 1 2 3 1 0 0 0
B -30 -11 -10 -7 -9 -6 -3 -2 -3 -8 0

Expert2

100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 50 9 6 6 4 4 5 2 0 -8 0
G 0 2 0 1 3 1 3 0 -2 2 0
B -50 -13 -15 -10 -7 -8 -4 -4 -5 -11 0

Expert1
Color Tint

R -2 15
G 25 19
B -3 -20
Y 10 -2
C 6 1
M 0 -2

Expert2
Color Tint

R -2 14
G 16 13
B -1 -22
Y 13 -2
C 10 0
M 1 -2

Quote:


KND settings might be typed in backwards? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...4&postcount=33 - its unusual seeing -30 or -50 blue at IRE 100, usually see that at 0 IRE

i tried his settings other way around and they look alright on my 42ld450 super ips

Expert1
IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 0 -3 0 2 4 5 3 6 8 10 49
G 0 0 0 1 3 2 1 2 2 3 5
B 0 -8 -3 -2 -3 -6 -9 -7 -10 -11 -30

Expert2

IRE 100 90 80 70 60 50 40 30 20 10 0
R 0 -8 0 2 5 4 4 6 6 9 50
G 0 2 -2 0 3 1 3 1 0 2 0
B 0 -11 -5 -4 -4 -8 -7 -10 -15 -13 -50


Panel???

hboogz's settings (Ok on my ips)

Quote:


My settings are as followed:

Computer Settings:

• NVIDIA AGP 8x Geoforce GTS 6200 set to 1920 x 1080p @ 60hz (The video card is ancient but it does work at this resolution well)

• Image Sharpening: 0
Brightness: 50
Digital Vibrance: 0
Gamma: 1.0
Contrast: 85

LG Settings

• Make sure you're connected into the HDMI/DVI port and you've changed the Input Lable for PC.

Picture Mode: Standard*

• Backlight: 50

Contrast: 85
Brightness: 45
Sharpness: 32
Color: 50
Tint: 0
Color Temp: W6
Advanced Controls
Gamma - Low
Black Level - Low

* Obviously, the same results can be achieved in Expert mode. In Expert mode make sure to choose 'Medium' for Color temp as opposed to 'Warm' That's the major difference. The Luminence and RGB levels can be tweaked to your liking.

Response by raging chicken about improving blacks

Quote:


Well I can give you my values with adjusted black level and perfect text, but I have an ATI .

Settings for 4:4:4 Full RGB :
Contrast 75
Brightness 76
H. Sharpness 50
V.Sharpness 57
Color 50
Tint G3
Black Level low
gamma 2.2
edge enhancing LOW (this is a bug , low in my set is OFF in reality ...compare low and off , maybe adjust sharpness according)

everything else is on default

In TV mdoe I use brightness 53 and contrast 87 , which is suited for other limited RGB sources aswell.

Some tools/guides to help calibrating:

GREYSCALE & COLOUR CALIBRATION FOR DUMMIES
http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457

The Lagom LCD monitor test pages
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/contrast.php

AVS HD 709 - Blu-ray & MP4 Calibration
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496

HCFR Colormeter
http://www.homecinema-fr.com/ColorHCFR/index_en.php



There is also a European forum thread that has information regarding Firmware/software here: (EU MODELS ONLY)

Give the webpage time to load and it should jump to the right location.

http://translate.googleusercontent.c...MR9Q#msg456657


Hope this helps

Wild Thing
Reply
Reply
post #1260 of 1536
4/6/11 at 5:51am
@ wild_thing: Awesome post. That should help a lot of people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smashbro29 View Post

I WON THE LOTTERY!!!!! 47LD450-UA.AUSWLFR

Only thing is, I don't understand all the modes and color settings I've read...

Glad to hear you got what you wanted. Which things are giving you trouble? Some of the stuff in the "expert" picture settings?

Quote:
Originally Posted by DMARKz View Post

Thanks, I just checked my panel and I have a D panel. Out of everyone's settings on that FAQ page, which do you recommend I use for using with my PS3 and 360? (Both connected via HDMI- For Gaming and Blu Rays)

OK. You've got (most likely) an AU Optronics A-MVA panel, like I do, so the settings that some of the people with S-IPS panels have posted might not look right on your TV, although it can't hurt to try. As for my own settings, I didn't do any major calibrating. I first (for regular SD TV and movie viewing), under "picture mode", set it to "expert 1", and then I set my backlight level to where I wanted it. Then, I just used the built-in "picture wizard", choosing "standard mode", and went through the process. In my particular case, I ended up with the following settings, though there could be slight variances in our panels, so you may just want to run the wizard yourself. I made a few little tweaks of my own after running the wizard, too (like increasing the sharpness).

Basic settings:

Backlight -- 100 (I'd rather have it at 40, but there's a reason I have it at 100 that I won't get into right now)
Contrast -- 87
Brightness -- 55
Sharpness (horizontal & vertical) -- 70 (I like things with a bit of crispness)
Color -- 55 (I like a little pop in my picture)
Tint -- G2

"Expert Control" settings (things not mentioned were left at default):

Dynamic Contrast -- Off
Noise Reduction -- Auto
Black Level -- Low
Color Gamut -- Wide
Edge Enhancer -- High (again, I like things crisp)
Color Temperature -- Warm
Gamma -- 2.2
Method -- 2 points

And for gaming, I have that input (component in my case), under picture settings, set to "game mode", but I use the same settings listed above, more or less.

I'm not a super fussy person when it comes to settings, but a couple of things I like are more vibrant colours & crispness, so my personal settings would make any expert picture calibrators' eyes bleed. They work for me though, and since I'm the one using the set, that's all that matters.

As for the 2 different options for the picture wizard, "standard" and "preferred", I believe this is what it's about. "Standard" will lead you through a process where you'll end up with what the people at LG consider a good picture, whereas the "preferred" option is more of a subjective choice, asking you at each step of the way "Do you prefer it to look this way? Or that way?", etc., so in theory you will get a picture setting that's close to the way you personally prefer things.

[EDIT]: I've tried PBC's settings before, but I found things looked a little too yellow.
Reply
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: LCD Flat Panel Displays

Gear mentioned in this thread:

AVS › AVS Forum › Display Devices › LCD Flat Panel Displays › Official LG XXLD450 Thread