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post #61 of 1547
Thanks for the settings it makes a significant difference watching blu-ray's. My only questions are about the settings for edge enhancer and pattern I didn't notice them in your chart and its on my 47" ld450

EDIT I just read the review and in fact I had the settings for I Am Legend just a odd coincidence I suppose but it looked fantastic
post #62 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

awesome

not sure what panel that is however

With high probability, its IPS. Its definitely not IPS-alpha I see the haze from the sides due to the lack of a polarizer and dont see the black crush effect either. Also PVA variants have better blacks, especially when vieweed from offcenter. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I am going to assume that its some IPS variety.
post #63 of 1547
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Originally Posted by envydd View Post

With high probability, its IPS. Its definitely not IPS-alpha I see the haze from the sides due to the lack of a polarizer and dont see the black crush effect either. Also PVA variants have better blacks, especially when vieweed from offcenter. Unless someone can prove otherwise, I am going to assume that its some IPS variety.

we need an even more zoomed picture just to make sure

picture by pbc from 37" LD450




AU Optronics AMVA3 from Dynex 2010 LCD


e-IPS by LG from Dell 2209wa


Ips Alpha from Panasonic C22 2010 model


more info on panels here http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-l...ls-placed.html
post #64 of 1547
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Originally Posted by MatrixShadow View Post

Thanks for the settings it makes a significant difference watching blu-ray's. My only questions are about the settings for edge enhancer and pattern I didn't notice them in your chart and its on my 47" ld450

EDIT I just read the review and in fact I had the settings for I Am Legend just a odd coincidence I suppose but it looked fantastic

I'm not a fan of any of the enhancers on TV's in general as I find they degrade the picture more than anything. So I keep those off. I occasionally turn Dynamic Contrast on low for fun (gives the colors a lot of artificial pop which people who come over seem to be impressed with ).

All in all, being a bit of a measurement snob, I'm super happy with this set outside of the lack of more than 1 HDMI input and viewing angle. Though admittedly I don't recall the Samsung LNB460 set I had for a while having a better viewing angle at all.
post #65 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

we need an even more zoomed picture just to make sure


more info on panels here http://www.avforums.com/forums/lcd-l...ls-placed.html

Kind of looks like the Dynex LCD doesn't it? I'll see if my other camera (an older Canon) can take a better pic, though I wish I had an D-SLR for this!
post #66 of 1547
Yeah my only gripe is the 2 HDMI inputs but thats a quick fix with a visit to monoprice for around 40 bucks. I picked up my 47" ld450 for 580 bucks it was a display at a local wal-mart, it was basically on the bottom shelf with a sign and the guy told me it was only up for 2 weeks before they had to replace it with a new model they got in. It had zero scratch's, finger prints, or smudges. I was out to buy a 32" Sony for 629 but I couldn't pass this one up and I haven't been disappointed except the lack of HDMI ports. I even bought a 2 year warranty for about 50 bucks which starts a year after the manufacturers 1 year so it was a complete steal. I don't care for the dynamic contrast either and always left it off.
post #67 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Kind of looks like the Dynex LCD doesn't it? I'll see if my other camera (an older Canon) can take a better pic, though I wish I had an D-SLR for this!

some of the sony and samsung LCD TV use that AUO AMVA3 panel to

would be awesome if you could get more pics of panel
post #68 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

some of the sony and samsung LCD TV use that AUO AMVA3 panel to

would be awesome if you could get more pics of panel

Guess I could borrow my bro's Nikon D-SLR. Tried my older Canon S90 and couldn't get even as good as the pic above unfortunately.
post #69 of 1547
Does anyone know how to get into the Service menu on these LG sets btw? Curious as to what is in there. May reveal the panel used as well.
post #70 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Does anyone know how to get into the Service menu on these LG sets btw? Curious as to what is in there. May reveal the panel used as well.

Not sure if they changed it for 2010 models, used to be

hold Enter on remote & Enter on TV (same time) for 3-5 seconds

password screen pops up, 0000 is password

Tool Option 1 is where panel info is found
post #71 of 1547
Okay, tried some more with my own camera and got one that looks a bit less blurry. Definitely looks like the AUO panel you posted above ...


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post #72 of 1547
I do have my bro's Nikon SLR and he has a super zoom lens that I can add (if I can figure out how to change the lense!), but not sure it's needed now that I look at this picture. Clearly an AUO panel and not IPS right?

Might explain why the black levels seem quite good while the off axis viewing is not so great??

My bro oddly enough just picked up a Sammy 46C550, so I'll try to get a chance and calibrate that set as well to compare out of interest, and I'll take a pic of the panel if I remember.
post #73 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

Not sure if they changed it for 2010 models, used to be

hold Enter on remote & Enter on TV (same time) for 3-5 seconds

password screen pops up, 0000 is password

Tool Option 1 is where panel info is found

This doesn't seem to work unfortunately.
post #74 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Okay, tried some more with my own camera and got one that looks a bit less blurry. Definitely looks like the AUO panel you posted above ...


thats much better and yes it looks like that AUO AMVA3 panel

Have you got to play any video games on that TV? wondering how it performs
post #75 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

thats much better and yes it looks like that AUO AMVA3 panel

Have you got to play any video games on that TV? wondering how it performs

How is a MVA panel doing so well on the color accuracy and black levels. I see the same IPS like ghosting on mine. I dont have a macro lens ... will grab one and use my DSLR to capture a pic. And then post.
post #76 of 1547
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Originally Posted by envydd View Post

How is a MVA panel doing so well on the color accuracy and black levels. I see the same IPS like ghosting on mine. I dont have a macro lens ... will grab one and use my DSLR to capture a pic. And then post.

Is it at all possible that it's an e-IPS panel (or are those only used for computer LCDs?) similar to that Dell? The pic of the Dell is so blurry it's difficult to tell.

Unless, similar to the LH30's, they are using different panels. I find that very odd btw, for a manufacturer to use different panels in production.

Though look at the Samsung "A vs C vs AQ" etc. panel thread.
post #77 of 1547
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Originally Posted by jangaboo View Post

thats much better and yes it looks like that AUO AMVA3 panel

Have you got to play any video games on that TV? wondering how it performs

I don't game, but I'll see if I can measure input lag. I seem to recall a program for doing this from the Input Lag Wars thread.
post #78 of 1547
BTW, I noticed in the LH30 set many people comment on "blurring" on their AU panels (assuming they are AU panels??). Was there anything in particular that shows this blurring outside of gaming? I.e., a good Bluray or DVD that would show this?

I have 90 days to return this set if I don't like it, so was curious.

You also mentioned that "in some threads people are looking for a particular AU panel" or "want" the AU panel. Where did you see this?

So far I don't have any blurring, or noticed it for that matter. Just decent black levels and color tracking (again, assuming my meter is still accurate after almost 2 years), and not so great off axis viewing.
post #79 of 1547
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Originally Posted by envydd View Post

How is a MVA panel doing so well on the color accuracy and black levels. I see the same IPS like ghosting on mine. I dont have a macro lens ... will grab one and use my DSLR to capture a pic. And then post.

IPS Ghosting? I've not noticed that at all on my Dell 2209wa e-IPS or LH30 S-IPS

Ghosting meaning a trailing effect? my Sony KDL 32L4000 panel ghosts and had bad input lag...but I thought its color was much more appealing and saturated to the IPS i have used, watching movies on it is still better than my LH30 because the blacks are better

there was mention on this thread about AUO panels getting better http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...3#post18492343
post #80 of 1547
Definitely doesn't look like that panel based on the photo ...
post #81 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Definitely doesn't look like that panel based on the photo ...

thats their newest tech should be out in half of 2010, if you google AUO Amva5 some interesting stuff comes up

...but I'm not even sure if this is AUO panel in your photo

I know Sony and Samsung share panels sometimes and they also use AUO to, it does make it more complicated because the panels have different pros/cons but you're pretty happy overall with your TV right?
post #82 of 1547
Thus far, yes, but haven't watched it much and have moved it to my son's room (need to buy a bluray player for it).

Have watched Cars, I am Legend, and some soccer and not noticed any "blurr" which is good. Colors look great, and black levels are better than I expected (again, from dead on and not off axis).
post #83 of 1547
I got hold of a better lens and took a shot of my 42incher. Also at
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/...030fb2_b_d.jpg

IPS? I think so. BTW if you want a IPS for sure, go grab the 47" .... on sale at Frys at a crazy price.
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post #84 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Okay, tried some more with my own camera and got one that looks a bit less blurry. Definitely looks like the AUO panel you posted above ...

Do you have a 42" or a 37"?
post #85 of 1547
Interesting, so they're using AUO panels on the 37" (possibly) and IPS panels on the 42" like yours! Weird. That IMO shouldn't imply that they are both LD450's (how can TV's in the same lineup have different panels!?).

Yours looks like an S-IPS to me ...
post #86 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Interesting, so they're using AUO panels on the 37" (possibly) and IPS panels on the 42" like yours! Weird. That IMO shouldn't imply that they are both LD450's (how can TV's in the same lineup have different panels!?).

Yours looks like an S-IPS to me ...

I just know that a 47" always is a IPS. But if hte AUO gave you such great color accuracy, maybe its not super important to get an IPS after all, unless you want low lag too. I am biased towards IPS because I love my IPS monitors for their colors.
post #87 of 1547
Low lag doesn't really matter to me as I don't game on this and imagine my son won't for years (he's 3). Colors are pretty darn good based on my calibration (all under Delta E of 5), and black levels are pretty decent for a budget LCD.

Only knock is the viewing angles...
post #88 of 1547
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Originally Posted by envydd View Post

I got hold of a better lens and took a shot of my 42incher. Also at
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4099/...030fb2_b_d.jpg

IPS? I think so. BTW if you want a IPS for sure, go grab the 47" .... on sale at Frys at a crazy price.

Awesome

I thought pbc also had a 42"

The 37" is probably AUO AMVA3 as the Dynex screenshot i posted on page 2 was from a 37" Dynex and some Sony 37EX500 also use that panel AUO_T370HW03
post #89 of 1547
Good point on the 37". Given the unusual size, it wouldn't surprise me if most of the lower end/budget 37" models use the same panel.

I'm still quite shocked that it measures as well as it does.

Would still like to figure out how to get into the SM. Hmmm...
post #90 of 1547
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Originally Posted by pbc View Post

Good point on the 37". Given the unusual size, it wouldn't surprise me if most of the lower end/budget 37" models use the same panel.

I'm still quite shocked that it measures as well as it does.

Would still like to figure out how to get into the SM. Hmmm...

You CAN get into the service menu, but you'll need to send a special IR code (either via a properly configured Universal Remote or using a special app on a phone with an IR light, such as most S60 nokias).
I have the 42LD450 and I enabled MKV/DivX USB playback this way, as well as THX stuff. I'd be interested in knowing what else I can enable without bricking the TV, but I haven't got the courage to try it.

lgusb.wikispaces.com/IR+Hack

I believe the password is NOT 0000, but 0413.
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