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post #1471 of 10228
8/14/10 at 4:22pm
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post #1472 of 10228
8/14/10 at 7:11pm
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Dude you should be...you set that up...run Audyssey and you are going to be having some fun. Congrats...and I have some Def Tech that are few years old and they are just fine...they will crank out some clean sound... very enjoyable.


Yep! Hopefully I have everything delivered by the end of next week so I can have the weekend to set it up and tweak it.

Anything specific I should know about the unit from you guys that have had time to play with it for a while?
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post #1473 of 10228
8/15/10 at 12:39am
I just replaced my Onkyo TX NR-808 as it was too bright for my Polk Rti series speakers. Got Denon 3311 hoping it would sound warm, instead it is sounding much brighter than my onkyo and i could not bear the sound. I did odyssey setup and everything is automatic. Any suggestions to fix this?
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post #1474 of 10228
8/15/10 at 5:10am
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Originally Posted by veerapaneni View Post

I just replaced my Onkyo TX NR-808 as it was too bright for my Polk Rti series speakers. Got Denon 3311 hoping it would sound warm, instead it is sounding much brighter than my onkyo and i could not bear the sound. I did odyssey setup and everything is automatic. Any suggestions to fix this?

This is an unusal complaint. I'll throw out some ideas.
Did you follow the Audyssey setup guide, particularly in regards to keeping the mic positions at seated ear height well within the sound field of the front speaker tweeters? If not, Audyssey will boost highs to compensate.

Did you leave the EQ set to the default standard reference Audyssey curve? If you reset it to "Flat", that actually does not attenuate the highs as much and as such in effect "boosts" them so switch it back.

Is this only with DEQ on? It specifically boosts the highs at lower volumes (but not as much as the bass).

Is it at all volumes and sources, all speakers?

Are all the tweeters functioning properly? You can get some idea by listening to each one and taking a look at the autosetup graphic EQ results in regards to the high freqs. A malfunctioning tweeter can produce a harshness to the tone. Also, post all your autosetup results (trim levels, crossovers).

You are not using any "Restorer" settings, right?

Now, if you are very sensitive to high freqs generally, this may be instead a matter of marked personal preference, so have you tried to use the trble control with Audyssey ON but DEQ off, or even turned Audyssey off and use the graphic manual EQ to suit your taste?
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post #1475 of 10228
8/15/10 at 6:14am
Is there any way to have the 3311 receiver decode the network streamed digital music on an external DAC? Which means music goes from Media Server -> Router -> 3311 -> DAC -> Back to 311?

If not I may buy a Sonos ZP90 along with a DAC, probably a Stello DA100 Signature.
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post #1476 of 10228
8/15/10 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by Gaco View Post

Is there any way to have the 3311 receiver decode the network streamed digital music on an external DAC? Which means music goes from Media Server -> Router -> 3311 -> DAC -> Back to 311?

If not I may buy a Sonos ZP90 along with a DAC, probably a Stello DA100 Signature.

It sounds like you want something else to be your media player and the 3311 is simply an amplifier, right? If so, do you have a BluRay player that support DLNA, any plans for an HTPC, or even a TV set that supports DLNA? It doesn't have to be DLNA, but you're say Media Server so I'm assuming that's what you mean.

Scott
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post #1477 of 10228
8/15/10 at 7:32am
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

It sounds like you want something else to be your media player and the 3311 is simply an amplifier, right? If so, do you have a BluRay player that support DLNA, any plans for an HTPC, or even a TV set that supports DLNA? It doesn't have to be DLNA, but you're say Media Server so I'm assuming that's what you mean.

Scott

No I was thinking about 3311 to being the player (it's kind of slow browsing music I know, but I did buy the whole thing primarily for movies/games anyway, and I like to listen to whole albums at once - however music QUALITY is a high priority), my network media server to be the source but the D/A proces to take place in an external DAC.

I'm not sure if this is possible, that's why I'm thinking about a Sonos ZP90 unit as a "control center" from which I'll output to my DAC then 3311. That is Router -> ZP90 -> DAC -> 3311 - that is certainly possible. As a bonus I'll be able to control my music with my android phone through the app "Andronos". Furthermore I'm wondering if it's worth to buy the Cullen modded ZP90 which should give better digital passthrough, less jitter.
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post #1478 of 10228
8/15/10 at 7:51am
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Originally Posted by Gaco View Post

No I was thinking about 3311 to being the player (it's kind of slow browsing music I know, but I did buy the whole thing primarily for movies/games anyway, and I like to listen to whole albums at once - however music QUALITY is a high priority), my network media server to be the source but the D/A proces to take place in an external DAC.

I'm not sure if this is possible, that's why I'm thinking about a Sonos ZP90 unit as a "control center" from which I'll output to my DAC then 3311. That is Router -> ZP90 -> DAC -> 3311 - that is certainly possible. As a bonus I'll be able to control my music with my android phone through the app "Andronos". Furthermore I'm wondering if it's worth to buy the Cullen modded ZP90 which should give better digital passthrough, less jitter.

Where you're loosing me is when you say DAC. If you want to convert your media from digital to analog prior to going to your receiver than your receiver is just an amp.
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post #1479 of 10228
8/15/10 at 8:50am
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

Where you're loosing me is when you say DAC. If you want to convert your media from digital to analog prior to going to your receiver than your receiver is just an amp.

The whole point is, that's exactly what I don't want to. I want my receiver to receive the digital signal, output the digital signal again to a DAC, get back the analogue signal
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post #1480 of 10228
8/15/10 at 9:26am
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Originally Posted by Gaco View Post

The whole point is, that's exactly what I don't want to. I want my receiver to receive the digital signal, output the digital signal again to a DAC, get back the analogue signal

I gotta admit a pile of ignorance. Why would you want to bypass the 24-bit/192-kHz AK4358VQ DAC's that you already have?

The 3311CI has both an optical out and HDMI monitor (out). Those should be adequate if you want to use something else as a DAC.

Scott
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post #1481 of 10228
8/15/10 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

Yep! Hopefully I have everything delivered by the end of next week so I can have the weekend to set it up and tweak it.

Anything specific I should know about the unit from you guys that have had time to play with it for a while?

Read / Use this http://batpigworld.com/

And if you run into anything *really* screwy reset the processor.
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post #1482 of 10228
8/15/10 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

I gotta admit a pile of ignorance. Why would you want to bypass the 24-bit/192-kHz AK4358VQ DAC's that you already have?

The 3311CI has both an optical out and HDMI monitor (out). Those should be adequate if you want to use something else as a DAC.

Scott

I thought I detected a difference when playing on a Denon DCD-1500AE CD player (using the onboard DAC of course) and ripped it to FLAC and streamed it over the networked to the receiver, thus using the 3311 DACS.

The DCD-1500AE CD player is exactly half the price of the 3311 here. I figure that spreading 10k DKK on a receiver with 5 DAC circuits (one for each channel) + video circuits + the extra receiver stuff compared to the CD player which is a CD drive + two DAC circuts would result in higher price pr. DAC circuit and thus perhaps quality. Therefore it seemed reasonable to me that I detected a little difference. The 3311 sounds great, it's not that, but it's like the CD player had a little better refinement in the lowest frequencies as well as a little extra clarity in the higher frequency trebels and just sounded a more comfortable to listen to at higher volumes and certain higher frequencies (less "piercing" sound). But the differences are in the details. Not everyone would appreciate the difference. I would like to blind test myself with a friend's Benchmark DAC and the build-in 3311 DACS if I can in any way. Want to make sure that the difference is there before spending lots of $$$. But this is the very critical music listener speaking, the 3311 is well good enough for games and films, and actually also music. I'm just looking for that ultra highend perfected stereo sound for music listening you know

Perhaps it will all turn out to be placebo and I'll be fully happy with the 3311 for music listening. But I want to be sure.

So that's my motivation
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post #1483 of 10228
8/15/10 at 4:30pm
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Originally Posted by Gaco View Post

I thought I detected a difference when playing on a Denon DCD-1500AE CD player (using the onboard DAC of course) and ripped it to FLAC and streamed it over the networked to the receiver, thus using the 3311 DACS.

The DCD-1500AE CD player is exactly half the price of the 3311 here. I figure that spreading 10k DKK on a receiver with 5 DAC circuits (one for each channel) + video circuits + the extra receiver stuff compared to the CD player which is a CD drive + two DAC circuts would result in higher price pr. DAC circuit and thus perhaps quality. Therefore it seemed reasonable to me that I detected a little difference. The 3311 sounds great, it's not that, but it's like the CD player had a little better refinement in the lowest frequencies as well as a little extra clarity in the higher frequency trebels and just sounded a more comfortable to listen to at higher volumes and certain higher frequencies (less "piercing" sound). But the differences are in the details. Not everyone would appreciate the difference. I would like to blind test myself with a friend's Benchmark DAC and the build-in 3311 DACS if I can in any way. Want to make sure that the difference is there before spending lots of $$$. But this is the very critical music listener speaking, the 3311 is well good enough for games and films, and actually also music. I'm just looking for that ultra highend perfected stereo sound for music listening you know

Perhaps it will all turn out to be placebo and I'll be fully happy with the 3311 for music listening. But I want to be sure.

So that's my motivation

OK.. I get it now. So I may be a little off with this, but have you considered a monoblock amp rather than an integrated receiver?

Scott
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post #1484 of 10228
8/15/10 at 5:20pm
Does the HD Radio in the 3311 work well? After disappointment with the tuner in the RX-V2065 I would like to find an HDMI 1.4 receiver that has a good HD Radio.
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post #1485 of 10228
8/15/10 at 5:58pm
I recently setup my 3311 and everything has gone very well. I'm happy to say so far that I do not have any hdmi handshake issues and I am very pleased with the results from using Audyssey and DEQ. I am using the following components in association with the 3311:

- 4xRevel m12
- 1xRevel C12
- SVS PB13-Ultra
- Motorola Cable/DVR
- Oppo BDP-83
- Mitsubishi LT-37132

I did notice one oddity so far that I thought I should share. I do have the DVR box and the BD player connected via HDMI to the 3311 and then coming out to the TV with HDMI as well. Whether in active or standby mode, I have noticed that the picture on the TV seems to be brighter/lighter than before when I had both components running directly to the TV. It also appears to me that there may be some white and black crush going on at the extremes (more so than before). This is all subjective - I have not measured anything pre or post 3311 setup. i/p scaler is turned on for the DVR and set to 1080p, but turned off for the BD.

So, a few questions related to this.

1. Has anyone noticed anything similar to this?
2. In my HDMI Options for the 3311 menu, there is no 'Color Space' option. Is this normal or should it be there?

I'm going to recalibrate tomorrow with the Avia II disc, but thought I check in with the other owners.

Otherwise, really liking this new AVR.
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post #1486 of 10228
8/15/10 at 6:05pm
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Originally Posted by HDorBust View Post

Does the HD Radio in the 3311 work well? After disappointment with the tuner in the RX-V2065 I would like to find an HDMI 1.4 receiver that has a good HD Radio.

I live in Wichita, KS and the HD tuner part works great. All the station info is great, song title artist etc on the GUI. More stations that I thought would be out there. The AM stations are really surprising.

I had a Sangean HD tuner prior and hooked it up to the Denon system for a lark. Both work well. The Sangean has a LARGE Blue LCD screen with very large 1 inch text that you can read from across the room I wish these AVR manufacturers would move to putting large LCD screens for displays rather than these small text on their displays. They could put a big "LCD screen all the way across the front of the AVR that you could actually read from across the room.

Bu yes, the HD works great ...at least here.
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post #1487 of 10228
8/15/10 at 8:53pm
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Originally Posted by HDorBust View Post

Does the HD Radio in the 3311 work well? After disappointment with the tuner in the RX-V2065 I would like to find an HDMI 1.4 receiver that has a good HD Radio.

He in the LA area on the left coast....lots of stations good reception and the sound is surprisingly good. I am pretty pleased .. the wife is in heaven most her "stations" have multiple HD versions.
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post #1488 of 10228
8/16/10 at 1:33am
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Originally Posted by scottlindner View Post

OK.. I get it now. So I may be a little off with this, but have you considered a monoblock amp rather than an integrated receiver?

Scott

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I doubt that I'll find anything so featurepacked and high quality for the money of the 3311. I need all the advanced features such as HD audio decoding, audyssey etc

I see that it has S/PDIF out so I might try and see if it's possible with the external DAC later..
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post #1489 of 10228
8/16/10 at 3:24am
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Originally Posted by Gaco View Post

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but I doubt that I'll find anything so featurepacked and high quality for the money of the 3311. I need all the advanced features such as HD audio decoding, audyssey etc

I see that it has S/PDIF out so I might try and see if it's possible with the external DAC later..

My point is you're trying to tactically replace one of the features of an "integrated" product. In general, people that are not into integrated receivers, are into discrete components which includes monoblock amps.

Scott
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post #1490 of 10228
8/16/10 at 7:08am
Directv and AVR 991

I'm having frequent audio drop out when I'm watching tv. The entire audio drops for a split second and then comes back. I'm thinking this is a directv issue, so I figured I would see if anyone else is having a similar issue. Picture is fine when this happens.
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post #1491 of 10228
8/16/10 at 8:05am
I was wondering if anyone has hooked this receiver with external amplifiers... specifically how the Emotiva amps work with the 3311ci?

I have (2) Xpa-5 to hopefully biamp my front three speakers. And hopefully the pre-outs have high voltagess.
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post #1492 of 10228
8/16/10 at 8:13am
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Directv and AVR 991

I'm having frequent audio drop out when I'm watching tv. The entire audio drops for a split second and then comes back. I'm thinking this is a directv issue, so I figured I would see if anyone else is having a similar issue. Picture is fine when this happens.

I have the same problem with my Time Warner Samsung 3270 DVR. I believe the problem lies with Time Warner/Samsung, but I can't verify.
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post #1493 of 10228
8/16/10 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by Petrus View Post

I have the same problem with my Time Warner Samsung 3270 DVR. I believe the problem lies with Time Warner/Samsung, but I can't verify.

Yeah I'm assuming that's it's my directv and not my brand new avr 991. I just don't think i had this issue when using just my tv speaker via the hdmi. This is what worries me.
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post #1494 of 10228
8/16/10 at 9:54am
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Originally Posted by Husker43 View Post

I was wondering if anyone has hooked this receiver with external amplifiers... specifically how the Emotiva amps work with the 3311ci?

I have (2) Xpa-5 to hopefully biamp my front three speakers. And hopefully the pre-outs have high voltagess.

My setup is not quite so ambitious, but I'm running my 3311ci currently with an older LPA-1. It sounds very nice, and I've cranked it to ear-bleedingly high levels without running out of steam, so I believe there's enough juice coming out of the pre-outs. I don't have the proper equipment to accurately measure the voltage, but it's sufficient for my speakers...

I did have one bit of strange behavior with the Audyseey setup. Not sure if it's related to using an external amplifier or not, so don't read too much into this. I'm running a standard 7.2 setup, and told the receiver as much during the initial setup. I then proceeded to run the Audyssey auto-setup. It did its thing, and promptly reported to me that I have front highs and wides, in addition to my 7 "normal" speakers.

I'm not really sure how it got anything out of non-existent speakers that aren't hooked up to any outputs, but there you go. I did sit in the room during one of the tests, and the sounds appear to be generated out of the side and/or rear surrounds. Very strange...

To overcome this, I just went back into the manual setup and turned off the highs and wides. I may try switching to the internal amplifier, just to see if I get the same behavior, but frankly I'm enjoying the system far too much to want to spend a few hours fiddling around with connections at this point!

Anyone else get "phantom" highs and wides detected with (or even without) external amplification?
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post #1495 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:00am
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Originally Posted by rover7 View Post

Directv and AVR 991

I'm having frequent audio drop out when I'm watching tv. The entire audio drops for a split second and then comes back. I'm thinking this is a directv issue, so I figured I would see if anyone else is having a similar issue. Picture is fine when this happens.

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Originally Posted by Petrus View Post

I have the same problem with my Time Warner Samsung 3270 DVR. I believe the problem lies with Time Warner/Samsung, but I can't verify.

As I'm sure you both have read if following this thread (or any AVR thread for that matter), cable/sat boxes in general have HDMI handshake issues with HDMI repeaters (ie AVRs). Some models/brands work better than others. Your work around is to connect the HDMI directly to the TV with an optical from the cable/sat box to the AVR or go component/optical to the AVR.
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post #1496 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:11am
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Originally Posted by Husker43 View Post

I have (2) Xpa-5 to hopefully biamp my front three speakers. And hopefully the pre-outs have high voltagess.

The pre-outs and matching speaker posts cannot both be used at the same time so the center speaker is a no go. You could however use the FL/FR pre-outs and set up the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts as Bi-amp (AMP ASSIGN = Bi-Amp) and use them to Bi-amp the FL/FR speakers.
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post #1497 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:23am
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Originally Posted by BrettJB View Post

I did have one bit of strange behavior with the Audyseey setup. Not sure if it's related to using an external amplifier or not, so don't read too much into this. I'm running a standard 7.2 setup, and told the receiver as much during the initial setup. I then proceeded to run the Audyssey auto-setup. It did its thing, and promptly reported to me that I have front highs and wides, in addition to my 7 "normal" speakers.

As noted on p. 8 of the Owner's manual, when setting AMP ASSIGN to "Normal", AUTO SETUP time can be reduced by setting the unused speaker channels (e.g F Wide/ F Height) to None.
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post #1498 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:27am
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As I'm sure you both have read if following this thread (or any AVR thread for that matter), cable/sat boxes in general have HDMI handshake issues with HDMI repeaters (ie AVRs). Some models/brands work better than others. Your work around is to connect the HDMI directly to the TV with an optical from the cable/sat box to the AVR or go component/optical to the AVR.

Interesting. Since I just got my new receiver, I haven't read all of this thread to be informed of this common issue. Am I going to lose any noticeable quality by going optical? or should I just deal with the occasional drop out?
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post #1499 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:30am
Not at all. The best a TV or cable/sat box can output for HD channels is DD 5.1. HDMI only comes in to play when HD audio codecs are played via a BDP.
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post #1500 of 10228
8/16/10 at 10:47am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The pre-outs and matching speaker posts cannot both be used at the same time so the center speaker is a no go. You could however use the FL/FR pre-outs and set up the Surr Back/Amp Assign speaker posts as Bi-amp (AMP ASSIGN = Bi-Amp) and use them to Bi-amp the FL/FR speakers.

I think he was talking about splitting the pre-outs to the external amps, since he will have 10 total channels of external amplification. So if his center and L/R speakers have dual binding posts, he should be good to go.
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