The **Official** Denon 3311CI/ 991 Owner's Thread NO PRICE TALK - Page 60

The majority of 7.2 models out there should be labeled 7.1 because the 2nd sub pre-out is identical to the 1st one (ie, no different then using a simple "Y" RCA cable from a single pre-out).

the difference (in your quote) is that the 3311 has pre-amp outputs for ALL CHANNELS (i.e. 7 speaker channels + 2 subwoofers) whereas the 991 has pre-amp outputs for only the 2 subs. So the 3311 has full 7.2 pre-outs, whereas the 991 only has the 0.2 pre-outs (i.e. Sub x2 but nothing else). But BOTH are still technically 7.1 receivers.

The 7.2 vs 7.1 thing is merely inconsistency on Denon's part, as JD already noted.

either way, both AVR's handle the subwoofers IDENTICALLY. You can choose to believe me or make your own inferences if you prefer

What? Don’t think so.. that is line item for sub.. Please read again. I would say that is a bad assumption. Unless you past the section from the manual stating they are the same

Check the link: http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/...mageField.y=19

What exactly are you confused about? The 3311 has a full set of pre-outs to include (2) sub pre-outs (7.2) and the 991 does not which is why it only says (sub x 2).

The 7.2 listed under the pre-out line item has nothing to do with the fact that both the 3311 and 991 are 7.2 (really 7.1) AVRs.

Did you check your link? It notes exactly what Batpig said:

3311 Pre-amp outputs: 7.2
911 Pre-amp outputs: sub X 2

which line-item are you looking at that says differently?

What you said is what I posted. No confusion on my part. You might want to ask batpig why he is confused about my post. I was saying it was a bad assumption to say “sub x 2” is the same as “7.2”
Only reference I found in the 3311ci manual is the below:
“For Connecting Two Subwoofers
Two subwoofers can be connected to this unit.
The same signal is output from each subwoofer terminal”
From the manual, it does appear they are the same, However, I do not see any reference to 7.2 in the manual either.

I'm curious what you found to be attempted sarcasm. My post was factual and accurate. The 3311 and 991 models handle subwoofers IDENTICALLY.


you are still confused, there are no assumptions on my part. I happen to know the factually correct answer.

Greentennis ...

As John Mac would say .... "You CAN'T be serious?"

I guess so, but when a company says x.2, I assumed x.2 was implemented where the two subs also serve as two discrete LFE (Low Frequency Effects) channels. Does that not bother you?

I think I read your post wrong.. when you said 0.2 Thought you were saying that I wrote that the 3311 only has sub outputs and nothing else.. "x.2".

It appears they are the same,, not a 7.2 system though.

no, the 3311 has 9 pre-outs (seven speaker channels + two subwoofer outputs) whereas the 991 has ONLY two sub outputs (sub x2 but nothing else).

there are two separate things here:

1) the number of total pre-outs (9 on the 3311ci, only 2 on the 991)
2) the way in which the two sub pre-outs are handled (independent calibration or mirrored output.... this is identical on both models, they both have mirrored output of the 2 sub outs)

as I mentioned before, if this is an important feature to you, you might want to wait for the 4311 as it will handle dual subs with a much more sophisticated technology (pinging both separately as an initial step to set distance / level and time align, and then pinging them both together during the calibration run to calculate the room EQ filters as a summed response). The 4311 also has 4x higher resolution filters on the subwoofer with the new MultEQ XT 32.

This same quote is noted on p. 49 of the 991 manual as well.


Not really, especially as just about every mfr out there uses 7.2 to simply mean two identical LFE signals.

thanks, I follow you now.

The take away here is that the Denon spec pages can be misleading as they often could be worded better ....

Wondering if anyone has any insight on this problem-- I have been trying to update the firmware on my 3311 and it always seems to hang on "Ether IMG" updating. If I do a network reset, the unit works again, but I haven't been able to successfully update the firmware. Any ideas? Thanks!

yes, that's a good price right now (over 25% off msrp) for a relatively new model.

BUT-there is one other authorized Online Electronics dealer who will sell it for $50 less, with free shipping. I bought there today.

How much was the shipping?

He said Free Shipping

All,

I purchased the Denon 3311ci to replace an Onkyo 605. I realize that there are many variables (such as speaker output level, variable versus fixed, etc.) but the Denon in general seems to require me to crank up the knob much more than the Onkyo to get adequate sound (I have run the full Audyssey setup). When watching TV, I need to set the dial at -27 to get a comfortable volume of sound (when outputting on Dobly Digital). Is this normal? I seem to need to put up the volume even more for music (on Stereo mode). Thank you very much.

Yup, quite normal indeed.

Make sure you see the red light (DEQ), not the green (DVol), especially for music and full effect of film soundtracks. DVol compresses the dynamic range. That aside, the dial setting is not standardized across OEM's and even between different models within a brand, and thus has been generally meaningless. More recently, all units with DEQ capable Audyssey are auto-calibrated such that after running autosetup, 0 MV= reference level at MLP (75 dB internal test tones, 85 dB std film reference).

Thanks so much, guys. Your explanations were very helpful. I was a little worried that my unit was defective.

What Red or Green light are you referring to? I have never seen any color of light on my 3311 for any thing Ive ever listened to. Sat/Cable, BluRay, TV, HD Radio....no lights of any kind. Other than the text on the front panel and the GUI on the TV.....

I think he's talking about the light blue light above the 3D lettering on this picture. I don't have a 3311, but on my 2809 there is a light in the same location that turns red when Dynamic EQ is on, and green when Dynamic Volume is on.

My AVR-789 has these lights (red and green). My 3311ci is 'in transit' so I'm not real sure. A quick breeze through the manual doesn't seem to indicate the presence of these lights, however, see page 101 of the manual and it describes the indicators in the display that show dynamic eq and volume and its status.

Correct. There are no longer "green" and "red" lights as they have been replaced by the words DYN EQ or DYN VOL depending on whether [DYN EQ] or [DYN EQ + DYN VOL] are set.

I'm having trouble finding out what kind of video processor the 3311 has and how well it works - could someone comment? I am thinking about how well it would upconvert Netflix on the new Apple TV.

have you read through this thread? This receiver uses the ABT-2015 chip, which is basically the same as that in the Oppo BDP-83 and the DVDO Edge video processor. It is a very good video chip -- although not fully implemented it has outstanding core deinterlacing / scaling performance -- but don't expect miracles with SD netflix content.

Furthermore, it probably will be irrelevant for ATV because the ATV will already upscale the SD signal for you. Unless Apple changes something major, the ATV has a fixed resolution output so the Netflix will already be 720p or 1080i when it comes down the pipe from the ATV. I doubt they will include a "source direct" mode on such a cheap streaming device aimed at the "easy to use" crowd.

I want to change my actual receiver (Technics) with a Denon (3311 or 4311) on a 5.1 KEF iQ90/60/50 speakers configuration for the moment. Also, will be my first Denon. As I understood from you (Thank you BATPIG) and from manual, if you use Audyssey features (Dynamic EQ + Volume), my control on sound quality can be done only using TONE controls (bass, treble) which are only +-6dB for 3311. From your experience, this is enough when you want to increase treble/bass on your music - Ok for bass you can control the sub level, but for treble? (compared with +-10dB on Onkyo's xxx7 and xxx8) Or the single way to go more in treble is to use tone controls plus Manual EQ? (6dB + 6dB)
I like to have good highs on sound...
Thank you for sharing your opinions.