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post #241 of 10436
Well I've had the 3311 in my system for a little over a week now. (Replacing the 4810 and 4310).
I've run Audyssey, played around with the Network features, listened to a lot of music (both 2 channel and multichannel), and watched a few BD movies, (Star Trek, Transformers, Terminator Salvation, From Paris With Love, Dave Matthews Radio City, to name a few).
Probably the best complement I can give the 3311 is to say,
I don't miss the 4810 or the 4310..... much.
The 3311 has performed flawlessly and, my biggest concern, it's amps are up to driving my NHT Absolute Tower 7.1 system to the same levels I'm use to.
What attracted me to the 3311 (features before only available in the higher end units)
2 - HDMI outputs ( must have feature as I run a Plasma/Projector combo)
Aydussey MultEQ XT
6 - HDMI inputs
and of course it's price compared to other units with those features.
Where does the 3311 fall short compared to the 4810/4310?

No DSD decoding.... not a big deal for me, can't hear the difference

Stripped down GUI compared to 4810/4310.... no big deal

No DenonLink.... no biggie since I presently don't have a Denon player with DenonLink anyway


That's about it.
In all other ways, Sound Quality, Video Processing, Connectivity and Operation, the 3311 is indistinguishable from the 4810/4310.... as long as 7.1 is as far as you want to go.... and still keep the option of Front Heights or Front Wides......

YMMV

DreamCatcher
post #242 of 10436
great feedback and thanks it's good to underscore the point of "diminishing returns" with audio quality for most typical setups.

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Inability of the 3311 VP to do anything with 480i but pass it through,
I'm pretty sure the 4810/4310 VP would/could upconvert 480i... but I'm not positive... again not a big deal as I usually avoid 480i material anyway.

something is off here, the VP should 100% be able to handle 480i inputs, I do it every day on my 2310. What source is it that you are having trouble applying processing to? How have you verified that it isn't working?
post #243 of 10436
post #244 of 10436
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

great feedback and thanks it's good to underscore the point of "diminishing returns" with audio quality for most typical setups.



something is off here, the VP should 100% be able to handle 480i inputs, I do it every day on my 2310. What source is it that you are having trouble applying processing to? How have you verified that it isn't working?

As usual batpig you are correct.
I just tried to replicate the 480i issue via Directv HD box using native resolution and tuning to a 480i channel. Sure enough the 3311 is upconverting it to 1080p....
Not sure what I was thinking, maybe it was a bad dream
or maybe I had a setting oops
or maybe I'm just showing my age
Anyway all it well....
I'll remove the 480i non-issue from my previous post.
DreamCatcher
post #245 of 10436
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Originally Posted by photobias View Post

Denon 991: http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5384.asp

It's been at least 20 minutes. So why hasn't that first post been updated yet?

I'll probably buy the 991, as long as firmware updates over the network port work equivalently to the 33111CI. But why wouldn't it?

Have there been any 3311CI firmware updates yet?
post #246 of 10436
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Originally Posted by photobias View Post

Denon 991: http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/5384.asp

interesting...... the 991 actually looks like a "hybrid" of 891/2311 and 3311, which makes sense considering the price point vs the 3311.

unless the photos are off, I see (compared to 3311):

- 2 zones instead of 3 and no second remote (as expected)
- no front panel HDMI input and only 1 output (just like the 891)
- no RS-232, no 12V trigger outs, no room-to-room jacks (distinguishing it from "CI")
- no pre-outs!!
- no HD radio
post #247 of 10436
As well as no HD Radio and only 2 year warranty.
post #248 of 10436
It also looks like it has a stronger amp.
post #249 of 10436
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Originally Posted by Phantom Gremlin View Post

It's been at least 20 minutes. So why hasn't that first post been updated yet?

I'll probably buy the 991, as long as firmware updates over the network port work equivalently to the 33111CI. But why wouldn't it?

Have there been any 3311CI firmware updates yet?

Updates for the 991 would be done over the network just as with the 3311. AFAIK, there is already one firmware update.
post #250 of 10436
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Originally Posted by hockeyjock View Post

It also looks like it has a stronger amp.

The 991 has the same 670W power supply as the 3311. The 3 digit models are being marketed using 6 ohm stats which make them look more powerful.
post #251 of 10436
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Past history has shown that Denon often has inconsistencies and errors in their spec pages. In this case, however, it is correct. They use the same spec page for every model so you're going to see features only offered on the upper level AVRs (eg. THX Ultra 2). You'll notice that there is no check mark or any writing in the column next to that feature which means it is NOT offered on the 3311.

Given the spec pages can be wrong .. you're much better off just checking the Owner's manual. On p. 108 it shows that all (4) of the audio tracks are indeed decoded by the 3311.

thanks so much. you guys rock!!! This truly is an awesome board.
post #252 of 10436
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

As well as no HD Radio and only 2 year warranty.

looking at the manual, it also appears that the 991 does NOT have the enhanced Zone 2 controls that are on the 2311ci (as well as the 990, 989, etc from prior years). No bass/treble, mono/stereo, HPF controls, and no variable volume on the Zone 2 pre-outs.


also, now that we can do the detailed feature comparison, it appears that the 1611 and 1911 use the same DAC/ADC setup, whereas the 2311/891 and 3311/991 all have the same setup.

according to this: http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/...mageField.y=14

- the 1611 and 1911 have one AKM AK4358VQ 24-bit/192khz DAC per channel
- the 2311 and 3311 have the same DAC's but 2 per channel in a differential array
- the 1611/1991 have 24/96 ADC (no name) whereas the 2311 and up have AKM 24/192 ADC's.
post #253 of 10436
Anyone get a shipping confirmation from Electronics Expo or elsewhere?
post #254 of 10436
The loss of the pre-outs going from the 990 to the 991 will likely be the biggest reason for most to go with the 3311.
post #255 of 10436
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The loss of the pre-outs going from the 990 to the 991 will likely be the biggest reason for most to go with the 3311.

Yep. With two external amps I have to have pre-outs and 12v triggers. Can someone show us what the networking screens, internet radio interface looks like in the 3311?
post #256 of 10436
feature test request for a 3311 / 991 owner:

While the 3311/991 model can only run 7 channels at once, it has added separate speaker posts for the front wide / front height speaker outputs. It is unclear in the manual whether or not you can actually use MultEQ XT to measure ALL connected speakers (like the Onkyo models can do) even though you can only run 7 at once.

Can somebody with a 3311/991 please test this? If you have an extra pair of speakers lying around, try connecting them to one of the unused front height/wide speaker posts, open up the Audyssey AUTO SETUP start screen, set AMP ASSIGN to NORMAL, and then in CHANNEL SELECT see if you can select more than one of surr.back/height/wide. Run MultEQ XT, and see if you can actually measure / filter more than 7 speakers total.

This is still unclear to me from the manual, so I appreciate someone testing this! If this can be done, it would be a big upgrade from last year (catching up to Onkyo) since then you could hook up more than 7 speakers, and choose which ones to use depending on the content without having to re-run Audyssey.

Thanks!
post #257 of 10436
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Originally Posted by dropzone7 View Post

Can someone show us what the networking screens, internet radio interface looks like in the 3311?

Here are 12 quick iPhone pics of the 3311CI GUI to show the network and internet radio menus. I took the photos off center to (mostly) avoid glare on the screen. See my comments on each pic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4564437...664996/detail/

There's so much potential in networking the 3311, but some of what's included is still relatively basic at this point. Perhaps there will be firmware fixes or upgrades for the irritants and issues. I really dislike that the background of all the network menus are gray, not black. The gray is ugly and unprofessional.

As for an issue, has anyone displayed photos from a media server? Displaying a photo from my media server looks horrible (see the 10th pic of Hong Kong skyline). I think it's the 3311. Flickr photos display fine.

Doug
post #258 of 10436
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Originally Posted by AlmondNut View Post

Anyone get a shipping confirmation from Electronics Expo or elsewhere?

Nope. I ordered mine Saturday @ 3PM, via Amazon Checkout, and when I check my order status on the EE site, it says my status is "New Order". guess the summer sale has them backed up a bit (or they just don't update status much... this is my first order with them, so I really don't know how they typically operate). The fact the receiver still says "in stock" is a good sign. I was hoping they didn't oversell it.

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Originally Posted by djmaltby View Post

Here are 12 quick iPhone pics of the 3311CI GUI to show the network and internet radio menus.

Thanks for the pics.

Based on what I see in your pics/descriptions I'm not all that impressed with the Networking functions... but I'm glad to have it as it does open up a lot of possibilities (even if some are just potential right now).

Quick question: How is the sound quality of Internet radio (such as Pandora) as compared to a CD? I can't imagine it's all that amazing... but I might want to hook it up just to have some background music from time to time.

I'm way more interested in plugging my iPhone into the front. I might use that quite a bit, and all my stuff is ripped at very high quality (NOT using iTunes LOL).

Otherwise, I think I'll continue to use my PS3 for the majority of my media needs.

I can see a potential for a remote-control over IP using another device on your network (such as an iPhone). I saw mention of a Denon iPhone/iPod app above... is that wishful thinking or is something in the works?

Does THIS work on the 3311CI? If so, that is cool, but a dedicated app would be much slicker.
post #259 of 10436
I contacted Denon today and they said it sounds like a handshake issue; I was getting green lines and then the picture would go out. He recommended I make sure all the fireware/software is upgraded on the TV, 3D Blue Ray, TV, and Harmony One remote. Next he said ensure the system is turned on in the following order, the receiver, the Blue Ray, and then the TV. This seemed to solve the problem. When I turn on the TV with the Harmony One remote I get the flickering screen problem. When I turn it on in the recommended order the problem does not occur. Now I have to figure out how to get the Harmony One remote to turn everything on in the recommended order.
post #260 of 10436
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Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

Nope. I ordered mine Saturday @ 3PM, via Amazon Checkout, and when I check my order status on the EE site, it says my status is "New Order". guess the summer sale has them backed up a bit (or they just don't update status much... this is my first order with them, so I really don't know how they typically operate). The fact the receiver still says "in stock" is a good sign. I was hoping they didn't oversell it.

I am in the exact same boat except I ordered Sunday @ 3PM...so I hopefully I am in line behind you.
post #261 of 10436
So I got 6 pieces in last week of the 2311 and the 3311 (3each).. I started setting up units at customers homes and came across this bug and its driving us nuts..

I recreated it tonight here and I am getting worried..

So if you turn on HDMI control and set it for last source and I left off power control. When you turn on the Panasonic VT25 tv and the Directv HR22 box and the Denon 3311 , most of the time you get no audio.. It will not pick up the source audio from the HDMI ???

If you shut off the HDMI control, it works every time.. Its apparently a bug and its happening on all of the receivers we installed.

I did download the latest 3311 software and it doesnt fix it..

Can you guys try this and let me know if you can recreate this ?

Just when I thought changing from Onkyo's to Denon was going to get me out of bug city I am back in

I know Denon will fix it but I wonder if they even know this ?

Thanks
Craig
Theatermax NJ
post #262 of 10436
Thread Starter 
First two posts updated to show 991 and differences. Keep the info coming, guys!
post #263 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

Quick question: How is the sound quality of Internet radio (such as Pandora) as compared to a CD? I can't imagine it's all that amazing... but I might want to hook it up just to have some background music from time to time.

I find it pretty good, depending on the stream, but not fully CD quality. MP3 streams "tune" very fast, WMV take longer. Many/most streams are 128kbps, some as high as 192. The Beeb and many talk stations are like 48 WMA, so not as good. You can add ones you want on radiodenon.com. I know there was a way to search for highest quality streams, but can't find it now.

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Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

I'm way more interested in plugging my iPhone into the front. I might use that quite a bit, and all my stuff is ripped at very high quality (NOT using iTunes LOL).

Yes, plugging the iPhone or iPod in directly is great, although I wish there were a USB port on the rear. They want to sell you a dock for that. You can control playback via the iPhone or remotely on screen. It shows up in the USB/Net menu as another source. Same menu structure as on the iPhone. Playing a track displays a UI like the Pandora pic. It does display the artwork, and is less flaky than when using the media server which always seems to revert to prior artwork. If you get one of Denon's docks, you can play video from the iPhone since it does the processing.

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Originally Posted by [KYA]Mega View Post

I can see a potential for a remote-control over IP using another device on your network (such as an iPhone). I saw mention of a Denon iPhone/iPod app above... is that wishful thinking or is something in the works?

Does THIS work on the 3311CI? If so, that is cool, but a dedicated app would be much slicker.

I'd love an IP based 2 way remote...maybe a Harmony 11n. That would seem to solve all the out of sight and multi-zone issues. An old iPhone, now rendered an iTouch, would seem to do the trick. Then again, an iPad might be the ultimate remote (and much more). I have to think that may be where they're going with this. Yes you can plug in the 3311's IP address into a browser (computer or iPhone) and get a reasonably functional (not pretty) GUI to control the 3311. It's better on a computer, but it's not full featured.

There are already 3 iPhone apps on the App store. Only one appears decent. It's called DenOnOff for $3.99. Here's a link to DenOnOff on iTunes. It's relatively new and lacks a lot of features, but has promise. The devs say they'll be adding a lot in future updates and will be free for current users. I'm thinking of buying it just to keep them developing it. It's not clear to me how much of the 3311 can be controlled via ip, though. I haven't seen that documented anywhere. If I had more time on my hands, I'd love to give it a shot. How many networked AVRs does Denon sell?

Doug
post #264 of 10436
Wow looks like it official 3 years of warranty ...this is suddenly appeared on the 3311 and 2311 product listings on the main Receivers/AVR product listing page

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDeta...o-products.asp

Attachment 179232

now I just need mine to actually arrive.....
LL
post #265 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by scubam View Post

I contacted Denon today and they said it sounds like a handshake issue; I was getting green lines and then the picture would go out. He recommended I make sure all the fireware/software is upgraded on the TV, 3D Blue Ray, TV, and Harmony One remote. Next he said ensure the system is turned on in the following order, the receiver, the Blue Ray, and then the TV. This seemed to solve the problem. When I turn on the TV with the Harmony One remote I get the flickering screen problem. When I turn it on in the recommended order the problem does not occur. Now I have to figure out how to get the Harmony One remote to turn everything on in the recommended order.

That is bad. You shouldn't have to. This worries me. Is anyone else experiencing these issues?
post #266 of 10436
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Originally Posted by cybernut2000 View Post

That is bad. You shouldn't have to. This worries me. Is anyone else experiencing these issues?

Why is that bad? I've read, since HDMI came out, if there are handshake issues to turn equipment on in a specific order. Contrary to popular belief HDMI is not the best thing since sliced bread
post #267 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by djmaltby View Post

Here are 12 quick iPhone pics of the 3311CI GUI to show the network and internet radio menus. I took the photos off center to (mostly) avoid glare on the screen. See my comments on each pic.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/4564437...664996/detail/

There's so much potential in networking the 3311, but some of what's included is still relatively basic at this point. Perhaps there will be firmware fixes or upgrades for the irritants and issues. I really dislike that the background of all the network menus are gray, not black. The gray is ugly and unprofessional.

As for an issue, has anyone displayed photos from a media server? Displaying a photo from my media server looks horrible (see the 10th pic of Hong Kong skyline). I think it's the 3311. Flickr photos display fine.

Doug


Hey, I appreciate you taking the time to make these pictures. It appears the GUI is pretty plain but in my opinion, anything that can display over HDMI and not interrupt the video and audio is better than nothing. Do you think the image quality issue with your media server photos might have anything to do with resolution settings?
post #268 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by VGI View Post

So I got 6 pieces in last week of the 2311 and the 3311 (3each).. I started setting up units at customers homes and came across this bug and its driving us nuts..

I recreated it tonight here and I am getting worried..

So if you turn on HDMI control and set it for last source and I left off power control. When you turn on the Panasonic VT25 tv and the Directv HR22 box and the Denon 3311 , most of the time you get no audio.. It will not pick up the source audio from the HDMI ???

If you shut off the HDMI control, it works every time.. Its apparently a bug and its happening on all of the receivers we installed.

I did download the latest 3311 software and it doesnt fix it..

Can you guys try this and let me know if you can recreate this ?

Just when I thought changing from Onkyo's to Denon was going to get me out of bug city I am back in

I know Denon will fix it but I wonder if they even know this ?

Thanks
Craig
Theatermax NJ

You get no audio from where -- TV, speakers connected to receiver or both?
post #269 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by VGI View Post

So I got 6 pieces in last week of the 2311 and the 3311 (3each).. I started setting up units at customers homes and came across this bug and its driving us nuts..

I recreated it tonight here and I am getting worried..

So if you turn on HDMI control and set it for last source and I left off power control. When you turn on the Panasonic VT25 tv and the Directv HR22 box and the Denon 3311 , most of the time you get no audio.. It will not pick up the source audio from the HDMI ???

If you shut off the HDMI control, it works every time.. Its apparently a bug and its happening on all of the receivers we installed.

I did download the latest 3311 software and it doesnt fix it..

Can you guys try this and let me know if you can recreate this ?

Just when I thought changing from Onkyo's to Denon was going to get me out of bug city I am back in

I know Denon will fix it but I wonder if they even know this ?

Thanks
Craig
Theatermax NJ

I sent you a pm, not regarding this potential problem.
post #270 of 10436
Quote:
Originally Posted by bvader View Post

Wow looks like it official 3 years of warranty ...this is suddenly appeared on the 3311 and 2311 product listings on the main Receivers/AVR product listing page

http://www.usa.denon.com/ProductDeta...o-products.asp

Attachment 179232

now I just need mine to actually arrive.....


Hey, we are local to eachother!

What speakers will be driven by your Denon?

I have Paradigm Monitor series, thinking of upgrading, but I'm going to see how the new receiver will make them sound.
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