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post #4681 of 10201
1/13/11 at 3:20pm
Thank you so much for the post. Like I said, this zoning stuff is new to me. This board has been very helpful to me and the people on it are great. Even the easier questions are answered politely and quickly which is very refreshing in the "internet" world.

I will be losing a little bit of audio quality going to analog mode or not so much?
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post #4682 of 10201
1/13/11 at 3:57pm
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Originally Posted by dr2srchicago View Post

I have a new Denon 3311CI attached to a pair of active XF-48. Hooked up via RCA cables (i.e. line-level), and the receiver is set to Bi-amp. When I turn on the receiver, there is a loud Pop. The rest of the speakers (center and two surrounds) are passive. I had hooked up my XF48's originally with speaker wire (i.e. powered, not line-level), and they did not do the pop.

Any thoughts?

All my speakers are active (powered) using the pre-outs from the 3311. In order to avoid the kind of popping you describe, I always make sure to turn my speakers on last (I never leave them on when not in use).
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post #4683 of 10201
1/13/11 at 3:59pm
Disregard analog and digital question, I did my reading.

Ok, Everything works now. Thank you so much Batpig. So if IIm guessing Denon's "Older Brother" amplifier would allow me to do what I wanted it to do. Should of done more research. I'm not opposed to going behind my unit and switching up the cables every here and there for movies that want to be heard in 7.1. I do have a door and access to the back of the receiver very easily as it was built into the wall and in a giant storage place under the stairs
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post #4684 of 10201
1/13/11 at 4:10pm
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So if IIm guessing Denon's "Older Brother" amplifier would allow me to do what I wanted it to do.

actually no, the higher-end models have the identical restrictions as the 3311ci
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post #4685 of 10201
1/13/11 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

The triggers put out 12V/150ma max although likely only "trigger" on rather than remaining on. Your best bet would likely be using a smart power strip.

For the record, there are also power strips that take 12V in directly as a trigger. Here's one. But I don't have any personal experience with them, and the last time I searched it seemed they were much more expensive than "smart power strips" that simply monitor current.
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post #4686 of 10201
1/13/11 at 5:27pm
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Interesting. Please clarify, you have the stereo settings on no sub (=2.0)? I have never tried Bypass because of the description of how it works, and the critique of the setting by Chris K ("audyssey" himself). It is apparently intended for the audiophile who doesn't want their big expensive fronts EQd but would like the CC, sub and surrounds to benefit while listening to MC sources. So you might be on the right path after all.

I guess part of it is that B&W speakers can become quite bright I guess. I will try and do one more calibration and report back. I am getting this even on 2.0 I also notice that the rears are also shrieking with Audyssey which becomes apparent when using Multi-channel stereo.
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post #4687 of 10201
1/13/11 at 8:31pm
^Hi. "Too bright" should not have to do with your speakers, which are certainly good quality. That can be associated with mic positions that are outside the zone of tweeter spread, so all mic positions should be as illustrated in the setup guide, well within the boundaries of FR/L and should be done at seated ear height (1 or 2 positions a couple inches above and below is good too) and the tweeters should be close to the same height. Fronts are toed in or not based on OEM recommendations. Audyssey Flat curve selected under EQ will sound brighter than the std Audyssey curve.
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post #4688 of 10201
1/13/11 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by poorgradstudent View Post

Thank you for your reply... but no dice. No trigger.

I don't suppose the amp has an IR sensor/remote code that you could use in a universal remote? It just seems wasteful to run it 24/7, and will shorten its usable life. I would use a smart power strip to turn it on when the AVR is on only.
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post #4689 of 10201
1/13/11 at 9:05pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

...I would strongly recommend setting the up as WIDE speakers and then run Audyssey on the full 7-ch setup...If the goal is better "surround" sound for special movie night, the WIDES are significantly cooler than the surround backs.

Very cool indeed. I resurrected the Polk RT800i towers and recruited them temporarily as wides to try DSX. All I can say is I have been smiling and shaking my head all night at how Audyssey technology just keeps getting better. I have the 4310.

My fronts are Dali Helicon 400s, at 30 degrees from center. Surrounds are in-wall Polks at 95 degrees, so I already had what I thought was a well-optimized surround bubble with DynEQ. I set the wides at about 50 degrees, to accommodate the couch on the right, and they are not equidistant to me as are LCR. Rather they are close to each respective side wall where the surrounds are mounted. Even though they should be at 60, they make an immediately evident significant SQ improvement with better envelopment and a fuller, wider soundstage. A/B tests done on The Matrix Blu-ray shoot-your-way-into-the -building-with-automatic-weapons scene, Fifth Element DVD Diva concert scene and Roy Orbison Black and White Nights Blu-ray. It is seemless with no evident timbre differences.

My initial impression is that these really need not be matched to the fronts, like the CC, but rather it seems to me that wides are more accommodating to differing timbre, like surrounds are. So I think I will look for some bookshelf speakers to use as wides. I encourage those who have been hesitant about wides to think outside the box in terms of placement and size. They are definitely worth trying.
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post #4690 of 10201
1/13/11 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by Makaveli Tha Don View Post

There aren't any anywhere close to me. I refuse to send it off to a place that's going to take 3 weeks or something ridiculous to fix it before they send it back to me.

Mine is taking 4 weeks to get fixed! ....and with the Atlanta snow freeze all week, I'm sure it will be delayed by a week more!
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post #4691 of 10201
1/13/11 at 9:35pm
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Add another unit with network issue

I tried everything mentioned in this forum including network reset and standard reset with no success. I even left the 3311 unplugged over night and tried it all again. No mac address and NetUSB source says please wait, connecting and stays that way for ever. So, it looks like it's going in for repair. It worked great for 3 months but last week some time it started up with this.

I have a local repair center near by but does anyone know if I have to get some sort of RMA before bringing it in? I hate the thought of having to deal with Denon customer service and have to go through everything all over again.

I'm bummed out to put it mildly. All my receivers have always been Denon and this is the first time I've ever had an issue.

Rick

Same here. I have bought at least FIVE Denon receivers in the past 10 years. All have worked really well and the one that has network connectivity has been working like a Swiss watch for over 3 years. I wonder if the 3311 is just a cheap version of a "real" Denon receiver (like the Ford-made Jaguar).
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post #4692 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:00am
Has anyone here purchased a refurb 33iici and is it a mistake to do so?
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post #4693 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:52am
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Has anyone here purchased a refurb 33iici and is it a mistake to do so?

33iici, I never seen one of them
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post #4694 of 10201
1/14/11 at 7:09am
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Originally Posted by sseligson View Post

Has anyone here purchased a refurb 33iici and is it a mistake to do so?

Nothing wrong with purchasing refurbished as long as you do it from a Denon authorized reseller (e.g eCost, Dakmart). eCost only offers the normal 90 day warranty while Dakmart extends that an extra 9 months to a full year. Another option would be to buy a 3rd party warranty (eg. SquareTrade). Regardless, IMHO I wouldn't puchase a refurb without some kind of warranty.
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post #4695 of 10201
1/14/11 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Hi. "Too bright" should not have to do with your speakers, which are certainly good quality. That can be associated with mic positions that are outside the zone of tweeter spread, so all mic positions should be as illustrated in the setup guide, well within the boundaries of FR/L and should be done at seated ear height (1 or 2 positions a couple inches above and below is good too) and the tweeters should be close to the same height. Fronts are toed in or not based on OEM recommendations. Audyssey Flat curve selected under EQ will sound brighter than the std Audyssey curve.

Indeed I do not even consider using Audyssey Flat due to this. I used to toe-in the L/R but not anymore and I am quite happy with the imaging. I will do a recalibration over the weekend and report back soon. The speakers are 684s + HTM62 + 686s + ASW610
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post #4696 of 10201
1/14/11 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Very cool indeed. I resurrected the Polk RT800i towers and recruited them temporarily as wides to try DSX. All I can say is I have been smiling and shaking my head all night at how Audyssey technology just keeps getting better. I have the 4310.

My fronts are Dali Helicon 400s, at 30 degrees from center. Surrounds are in-wall Polks at 95 degrees, so I already had what I thought was a well-optimized surround bubble with DynEQ. I set the wides at about 50 degrees, to accommodate the couch on the right, and they are not equidistant to me as are LCR. Rather they are close to each respective side wall where the surrounds are mounted. Even though they should be at 60, they make an immediately evident significant SQ improvement with better envelopment and a fuller, wider soundstage. A/B tests done on The Matrix Blu-ray shoot-your-way-into-the -building-with-automatic-weapons scene, Fifth Element DVD Diva concert scene and Roy Orbison Black and White Nights Blu-ray. It is seemless with no evident timbre differences.

My initial impression is that these really need not be matched to the fronts, like the CC, but rather it seems to me that wides are more accommodating to differing timbre, like surrounds are. So I think I will look for some bookshelf speakers to use as wides. I encourage those who have been hesitant about wides to think outside the box in terms of placement and size. They are definitely worth trying.

another convert!

I too was stunned at how smooth and seamless the effect is, and how much more expansive and immersive the soundstage is. And I was surprised at how good it was for music, it really does make you feel that "auditory source width" of being in a spacious concert hall, without being distracting. Hearing is believing for sure!

I knew you wouldn't be able to go back... time to have a talk with the wife
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post #4697 of 10201
1/14/11 at 9:55am
^^^^ so adding widths will make this much of a difference!!I have some paradigm 110 kicking around, and now itching to try them out,! means running more wires though. and the rest of my 5.1 wires are in the walls,so for meantime i think i will just let the wires hang and see if it will be worth the work in the end... thanx for your post guys!
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post #4698 of 10201
1/14/11 at 10:00am
it's worth the experiment, next time the wife is gone for a couple of hours run those wires and give it a shot!

try and get those wides as close as possible to the "recommended" +/- 60 degree spread, and they should be approximately the same height as the L/C/R speakers (they are an extension of those front three speakers, not elevated for ambient effect like surrounds)
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post #4699 of 10201
1/14/11 at 10:09am
do they need to be a larger type speaker? or will smaller ones like my paradigms 110 be fine? I guess they will just be "filling" in sound correct?
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post #4700 of 10201
1/14/11 at 10:28am
they can be anything, that's the point of Audyssey EQ and bass management. You make the compromises you need and it will do its best to calibrate the system into a cohesive whole.

in an "ideal world" we would have identical speakers at every spot, but that doesn't really happen. Do the best you can and they will certainly be good enough for an experimental run as "proof of concept".
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post #4701 of 10201
1/14/11 at 10:38am
hmm decisions decisions....to buy another set of RC30s for wides....buy two lcr's and set as wides....or buy two more rc70's as wides. I think rc30's would be good....? Same level as the front RC70s and center though?
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post #4702 of 10201
1/14/11 at 11:07am
I have two minor problems with my Denon 3311CI:
  1. The remote RC-1146 of the 3311CI can't control iPod dock ASD-51N when I'm at the Dock input source, I try to manually set the preset code for the input source Dock that according to the manual is the 42517 preset code and also try to reset the remote with the 981 preset code (page 95 of the manual) and nothing, is possible that the remote RC-1146 will no be compatible with the iPod dock ASD-51N?
  2. I can't control the HD radio trough the web control. I can do it a few days ago and after a microprocessor reset because the MAC address don't show up and the network was not working and doing the AirPlay upgrade, the web control stop working for the HD radio only, here is a screen capture:

    Just for the records, I try from various different computers and from IE, FireFox and Safari and also power off the Denon without the network standby function on for let it power off completely.

Any ideas will be great, thanks.
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post #4703 of 10201
1/14/11 at 3:10pm
I know we're not supposed to talk price BUT, if anyone is thinking of buying a refurb, there are 2 coupons floating around online for the 3311ci specifically (NEW not refurbished) and expire on 1/31/11. One is for Electronics Expo and one is for 6ave. One is for 31% and the other 33% off. 6ave comes out just a bit cheaper... . I just ordered one from 6ave yesterday and it shipped today. I'm in Los Angeles.

To add to that, my Marantz SR5003 which I love has started going a little wonky on me with HDMI issues. Been flawless till last week. I'm going to retire the Marantz to my little computer room where I run my Mac into an older Pioneer and a pair of older Mission Bookshelves and an Onix X-sub (remember those things?). The Marantz will replace the older Pioneer.

The things that made me decide on the Denon over another Marantz were- pricing (with Network features) EQ XT, and a dedicated phono input (which the Marantz SR7005 does have but is $1500). I'm also excited for individual channel crossovers as my SR5003 doesn't have that feature.

I'll be running it with Paradigm Monitor 7v3's and a CC-290 v6 up front, and a pair of ADP 350's in the rear. I recently did away with 7.1 but, I'm thinking of picking up a pair of Atoms for the height or rear if I can find a pair used in good shape. I'm also planning on upgrading my fronts in the next 6 months to the Monitor 9 v6.

Any suggestions on individual crossover setting for my set up?
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post #4704 of 10201
1/14/11 at 3:53pm
New 3311ci and running Audyssey Auto Setup. Gets to 97% Calibration and locks up every time. Too many pages on this Thread to check for solutions.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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post #4705 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:20pm
About two weeks ago the network card on my Denon AVR-3311 crashed suddenly (no network connectivity, no MAC address displayed anymore). The problem could not be resolved locally, so I had to send it in for repair.

Today I received the "repaired" unit back from my dealer. The network card must have been exchanged (different MAC address than when unit was originally purchased).

The network functionality is now working again, however, to my surprise the unit now suddenly "features" the North American firmware instead of the original European firmware (I live in Germany) after the repair. Furthermore, HDMI OUT 1 doesn't work anymore either. I suspect that might have to do with the American firmware loaded on the unit.

Is there any way to manually load the latest European firmware on the system? The regular network update didn't work as the unit claims to already have the "latest firmware".

Network reset and microprocessor reset didn't help either.

I really don't want to have to send my receiver in again. If I can't solve the problem by myself now, I'll just return the unit to the dealer and will never by another Denon appliance ever again!
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post #4706 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:30pm
^^^

A bit melodramatic don't think? Why not just call the repair facility and ask them what firmware they installed?
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post #4707 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:33pm
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Originally Posted by Zhera View Post

New 3311ci and running Audyssey Auto Setup. Gets to 97% Calibration and locks up every time. Too many pages on this Thread to check for solutions.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Try unplugging the 3311 for 10 minutes and then do AUTO SETUP again. If still no joy, you may have to reset the microprocessor (p. 116).
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post #4708 of 10201
1/14/11 at 4:38pm
Thanks, I'll give any idea a shot at this point.
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post #4709 of 10201
1/14/11 at 5:22pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Not sure why you felt compelled to post in both this thread and the 4311 thread; however, the charge for the Airplay was announced back in November.

Because I bought both models. And I bought them in October.
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post #4710 of 10201
1/14/11 at 5:24pm
My Onkyo 886 preamp just had to the repair shop. I am looking at possibly upgrading to something newer. I don't have a large budget, so I thought I would get people's thoughts on using the 3311 as a preamp only. Has anyone compared this Denon to a high level Onkyo or Integra? I am just curious if it would even be an upgrade, or side step or possibly even a downgrade.
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