The **Official** Denon 3311CI/ 991 Owner's Thread NO PRICE TALK - Page 167

Originally Posted by Dark Rider

Chicks dig professional audio gear Seriously though, if you don't want to use the crown amp and the sub is good enough and worth the time/effort, you could also integrate a decent plate amp on the back which would give you a crossover as well for a pretty modest investment:

http://www.parts-express.com/wizards...AT&srchCat=505

There's also the infamous Polk PSW-505, which can be had for a good price from Newegg. It's certainly not the last word in low end extension, but is powerful, well made, and sounds great for both HT and music applications. I actually ended up going with two of them and selling a single eD A2-300, because I liked the pair of 505's better for music.

Originally Posted by TechnoG

I have a few noob questions after reading through the 3311 Owner's Manual, Batpig's Guide and the Audyssey Set Up Guide. I have not performed the Audyssey set up yet (manual set up only so far) and I am a bit confused on the Audyssey/Multi EQ XT stuff.

1. Once Audyssey has been set up, is there any going back to not using it? In other words, if I don't like the resulting sound quality, do I just turn Multi EQ to off and the filtering/calibrations/corrections are cancelled? Does it then revert to my previous manual settings? I have a very weird room configuration where both of my main viewing/listening seats are to the sides slightly (about 15-20 degrees off the center channel to either side). This is the only configuration I can set up in the room and I'm not sure what kind of results I may get with the Audyssey setup. My physical set up looks like seating diagram in the Audyssey Set Up Guide, except no couch in the middle. There is a fireplace where the couch is shown.

2. If I make changes after Audyssey has been set up (e.g. crossover setting, speaker distance, channel level, large/small), do I have to run Audyssey again? It says that in the Owner's manual. However, the Audyssey Set Up Guide seems to indicate you don't have to rerun Audyssey, if for example, you change the crossover or change speakers size from large to small. Which instructions are correct?

3. If say I want to just listen to CD music in just stereo (2.1), but I don't like how Audyssey is making it sound (but I like the blu-ray movie sound), can I just turn off Multi EQ (reference Question #1)? Would my previous manual settings come back then, or would I have to set them up again?

4. Do I still have to calibrate the Subwoofer volume with the 3311? The Audyssey Set Up Guide says you can skip those steps (Section G) with a newer receiver. I assume the 3311 is new enough to not have to do this?

5. I understand that if I want to pass through my audio and video from my cable box to the TV via the 3311, with no video processing, I have to leave Video Conversion to On and I/P Scaler to Off. But does this mean that I have to leave the 3311 on to get sound? In other words, can I just pass both the video and sound through the 3311 and get the sound through the TV speakers only? Then if I want to get sound through the receiver, I just turn it on? Probably not that simple, huh?

Sorry for these crazy questions, but I am coming from a 12 year old Marantz surround sound receiver without anything like Audyssey or video processing.

Originally Posted by TechnoG

2. If I make changes after Audyssey has been set up (e.g. crossover setting, speaker distance, channel level, large/small), do I have to run Audyssey again? It says that in the Owner's manual. However, the Audyssey Set Up Guide seems to indicate you don't have to rerun Audyssey, if for example, you change the crossover or change speakers size from large to small. Which instructions are correct?

Originally Posted by TechnoG

4. Do I still have to calibrate the Subwoofer volume with the 3311? The Audyssey Set Up Guide says you can skip those steps (Section G) with a newer receiver. I assume the 3311 is new enough to not have to do this?

Originally Posted by TechnoG

5. In other words, can I just pass both the video and sound through the 3311 and get the sound through the TV speakers only? Then if I want to get sound through the receiver, I just turn it on? Probably not that simple, huh?

Originally Posted by space2001

Thanks jdsmoothie. I figured out how to get it working and even do a passthrough to my tv.

is there any discrete ir codes that allows me to sellect monitor 1.

and monitor 2.

Thanks

Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

I doubt any store can get away with selling
used electronics as new. There are very hefty
laws against doing that.

6th ave electronics is very reputable. Bought
my Denon 3311 from them for much less than
what other people have been buying from.

Originally Posted by Mac13

I was just curious. Has anyone on here bought their receiver from electronics expo or 6ave? I know they have pretty good prices every once in a while but I was told by a local dealer that there is no way they could be selling for that cheap. He said that more then likely they are not "new" units even though they are stated as new. Just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with these stores and if the receivers you got from them were ok or if you had some problems. Is there a way to tell if the receiver I receive is 'B' stock? Thanks!

Originally Posted by lugiber

Sorry to bug you guys about this, but I still haven't got any answer to my question.
Is there a way to get the upnp music lists (when using net/usb) displayed on the monitor or is the only way to browse it via the screen on the amp?
Thanks.

Originally Posted by NittanyLouie

Thanks for your ongoing posts jdsmoothie. As a new 991 owner I find your experience and insights to be invaluable! After ending up in an endless firmware update loop on my first try I successfully made it through the ether img update. I've now been presented with the airplay upgrade option. Have you used this and if so what's your take so far? Currently I have 300 gb of music on my iMac in AIFF sync'd to 2 ipod classics which I play through a Wadia 170i Transport (bypassing the DAC in the ipod and using the DAC in my new 991). The music sounds great as it did on my old pioneer elite. only downside is that you have to use the ipod dial wheel to select your music. On on screen display would be so much easier.

Originally Posted by Mac13

I was just curious. Has anyone on here bought their receiver from electronics expo or 6ave? I know they have pretty good prices every once in a while but I was told by a local dealer that there is no way they could be selling for that cheap. He said that more then likely they are not "new" units even though they are stated as new. Just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with these stores and if the receivers you got from them were ok or if you had some problems. Is there a way to tell if the receiver I receive is 'B' stock? Thanks!

Originally Posted by adamanteus


2- No need to run Audyssey again. Just make changes to speaker size, crossovers, etc and it will still apply MULTIEQ XT. Not sure why it states it in the manual. I was confused at first too.

Originally Posted by Dark Rider

My media lists show up on mine with no problems. In fact, the 3311 also picks up my PlayOn (used with my PS3) upnp media server as well, and shows it to me through my hdmi display. I do like the fact that you don't need to turn the display on though, since I use a projector.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Once in a while? They generally start out at 25% off MSRP right from the release date, although keep in mind that wholesale on these puppies is likely no more than 50% of MSRP. Best Buy is Denon's largest customer and has been selling their HDMI 1.3 units from 2009 at up to 75% off, to include the $1999 MSRP 4310 for $550. These resellers sell thousands of these AVRs and therefore can cut that profit margin down to much smaller proportions whereas your local dealer mom and pop shop cannot and therefore has to sell at MSRP. These resellers are also authorized Denon resellers which means they are required to get their stock directly from Denon so you can be rest assured that you are getting new "A" stock units unless of course they are specificaly advertised as "open box."

Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

Back in the day Abe's of Maine's claim to
fame was the fact that they were dirt cheap
but were opening boxes, taking out accessories,
and then selling them to the customers separately.

That is one etailer that I will never purchase from.

Perhaps they are still up to the same practice which
is why Denon is not associated with them.

Definitely do not purchase from anyone that is not
an authorized retailer -- especially with some of the
problems that owners are having with the 3311.

Originally Posted by adamanteus

As you know I did from 6ave Mac, got it in exactly 6 days. Brand spanking new with that new AVR scent. My Marantz SR5003 a few years back, was purchased there and same thing. I think a local dealer will say that merely because he cannot compete with a place that sells to 50 states IMHO.

Thanks, Ron. I wish I had asked here before I made the purchase.

Originally Posted by Ronald Epstein

Stan,

I am not saying you will get open box equipment.

I would check everything carefully to make sure all
accessories are included and everything looks freshly
packed.

The downside is that you didn't buy it from an authorized
dealer. That being the case, you may have difficulties if
you experience any of the networking problems that seem
to be running rampant here.

Originally Posted by jtara


Edit: Damned thing just started working, and I didn't change a thing! The only thing I can think is that scaling doesn't take effect until you change channels. That is, I think it doesn't apply the scaling until it sees a new channel, so you can fiddle with the settings till the cows come home, and it isn't going to make any difference until you switch to a different signal. I switched to a standard-def channel to see what it did there. When I switched it back to "problem channel", the overlay worked and the signal to the TV is 1080p.