The **Official** Denon 3311CI/ 991 Owner's Thread NO PRICE TALK - Page 18

Energy speakers rock!!! Lynn also awesome.

Can any owners comment on the switching time it takes for the scaler in the 3311 to react to different input resolutions? i.e.- if set to output 1080p/60, how long does it take when switching between a 1080i, 720p, 430i input signal? Many thanks!

Hmmm but it does not seem correct,

I put in AVR-3311CI, and it showed up but it does not look complete / does not have the right inputs etc...I will work on it.

Awesome as im expecting my 3311 and harmony one in a few days!!

Yeah hopefully if I do it right it will get uploaded to the DB, I am not always convinced/sure if/how that works.

update : I just order a harmony one as well.

After reading this thread and the original "New Models" thread for a while, I gave up and bought one to replace my 790. Mainly wanted MultiEqXT, the OSD over HDMI and better DAC's. The 30% power increase and network interface are gravy.

Hi guys, hope this is OK to post, but would some of you mind PM'ing me the where you got a decent deal on a 3311 with warranty? I am looking to buy soon and would like to know where/whom to contact. Thanks!

I'm not going to expound any more on 4310 vs 3311, if you've read this thread you've heard plenty on this already

Since you are interested in 3D support for "future proofing", that does seem to scratch off the xx10 models. Since you have no interest in DSX width/height channels, then that gives even more reason not to go with 4810 (FYI - there almost certainly will NOT be a 4811, as you know from your 4306 Denon does not replace these high-end models on a once-per-year cycle).

Obviously repairing the 4306 is the cheapest solution. I can't comment on your particular budget so I can't say which is "better" between repairing the old one vs getting a new unit.

The main benefits of newer units will be (1) more HDMI inputs, (2) better video processing / switching, (3) newer Audyssey implementations and (4) network features. I'm not sure that, pound-for-pound, the actual sound quality will be that much better than your 4306.... especially since it's a dedicated theater room and you are assumedly listening LOUD, the benefits of Dynamic EQ + Volume are probably not as relevant (these are mostly low-volume listening technologies).

If you want to wait for the 4311, one feature which may intrigue you is the new (yet to be announced fully) version of Audyssey MultEQ XT, dubbed "MultEQ XT 32". Audyssey cannot release any details until their licensees do so first, but it is safe to assume this new version will include 32x filter resolution on the satellites (double that of the current MultEQ XT, and equal to that of the external SEQ solution).

The MultEQ XT on the 3311 is actually better than that in your 4306; since your AVR came out, Audyssey has made improvements, especially the addition of ALC (adaptive low-freq correction) which increased the subwoofer channel resolution to 128x. If you want ultimate perfection in room correction, you could wait for the 4311 (or consider the 3311 + getting a Pro upgrade installed by a professional calibrator).

Here's a good test -- since you already have a 3311, why not hook that up in the main theater room (swapping with the 2802), run MultEQ XT, and see if you think things sound better to you than they did with the 4306? If you can't hear any major improvements to your ears, just get the 4306 repaired and be done with it. You are in a unique position in that you can test this for yourself

Got my 3311 yesterday. Set up went smoothly...the network connected and updated without any hassle and Audessey auto setup was a breeze.

This thing is puts my old Onkyo HTIB receiver to shame. The sound quality is amazing - cleaner, more powerful, more detailed and much more immersive. Audessey works really well and probably produces better results than most of us could get, even after spending hours tweaking things manually. Dynamic EQ and volume are great - Dyn EQ works kind of like the "loudness" button on old stereos. It also makes it easier to hear dialog clearly at low volumes.
Pandora is nice to have. HD radio is okay, but I only get a couple of stations.

I'm running Polks (Rti-A7s/Csi-A6/Tsi-100). The Rti's are a bit inefficient and I was wondering if the 3311 would have enough juice for them. It definitely does and I don't see a need for external amps (so I guess I could have waited for the 991 instead).

A couple nitpicky things - the remotes truly suck. The main remote is 'illuminated' by using glow in the dark plastic/rubber buttons, rather than backlighting. The glow fades a couple of minutes after darkening the room. I guess you could then pause your movie, turn on the lights and place the remote under the lamp to recharge it Definitely get a Harmony or something like it. Build quality is a bit lower than expected - plastic faceplate, knobs and display screen. Anyway, you can't tell from a distance, and how often do we even go up to receiver to adjust it.

Okay, my first glitch - I initially ran Audessey auto setup assuming a 5.1 setup. I then connected rear speakers, added them in the speaker config menu and attempted to rerun Audessey. It starts, but after measuring the LF speaker, it gives the error message "no speaker/microphone connected" and won't finish. I made sure to skip all unused speaker outputs. Anyone else have this happen?

Im curious to know if the new abt 2015 chip in the 3311 will eliminate the lag from gaming sources that seemed to be a problem in units with thye 2010 chip?

Anyone know when the 991 will be released?

thanks...

The Denon marketing releases back in April indicated the 991 would be released sometime this month.

the chips are basically the same thing, and they aren't to "blame" for the lag. When you do digital processing, it takes time, period... it was not a "problem" with the 2010 chip so it's not something that anybody should expect will be "fixed" with the 2015 chip! It's just a fact of life with digital processing paths.... which, as before, you can simply avoid by turning the i/p scaler off!

however, you may be interested in the introduction on the xx11 models of a new setting for "Video Mode", for which one setting is called "Game" and seems to be specifically intended to reduce lag. AFAIK nobody has tested this setting to see what it does.

If I understand correctly, you started with a 5.1 setup, ran Audyssey without issue, then added two more speakers for a 7.1 setup, reran Audyssey and had the glitch. Did you change AMP ASSIGN to NORMAL? If you reseated the mic and still get the same error, try first power cycling the AVR (turn to Standby and unplug for a few minutes, then plug back in). If still no joy, then reset the microprocessor (p. 116).

I should be receiving my 3311 in a couple days and i will definately try the game mode on my wii and 360 to try and identify any benefits it may have. I understand its not a "problem" in the true sense of the word but would assume a new model chip must have some benefit somewhere?

I was told August by a support rep. at Denon Canada. But I would love it to be earlier. This weekend would be ok with me.

Doug

Thanks, shutting the power down worked. Didn't have to reset.

Just picked up a 3311ci and ordered some Revel M12s/C12. Unfortunately, will have to wait to get back from vaca to match all that up to my svs pb-13ultra. It's gonna be a long week. Guess I can spend the time memorizing batpig's dictionary.

Keep the info coming, guys. Good stuff.

On a side note, and I apologize if this moves too far off topic, but does anyone have a reccomendation for the easiest network path for this unit? I have ethernet running to my room, but have never networked my components. I'll have a BR player, TV and the 3311ci which can be networked. Looking to determine if I need to buy a switch, hub or another router.

Switch would be plug-in easy.

But if your browsing AVS from a laptop in front of your home theater, you might want to consider dropping a router in there for better wifi if you dont have good reception in there. Nobody said you can only have 1 wifi in the house. though that'll raise the level of difficulty as you'll need to disable and change some stuff to have it co-exist with your other router.

And to get back on topic:

Do people want a seporate Harmony setup thread? I hate scanning 1000 posts on 1 thread for something. But I don't have a good setup to share, so I'm kinda shy to start the thread.

Most folks simply have Logitech copy from batpig's account ... "batpigworld" to their account.

we have some reports that the IR codes may be different on the new models....

plus of course the Denon remote has now added the ability to cycle Day > Evening > Midnight mode, making the utility of my Harmony database a little less relevant. You should be able to just add "AVR 3311CI" as the device and it should take care of it all for you.

My 3311 just got delivered at home. Cant wait to get off work!!!

Shouldn't you be connecting speakers, as well as any other connections, while power-off to begin with? OK, maybe USB is OK even power on...

Or did you need to do an extra standby/power-on cycle?

My original post was poorly written. All speakers, including rears, were connected before turning the receiver on, however Audessey auto setup did not detect the rears on its first run. Not until reading the manual did I discover that the default setting is 5.1. You need to go in and set the speaker config (if other than 5.1) manually. Ideally, you should do this before running Audessey auto setup. To rerun auto setup after changing the speaker config settings required a shut down power on cycle.

Got my 3311 going and the Audessey set up - sounds great! definitely more soundstage detail and ambiance than my 790 (used I Robot - the warehouse scene). The OSD is also a nice improvement.

Thanks for the tip. Unfortunately it still doesn't work. It works perfectly when I use my Vista laptop. At least I can rule out the AVR.

One thing I haven't figured out yet is this:
"Dual HDMI outputs enabling simlutaneous outputs to a video projector and a flat panel HDTV"
This is straight from the product sheet for the 3311 located on Denon's website.
The 4810/4310 had three available selections for HDMI outputs,
HDMI Monitor 1, 2 & Both/Dual.
The 3311 only has two options HDMI Monitor 1 or 2.
The 3311 doesn't seem to have Dual HDMI output capability, unless I'm missing something
Not really a big deal as I never watch both displays at the same time..
but I liked using HDMI Monitor Both/Dual on the 4810/4310 and not having to do any switching.

DreamCatcher

The 3311 manual does indeed indicate only one HDMI output can be selected at a time and that only HDMI1 OUT can be used with the HDMI Control setting.

Yeah I just read that, thanks for the info though.
Looks like Denon needs to update/fix their product sheet

DreamCatcher

Okay, I finally got mine. Setup was going well, then I decided to test the network, and the first one I clicked was "Pandora". It said I needed a firmware upgrade, so I went to go do that. The firmware upgrade seemed to be progressing fine counting down from 13 minutes and showing different stages on the screen until it got to a part that says "Sub Updating" with 5 minutes remaining, and it has said that for the last 30 minutes.

I am worried it is stuck... but not sure if it will kill it to power off in the middle of a firmware update, so it's just sitting there for now.