The **Official** Denon 3311CI/ 991 Owner's Thread NO PRICE TALK - Page 179

Hmm... never thought of that. Yeah when I connect my FTA receiver to the 3311 there is a bit of a shadow around objects. The wii is just not as crisp as straight to the TV. I will try it out when my "new" 3311 comes and keep you posted

Thank you for posting this update! My unit failed at exactly 60 days from purchase, so it seems to be like yours. Denon has also told me that they were not able to just reprogram the card. It has to be replaced.

So, I hope it won't fail again after 2 months. It's taken almost two months just to fix it!

lovswr,

I tried to warn you multiple times about taking the unit there. I paid dearly for doing that and lost two weeks. After pulling it back from Norman's, I sent it to Panurgy in NJ. They looked at it within 3 days!! Not going back to Norman's again.

Not to nitpick, but I've seen a fair amount of scalers, both integrated and professional stand alone... I have yet to find an integrated TV with a scaler that does better than the ABT 2015. My projector has a high end HQV Reon VX-210 chip in it that does better for analog and SD sources, but the ABT 2015 I still think is a touch better for HD. At the very least, he should not be seeing any degradation in picture. It may not look better, but it shouldn't look worse, unless there is some other problem.

My receiver went bonkers today, so I did a microprocessor reset and network reset. When I try reloading the settings file I saved the web page says "This page is not available" and the error message reads "Error 101 (net::ERR_CONNECTION_RESET): Unknown error.". This happens continuously. I haven't figured out how to get my settings file to load. Any suggestions for me to try?

We'll agree on that point highlighted above. I'm simply basing my comment on having seen enough posts in these Denon threads in the last 2 years from folks using AVRs with the 2010 and 2015 chips that indicated they bypass the video chip as it doesn't do any better a job than their TV.

It would seem the network reset didn't complete correctly. Are you getting full functionality with the AVR otherwise? You may want to do the network reset again if not already run again.

Is it even confirmed that the 3311 has the ABT 2015 video chip? I haven't seen that listed anywhere. All that they say is "Video Conversion Analog to HDMI Scaling 480p 720p 1080i 1080p". I had heard previous models had an ABT chip but I haven't seen anything about it in the 3311. I really hope there is though.

On another note, I will probably be running everything straight through and not having the receiver scale anything. I have a Pioneer KRP-500m TV and PS3. I have been very happy with the scaling that the PS3 does but didn't know what kind of chip was in it. Do TVs really do scaling? I thought they just accept what you give them. Does anyone know what kind of video chip the PS3 and KRP-500m have and which would do a better job scaling (and then if I had a 3311 would it do better then both of these?) Thanks!

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PS3 is all software based (everything runs via the powerful Cell processor) but no idea about the Kuro.... probably not a "brand name" thing but rather proprietary Pioneer stuff.


ok, here's a puzzle for you: if your TV did NOT do any scaling, how would it be possible that a 720p image (1280x720 pixels) fills your entire screen (1920x1080 pixels) instead of being a smaller rectangle with a black border all around?

True lol. I understand that but I didn't know if it would actually make it look better as opposed to just sizing it. Guess I'm just a little confused lol. I just was thinking there wasn't much software/hardware in the TV that would scale like a receiver or PS3.

You said it is confirmed it has the ABT 2015. Can you point me to where that is mentioned? I'd like to see that. Thanks!

scaling is BY DEFINITION changing the size (resolution). It does NOT imply in any way that it will make the picture look better


the entire purpose of a TV is to DISPLAY VIDEO. why would you think a TV (especially a high-end one like your KRP) wouldn't have the appropriate horsepower to do the job it was designed to do??


somebody looked under the hood some ways back to see the exact video chip, honestly I'm too lazy to find the exact post so you are just going to have to trust me....

Haha thanks for the clarification batpig. I am using D-Nice's settings for my KRP-500m and it has pretty much all of the processing disabled so it makes sense to me now.

Just wondering which of these devices would do the best job with video? (PS3, kuro tv, or denon 3311)

Can someone answer me a quick question and forgive me for not reading it elsewhere in this thread:

Can you use the second output to output a mirrored HDMI signal to a different monitor? There are two outputs on this reciever, but I hooked up a second monitor and it doesn't seem to work. I cant find anything in the manual. Thanks.

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Although the HDMI outputs are identical, you can only output to one at a time using the Monitor Out setting (p. 82).

For people in Orange County/LA area, where are you sending your Denon in for service for quickest turnaround? I have the network card issue and would like to get it serviced.

I assume the video is being processed even when the AVR is off and it is in pass though mode, correct, otherwise there would be no video output to the TV?

Or is it truly just a "pass though" with no processing when the AVR is off?

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Truly just pass through and the TV does the processing.

I posted earlier a page or 2 back. HiTechtronics is the best in L.A. actually Carson. I've called numerous "authorized repair centers" in the past for other receivers and I've always been referred to them.

Hitechtronic
1650 Glenn Curtis Street
Carson, CA 90746 United States
Tel.: (310) 764-1454 Fax: (310) 764-5627

I have a real quick question actually. I just received and mounted some Paradigm Atoms which I'm using as my rears so I'm back to full 7.1. When I engage PLIIx I can toggle between PLIIx C and M. I'm assuming C is for Cinema? M is for Music?

Thanks.

Yup.

Thanks, I actually just resorted to looking at the manual . I know, I know...

I see in the manual you can toggle between - C,M or G. I don't see G on my receiver when I toggle though. No biggie I don't need it, just wondering if G is based on a menu item you must engage or a specific input.

G - Game should show up with 2CH input only.

Hi....The Denon web site said that the 3311 has simultaneous HDMI outputs. but I can only seem to get one or the other...Could these boneheads have done a misprint on their site?...(or am I the bonehead?)...If I am, can someone tell me how to get the 2 HDMI outs to work simultaneously?...Thanx.

You are in the same boat as me...We've been duped!...I bought the unit because their website has it in the specs that it has simultaneous HDMI outs, but it must be a misprint, because I can't get them to play at the same time...It's going back, and I'm going back to Pioneer Elite.

Ah-so. Thank you.

Couple of notes.

1- Anyone find the receiver's video processing makes their display (TV) a little "contrasty"? I'm going to try and just turn off all option on my Blu Ray input tomorrow and see what happens. Seems fine on the DirecTV input though.

2 - Like I mentioned previously, I went back to 7.1 today and installed a pair of Atoms as my back surrounds. I obviously re-ran Audyssey. I usually do Audyssey when my wife isn't home, she just doesn't get it and there's always some type of racket when she's here and I try to do it... Today I was impatient though, had installed the Atoms and wanted to get things going. So, I tell her I'm going to calibrate, she moans and I shut her in the bedroom with the dogs ...

Ok so, I'm running Audyssey (again usually I do this in dead silence), Mic set up, I start. Front L - then onto the Center. "What's that noise?" I say to myself in panic. Well she's blasting the TV in the bedroom and I can hear it fairly clearly as the Bedroom is on the other side of the back wall. She's trying to drown out the calibration tones! I feel the blood rush to my head and fight the urge to go semi-postal. I suck it up and figure "I'll just redo it tomorrow when she goes on an errand".

I finish the calibration we sit down and watch a couple Blu Rays (Let Me In, Machete), and it's probably the best Audyssey set-up I've ever run. It's almost as if the extra ambient noise actually helped.

Go figure.

But what if we never do a firmware update i.e. never hook it up to a network? Will there eventually be some kind of HDMI failure?

Chris (audyssey) has repeatedly said that Audyssey monitors the process for a few milliseconds before and after the sweep and if the ambient noise is detected as too high the test sweeps will repeat louder. I should believe him, but I'm as nutz as anybody about ambient sound, too.

Jdsmoothie There are authorized dealers that sell on ebay. Im from canada and purchased one , the only caveat is you have to ship to the US for warranty.

I did both resets a pile of times and eventually it worked. Who knows, maybe I was impatient or something like that. Either way, I'm up and running now. Thanks.

Scott

Interesting. Audyssey did do this once on like the 3rd or 4th meausurement position on the subwoofer only. That was the only instance it repeated the test sweep louder. Maybe the ambient noise wasn't too high and I've become too OCD. Or maybe it wasn't loud enough and we've all become too OCD. But that TV was blaring. I could easily hear it and the words being spoken by the actors on whatever show she was watching.