The **Official** Denon 3311CI/ 991 Owner's Thread NO PRICE TALK - Page 258

Video convert takes an analog signal and makes it digital. I/p scaler up converts your resolution.

Dumb question but I am overwhelmed. What is the best way to get music from your ipod to the AVR? With my old reciever I have a cheap, old no name dock that I can place my iphone, ipod classic, etc and it connects to my receiver via RCA cables. Control of songs is done via the ipod. With my new AVR-991 I see four ways to control my electronic music. First is going with the ASD-11R Denon Dock. Second is just plugging into the USB port connect to the ipod. Is there a sound or control difference going with one of these routes over the other? The next way is Airplay, which I assume is better in that I don't have to physically connect the ipod to the system to play? Lastly is through the network port and I can stream it directly from itunes. I don't believe I need to buy/use Airplay if I am going directly to iTunes?

Sorry for the dumb question but I've just never had so many options available and I'm trying to go with which is best. Thanks!

the "best" one is the one that meets your needs in terms of convenience.

would you rather have your iPhone sitting in a dock where it charges? then get a dock.

would you rather stream it wirelessly? the get the Airplay upgrade.

would you rather control the music through the AVR's on-screen interface, and don't mind bending over to plug in the iPhone directly? then use the USB cable.

basically, use the method which sounds best to YOU given your usage habits.

So I did my testing as you suggested. Both with the spliter and without, the readings were the same.

thank you, that's what I thought. I think we can put that theory to bed now, there is clearly no difference between splitting internally vs. externally.

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somehow, that's not surprising...

To add to BP comments.

For the best gui and if you want video as well not hi-jacking the main zone when playing in zone 2 invest in the atv 2 instead of airplay.

I too was looking at the asd-11r dock before purchasing the atv and read the reviews that told me that it's gui and playlist capability were klunky at best.

The usb is just to inconvenient.

Only the Iphone, Itouch and any i-tunes will work with Airplay or Atv 2 and not your regular ipods though.

Instead of the asd-11 dock, I'll suggest paying a little more and get the apple tv, that way you get more for you money. Besides if you have Netflix account you can get 5.1 with the apple tv.

Are you not using iTunes on your computer....I can see and play every piece of music on my computer that I sync with my iPhone. No need for iphone in cradle, no ATV etc. Just hook your AVR to the home net...control with iPhone app if you want.

I did not think you could stream iTunes or your iPhone over your network without airplay or some other apple apparatus Can you let us know how you steam iTunes?

Here's a question I can't for the life of me figure out. I picked up a Pro-Ject Debut III and Phono-Box II. The Debut has a MM cartridge in it, and when I have a record playing I just get odd noise. Should I even bother with the preamp? I do have the player grounded to the preamp and the AVR. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong?

yes, inquiring minds would like to know...

I too cannot see my itunes library on my imac connected to my LAN through my 991 without Airtunes. If I have to pay for Airplay I might as well go for an AppleTV. Count me as another person wondering how to see iTunes with Airplay.

I have another question, how do you change the default input upon startup? I have it set so I can get picture and sound on my TV with the AVR off (HDMI connection). After both the TV has been turned off, if I turn it back on it says "No Signal". I then turn on the AVR and it has defaulted to TV input rather than Sat/Cab that it was on when placed into standby. Is there a setting to change to make it stay at the last input?

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yup, i'm really curious, since i've been streaming from itunes for years via ax/atv (and more recently, bought the airplay upgrade just to try it on my av7005)... i'd like to think i'm pretty up on "apple stuff" (being an apple nerd ), but possibly i've missed something somewhere along the way...

dunno on the default...

Is the Debut III plugged in to the "Phono" input? If you do use the Phono-Box II, ensure you plug it into a regular analog input.

Well duh, that makes total sense. I had the Phono-Box plugged into the Phono input. Should I have to worry about the Phono-Box being grounded to the 3311? Or is the player grounded into the Phono-Box just fine?

Sorry, I believe its because Ive got all my music in itunes as mp3. I bring over tunes from Napster that I buy as mp3 but manage in itunes. And I converted some of the apple tunes to mp3 etc. So they are all just mp3 and not the DRM Apple stuff. I pay extra to get mp3 or get stuff from Napster as mp3.

I guess you are right the Apple DRM stuff wont work over the net. I change all the DRM stuff to mp3 or dont buy it.

You would be surprised how many folks said the same thing only to realize that although they "thought" they placed the jacks into the correct input, when they physically checked, it was one set of inputs off .. which is why I ask that you physically check that is the case. And no, AFAIK there should be no reason to ground the Phono Box to the AVR as long as the player is grounded to it.

i have virtually no drm stuff... almost all my stuff is ripped from shiny disks...

and i still don't understand how you are streaming directly from itunes over the network to the avr, without some type of client somewhere?

Maybe Im using the wrong term...I go to the Network and I can see my computer files and I navigate through the files to the file with the music in it. And all the songs in that file show up on the gui. I scroll through the songs and pick one to play.

iMediaShare installed on iPhone streams iTunes library to 3311

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which would be an installed client...

I just installed Denon's new version of its iPod app. The app is really coming along nicely. An interesting note is they said thst a new firmware is due out in mid june to allow for character searching through the app. Its nice to see a company continue to support their products so vigorously by adding new and exciting features!!!

Thanks for the moment of clarity, I'm now enjoying this the correct way. Record players are the one thing I've come to realize I've never hooked up before.

Thanks again for the smack upside my head. I don't really get how you could plug the rca's into the wrong input, it's right next to the ground, but then again, I'm sure it's an easy mistake.

Try these settings;

Manual Setup/HDMI Setup

HDMI Audio Out - AMP
HDMI Control - On
Standby Source - Last
Power Off Control - All

This is happening because you have HDMI-CEC (Anynet+) on your TV set to ON. If you are not using the ARC feature on your 3D TV then set it to OFF.

Hey guys,

I'm strongly considering purchasing this receiver for my home entertainment needs. I currently have zero AV equipment other than a very old receiver and no speakers.

My main interest in this is for the Airplay streaming upgrade from an outdoor speaker setup. My plan is to add ~6 outdoor (Polk Atrium) speakers using the 3 zones on the receiver which would sit in the cabinet of my main family room Pioneer plasma. Eventually I'm going to move the Pioneer to the wall and take 5 of the 7 channels back for some 5.1 action and then run an amplifier into the receiver with a speaker selector for the outdoor stuff. Hopefully that sounds reasonable? I was primarily interested in this for the flexibility.

I'm a little bit confused about the networking aspect, which gets to my question. I have a very old home which I've managed to piece together with homeplugs since my office computer did not contain coax access. Can I connect the Denon to another homeplug for the Airplay features (since it would technically be on the same network) or does it require a hardline to the router? I suppose that I can move the router into the AV cabinet but then I would have to split my cable signal between the TV and the cable modem. Not sure if I'll start running into problems with signal at that point.

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A hard wired connection to the router is always the most reliable; however, the homeplug option should also work for you. A few things to note ... there are only 2 channels that can be used to power Zones 2/3 so you get either stereo Zone 2, stereo Zone 3, or mono Zones 2/3. You can add an external amp to send stereo to Zone 3 and let the AVR power Zone 2. Also, the 3311 Airplay upgrade costs $50 which is limited to "audio" only and to playing Airplay audio in all zones at the same time (ie. you cannot select just Zones 2/3 for Airplay and have some other audio playing in your main zone). A better option is to buy an Apple TV 2 for $99 which can then be used with any multi zone AVR and not only can stream audio AND video, but can also play independently to Zones 2/3 with another source playing to the main zone. With an impedance matching speaker selector you could also just use a lower Denon model with only 2 zones. The newer XX12 models now have networking moved down to the 1912. Check out the new model features by reviewing the first few posts in the Denon AVR-XX12 Owner's thread (click on link in my sig).

Well the reasons for me looking at the 3311 are:

- I live next to the Crutchfield outlet and am getting a pretty good deal on the 11. (No pricing info, I know, but it would only cost me about the same as a 2312)
- Unless I missed something, I couldn't find a model below the 3311 with the ability to add an external amplifier. This is somewhat important to my expansion ideas since I'm thinking eventually outdoor TV and potentially expanding the speaker.
- This is a slow expansion, but I can always add the Apple TV a few years down the road when I actually need to separate all of the zones, right? Thanks a lot for the info about zone separation.

Also I thought I read on the Denon blog that Airplay will initially hijack all 3 zones, but you can then turn off zone 1 via the Denon app. Or maybe I'm misinterpreting this and you're saying that I can't input another source when airplay is working, which makes sense.

Crutchfield isn't really known for good discounts so hopefully you mean the same price as a discounted 2312 and not MSRP 2312 as the 3311 has been selling at that price by several of the on line authorized resellers since last June 2010 when it was first released. You are correct though in that the 3311 is the lowest level model that has a full set of preouts. If you're talking about Zone 2 preouts though, that starts with the 1911 from last year and 2112 from this year's line. And yes you can turn off the main zone, I was simply indicating that there could be no other source playing in the main zone.