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AMD CPU Equivalent to Intel i3 530?

post #1 of 25
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I am building an HTPC and was really interested in the i3 CPU because of the speed, integrated graphics, lower power consumption, and the ability to do True-HD audio all on the chip. Trying to keep it simple without additional Graphics/Audio Card. 1080p, Blu-ray, encoding, light gaming.

Been reading the "Building HTPC" thread and info is a bit dated.

Has AMD released an equivalent chip to the Intel i3 with integrated graphics and True-HD audio yet.

Just curious, as the i3 is a bit more than I want to spend, and I know AMds are usually a bit more bang for the buck.

I have been watching i3 mobo combo deals (such as Fry's) but seems to have missed all the great deals from a few weeks back, and am getting to the point where I don't want to wait anymore
post #2 of 25
No, none yet.
post #3 of 25
I'm hoping AMD releases an HD 5000 based IGP for their next chipset, but I haven't read anything about their future boards.
I can only assume that would be the next logical step for them.
I too am patiently waiting, but I have a Geforce 8200 board right now that gets the job done pretty well, so I can wait a little more.

CFC
post #4 of 25
imo, a htpc based on i3 really only makes sense if you want a small pc. If you can afford the space for a half height gfx card, you could build a htpc with a rigor cpu and an ati 5450 gfx card for less than an i3 system.

The 5450 handles bitstreaming and has more overall gfx capability than the integrated i3 does.

-Suntan
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

imo, a htpc based on i3 really only makes sense if you want a small pc. If you can afford the space for a half height gfx card, you could build a htpc with a rigor cpu and an ati 5450 gfx card for less than an i3 system.

The 5450 handles bitstreaming and has more overall gfx capability than the integrated i3 does.

-Suntan

Since it is going to be a 24/7 HTPC in my family room I was trying to come up with a low power/low noise solution. Originally was looking at the Intel Atom options with integrated GPU(Ion), but they seem a bit limited at this moment so I was trying to build something a step up from that, but not a full blown PC.

If I went the HD5450 card route, what would be a lower wattage AMD CPU that would give me comparable performance to an i3(Athlon II X3?)

HD5450 - How would it do with light gaming(Can you give me some reference games that would play well) - I wasn't planning on gaming on it, but it would be nice to have the capability if i even found the time/interest.
post #6 of 25
The HD 5450 can't really handle many of the newer games, you might want to look more at a HD 5570 (about $25 more) for light gaming.

You could get a AMD CPU and underclock it to keep wattage low. I went with a Phenom II x2 555 Black Edition (3.2 GHz, 80w) and will be putting the multiplier at 13x for 2.6 GHz when the memory arrives.
post #7 of 25
I use the Passmark lists to compare relative performance of cpu's:

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
post #8 of 25
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thanks for the link.
post #9 of 25
If you're not going to game on it the graphics in the i3 are way more then enough for full 1080p and Bluray (heck, graphics cards from years ago are plenty for that).
post #10 of 25
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Originally Posted by Guitar1969 View Post

Just curious, as the i3 is a bit more than I want to spend, and I know AMds are usually a bit more bang for the buck.

Other folks answered the AMD equivalent question, but I'll chime in on upgrade path. I got the cheapest core i3 530 + decent core mobo when I had to replace my mobo a few months back. I could have gotten another mobo that would fit my e4300 C2D, but my graphics card was weak for BD (rig was 3 years old) so I decided to just upgrade... thinking I could upgrade to a core i5/i7 in a few years if I needed it. I dopubt I'll need it... the i3 is pretty capable.

Something to consider.

-T
post #11 of 25
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Originally Posted by T-Bone View Post

Other folks answered the AMD equivalent question, but I'll chime in on upgrade path. I got the cheapest core i3 530 + decent core mobo when I had to replace my mobo a few months back. I could have gotten another mobo that would fit my e4300 C2D, but my graphics card was weak for BD (rig was 3 years old) so I decided to just upgrade... thinking I could upgrade to a core i5/i7 in a few years if I needed it. I dopubt I'll need it... the i3 is pretty capable.

Something to consider.

-T

I agree - I am pretty well set on getting the i3 530 at this point- Just got to get the right deal at Fry's - Like the $100 i3 plus mobo they had a few weeks back.
post #12 of 25
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I agree - I am pretty well set on getting the i3 530 at this point- Just got to get the right deal at Fry's - Like the $100 i3 plus mobo they had a few weeks back.

The i350 is only $115 at NewEgg.
$100 for the ASUS P7H55 and you're all set.

NewEgg, the only way to shop.
post #13 of 25
Although this article is claiming AMD Fusion will debut in 2011, IIRC, I heard somewhere that they're trying to move that up to the end of this year.

Computex: AMD demos low power Fusion APU, announces Fusion Fund


What I'd like to see is a on-die GPU that concentrates on video performance (especially deinterlacing, scaling and playing at the right f-ing frame rates (Intel are you listening??) with just enough 3D performance to handle desktop effects. And then be able to add a discrete GPU card that concentrates purely on gaming performance and works with the on-die GPU via a SLI/Crossfire type connection.
post #14 of 25
AMD is not always more bang for the buck. You need to chart bang for the buck at various price points.

i5 750 actually has the highest bang for the buck mathematically speaking (according to one review I read - they charted all the processors).

But then again you have to spend more bucks to hit that..also do you want to factor in overclocking and such? What about chipset costs?

I personally like a discrete graphics card - because well you can change them and ATI's ones can be both quiet and fairly low watt with the HDMI bit working fine for me anyway..

Plus after going quad core on the desktop it just seems so much smoother and nicer. I couldn't waste two cores on mediocre graphics.
post #15 of 25
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AMD is not always more bang for the buck. You need to chart bang for the buck at various price points.

i5 750 actually has the highest bang for the buck mathematically speaking (according to one review I read - they charted all the processors).

Odd... I thought we were talking about HTPCs here. None of this applies to HTPCs. I challenge anyone to configure an i(anything) that can DVR TV and rip/playback DVDs or Blurays "better" than a simple AMD setup.

Of course if a person wants to play video games on it, that is a completely different set of requirements, but there too, an i3 w/ integrated gfx is going to leave a person feeling a little unsatisfied.

-Suntan
post #16 of 25
My Celeron E3200 on a G45 mobo handles DVR TV and BD playback just fine. I don't get HD bitstreaming, but I get 8-channel LPCM, so I'm not losing anything.

If I built one now, I'd probably get an i3. If I didn't need the TV piece, I'd get the new Zotac ION board with no hesitation. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-027-_-Product
post #17 of 25
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

My Celeron E3200 on a G45 mobo handles DVR TV and BD playback just fine. I don't get HD bitstreaming, but I get 8-channel LPCM, so I'm not losing anything.

If I built one now, I'd probably get an i3. If I didn't need the TV piece, I'd get the new Zotac ION board with no hesitation. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-027-_-Product

Those Ion setups are interesting, but seem to choke on flash still and struggler with 1080p, which I feel still needs to be part of the HTPC capabilities.
post #18 of 25
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Those Ion setups are interesting, but seem to choke on flash still and struggler with 1080p, which I feel still needs to be part of the HTPC capabilities.

True, but as long as the Flash player can use DXVA, it will be fine. I think Hulu is the only major player left without it. Other 1080p sources should pose no problems, since they're all handled by the video chip.
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by H8nXTC View Post

No, none yet.

Yes and no, their really isn't true integration until sandybridge or fusion. But, I would say core i3 is probably the best current setup.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Suntan View Post

Odd... I thought we were talking about HTPCs here. None of this applies to HTPCs. I challenge anyone to configure an i(anything) that can DVR TV and rip/playback DVDs or Blurays "better" than a simple AMD setup.
-Suntan

I agree with the above. But the core series CPUs come in handy if one want to encode BD rips (e.g. from 1080p to 720p) in short periods of time.

-T
post #21 of 25
@ the TS. Be careful with those combo deals from Frys. I was eyeing the i3 combo but the mobo they had had a major issue. I think you couldn't install the tool that it needs for edid.

Sorry I'm being so vague but it totally killed it for htpc use for me. I was very glad I read the review before I bought it. The mobos frys normally gives with there combos are junky ones that they cant sell, just an fyi.
post #22 of 25
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@ the TS. Be careful with those combo deals from Frys. I was eyeing the i3 combo but the mobo they had had a major issue. I think you couldn't install the tool that it needs for edid.

Sorry I'm being so vague but it totally killed it for htpc use for me. I was very glad I read the review before I bought it. The mobos frys normally gives with there combos are junky ones that they cant sell, just an fyi.

If it is one of the Biostar motherboards and there is a receiver in the chain
caution should be exercised.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1248875

More info from another thread. Asrock should be added to the watch list

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1243832
post #23 of 25
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Originally Posted by whiteboy714 View Post

@ the TS. Be careful with those combo deals from Frys. I was eyeing the i3 combo but the mobo they had had a major issue. I think you couldn't install the tool that it needs for edid.

Sorry I'm being so vague but it totally killed it for htpc use for me. I was very glad I read the review before I bought it. The mobos frys normally gives with there combos are junky ones that they cant sell, just an fyi.

Yeah, there are a lot of bad boards out there. My most recent purchase was an Intel DH55HC mobo @ $100. What a joy to read a manual that did not contain broken English

-T
post #24 of 25
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post

True, but as long as the Flash player can use DXVA, it will be fine. I think Hulu is the only major player left without it. Other 1080p sources should pose no problems, since they're all handled by the video chip.

Actually there are many people still having problems with Flash with the Intel Atom and Ion, even with the latest Flash release that is supposed to be more Ion friendly. So much so that everybody is wating for the Ion 2, which is due out later this year.

But the benefit is they are very low wattage, which is perfect for HTPC.
post #25 of 25
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I ended up picking up an AMD II X4 635 2.9ghz Quad Core CPU with Asus M4A785T-M/CSM board as a combo deal at Fry's for $100 AR(with the tax). Price was too good to pass up.The board seems to be pretty good(good reviews) has HD4200 onboard graphics. It is actually quite a bit more powerful than the i3 CPU according to the benchmarks previously posted, but my only concern comparing it to the i3 is it runs 95W so it will use more power - I might underclock it a bit since it is more than I need for my HTPC right now.

I know the GPU is not optimal - Can't do TrueHD audio, but I figure I could slap a card in there down the road if I need t.

I figured it was a good deal, so I grabbed one, and I can also see if Fry's puts a i3 combo deal on this weekend(with what board), and always return it if needed(Although i hate returning to Fry's)

Now I just need to find a killer deal on some DDR3 1600 ram.
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