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post #301 of 1242
LOL, I think Hughman nailed it on the head!

AM, I was just kidding with ya.

Seriously though, looking forward to when you do start on it.
post #302 of 1242
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I figured you probably were joking, but sometimes it is hard to tell over the interwebs...
post #303 of 1242
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

I figured you probably were joking, but sometimes it is hard to tell over the interwebs...

I thought about putting the wink smiley at the end, but it was better to keep everyone guessing! LOL.
post #304 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Hughman View Post

In light of recent posts I think the rotary sub may be referring to a submarine sandwich, something like this perhaps.

Nice! Oh by the way, I may have to use that idea for my first get together with the rotary sub operational. That way, I wouldn't have to explain to the wives what a rotary sub is. I could just point to the subs laid out on the lazy susan.

JapanDave: Yes, that kept me guessing, but now I know about you and I will be watching out for you.

It looks like I will be scrapping the idea of putting radiant heat in for the first floor. There must be a gap or a non conductive layer between the subfloor/floor/tile because the floor is not getting warm. I used a similar system for the attic, but was only going through a single layer of 5/8" bamboo. That works great.

The good news is that I don't have to do all that work. We have been living with the kitchen with no heat for a few years. It is no big deal really. We put some rugs down in the winter to keep our feet warm. I can think about putting a radiator in the kitchen in the future when I want to improve the kitchen. Maybe it is not a suprise to you that I have some crazy stuff planned for it?

So, the next jobs are small and in preparation for the framing. I have to finish sealing up the foam on the walls, hang the pipes properly/permanently, seal up a couple of pipes, clean/organize (!) and probably a couple other things. It shouldn't take me too long. The cleaning/organizing is the only thing I'm not looking forward to.
post #305 of 1242
Thanks for the pics of your pizza makin setup, i can smell the pizza cooking from here.

Gratz on getting your temporary walls out without your house collapsing...its always a bonus when you finish a reno job and things are better than when you started

Thats too bad about the radiant heat not working. My guess like you said...too many layers...probably plywood/osb, then possibly cement board, then tile...tough to get the heat through all that.

You could always rip up the floor in your kitchen and put electric heat in......of course...then you need a new floor then too.........I hear right when you are having a baby is the BEST time to start a kitchen reno...Thats just what I've been told though...

I cant believe you aren't looking forward to the cleaning/organizing phase! Thats always my favorite part...everything is all clean and organized afterwords Its like breathing a big sigh of relief. Lol, im a messy builder, so every now and then i have to just stop and get everything back in place so i can think. I cant stand working on a project and taking as much time looking for tools and supplies as it takes to actually DO the project lol.
post #306 of 1242
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PT: Glad to help. Let me know when you try your hand at pizza making.

I put a support in the center of the span of the beam and was checking for sag after every two temp wall supports I took out. It was only with this continual reassurance that I was able to remove everything!

I am considering electric radiant heat for the kitchen. When we do our improvements, I will be installing new tile. This will be started after we know what baby life is all about. I will also consider some sort of hot water radiator for heat as it will be slightly less expensive than electric.
post #307 of 1242
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Organizing would be more fun if I had less things. I have all kinds of crazy stuff. My wife LOVES to organize so I may try to get her down in the basement to help.

Don't get me wrong, I like it when it is organized....I just don't like getting it there when it seems overwhelming.
post #308 of 1242
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PT: Glad to help. Let me know when you try your hand at pizza making.

I put a support in the center of the span of the beam and was checking for sag after every two temp wall supports I took out. It was only with this continual reassurance that I was able to remove everything!

I am considering electric radiant heat for the kitchen. When we do our improvements, I will be installing new tile. This will be started after we know what baby life is all about. I will also consider some sort of hot water radiator for heat as it will be slightly less expensive than electric.

When my dad re-did their downstairs bathroom he put electric heat in under the tile and its really nice. Having an easy to get to thermostat and exacting control is nice. And if I remember right it really was pretty easy to install. The biggest thing was, you cant install it under anything over a certain weight. I remember he wasnt allowed to put it where the tub was going, because with water in it the tub would have been over weight. Also you have to avoid the toilet and any tiled in showers, because of potential water leaks causing a problem.
post #309 of 1242
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Organizing would be more fun if I had less things. I have all kinds of crazy stuff. My wife LOVES to organize so I may try to get her down in the basement to help.

Don't get me wrong, I like it when it is organized....I just don't like getting it there when it seems overwhelming.

Yeah Im familiar with that problem. Having an extra set of hands makes things better/less overwhelming. The hardest part is just digging in and starting somewhere. It doesn't even particularly matter where, just getting going is the hard part...the rest just kind of falls in place.
post #310 of 1242
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The radiant heat in the attic is really nice too. I wanted a warm first floor as it would have been nicer for guests. Right now the first and second floors are on one thermostat/circuit. There is no easy way to split them up into separate zones.

The electric radiant heat is much more expensive, but should be easier to do. It is the only way to get radiant under the tile.
post #311 of 1242
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I did some organizing early this am before work. It is amazing how much dust/dirt I have removed from the basement already. I don't really know where it all came from!
post #312 of 1242
Looking good so far!

I'm eager to see how the rest of the build turns out, but I have one concern. People experiment with various different builds around here and if things go wrong usually the worst that happens is a blown driver or maybe a blown amp. I am "nervous" for you with the testing you will have to do with your rotary build. I'm not saying don't do it, but that's a lot of inertia you're going to be messing with.

I guess what I'm trying to say is we all look forward to your build, but be careful.


dbl
post #313 of 1242
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dbl: I hear ya. I am not going to be running the rotary for the first time standing in line with the blades while staring at them! I'll also be testing how securely the blades are mounted (pulling on them hard) before getting them turning. In normal use, the rotary will be in the adjacent storage/utility room connected to the HT by a large dead vent. The rotary doesn't really turn that fast at <1000RPM.

I think the issue is more with the oscillations of the blades when they hit resonant frequencies of structures in the room. Then things may get interesting. You don't know unless you try....

In any case, it has to be less dangerous than raising an 800lb beam!
post #314 of 1242
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

dbl: I hear ya. I am not going to be running the rotary for the first time standing in line with the blades while staring at them! I'll also be testing how securely the blades are mounted (pulling on them hard) before getting them turning. In normal use, the rotary will be in the adjacent storage/utility room connected to the HT by a large dead vent. The rotary doesn't really turn that fast at <1000RPM.

I think the issue is more with the oscillations of the blades when they hit resonant frequencies of structures in the room. Then things may get interesting. You don't know unless you try....

In any case, it has to be less dangerous than raising an 800lb beam!

Hmmm...you just gave me an idea...maybe...instead of sub sandwiches...you can make your rotary sub out of 800lb beams!!!
post #315 of 1242
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800lb rotary razor blades seems like a fun idea now that you mention it.

I can't believe I am so close to framing....It is making me crazy!
post #316 of 1242
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

800lb rotary razor blades seems like a fun idea now that you mention it.

I can't believe I am so close to framing....It is making me crazy!

Yeah now you are getting to the "Fun" stuff.
post #317 of 1242
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Originally Posted by AndreasMergner View Post

Beemer: Gas or charcoal grill? Do you put it directly on the grate?

I guess it all depends on what type of pizza you want to make. There are different kinds and different methods.

I've got a gas grill. I just put a little olive oil on one side of the dough and put that on the grill (on a round cookie sheet) for 2 or 3 minutes with no toppings. Then pull it off, flip it over, put the toppings on the crispy side and put it back in on the cookie sheet for another 5 minutes. After 5 minutes I remove the cookie sheet to finish it off. Only takes 10-15 minutes or so, and makes a nice crispy pizza... I'm making myself hungry.

Congrats on the beam! Looks like your house is still standing!
post #318 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Beemer533 View Post

... I'm making myself hungry.

You're not the only one...
post #319 of 1242
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Originally Posted by JapanDave View Post

The rotary sub is coming along nicely! But I don't understand how you attached the fins?

I got a laugh out of that! No offense AM

One question about the radiant; did you try any insulation below the tubes? Most under floor radiant I've seen had the tubing stapled directly to the underside of the sub floor between the joists then covered with a foil (foil facing the tube) covered foam board.

Might be worth a try if you haven't already.

Also, how long did you have it on for? The floor might have enough mass (several layers of sub flooring) where it would take a bit for all the mass to heat up enough for you to feel it...
post #320 of 1242
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Beemer: That sounds like a good method for pizzas on the grill. So, you use a pan until the dough is firm/cooked so it doesn't go through the grate, which is why I was asking you those questions. During the summer, it would make sense to try it on the grill because of the smoke and heat issues inside.

I used both reflective foil and insulation below the radiant tubing. I ran it for an hour and used an IR thermometer to check the temp of the floor. It might have heated the floor .5 degrees F to 67 degrees. That won't exactly get the room warm.

I'm making my list of things to get done before the framing.

Also have researched a little into using my Ipod Touch in combination with my HTPC and a USB IR receiver/transmitter for a remote control. I might be able to do some pretty cool effects with lighting and such. I wonder if I could control my RGB lighting with a custom written Winamp plugin?
post #321 of 1242
Andreas if I come over will you make me pizza?
post #322 of 1242
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Originally Posted by Ted White View Post

Andreas if I come over will you make me pizza?

Ha ha! Sure Ted! Give me at least a day's notice so I can start the dough.
post #323 of 1242
MMM pizza and THT's....I'm coming too!
post #324 of 1242
You can't resist the San Marzano tomatoes
post #325 of 1242
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Don't forget the rotary subs on the lazy susan! Italian? Pastrami? Eggplant parm?
post #326 of 1242
Forget about the pizza, if you could supply me with a few of the 80's Pizza Hut Italian sausage priazzos you'd be my hero forever.
post #327 of 1242
Woa, woa. We just got him to commit to Pizza. Let's not complicate things
post #328 of 1242
I've been longing for a Priazzo for almost 30 years now, best commercial/personal pie ever produced, imo. I feel I'm getting close to realizing my dream so please stay out of this or I'll use your arse as a GG dispenser.
post #329 of 1242
Thread Starter 
Ted's right. Pizzas are one thing, but *now* you are asking for more? :P

I had to look up priazzos. I've never had one so it would be difficult to duplicate!

I'm assuming this is what you are talking about: http://www.pizzamaking.com/forum/ind...?topic=1632.20

Ha ha Hughman! GG dispenser....this is getting good.
post #330 of 1242
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I'so please stay out of this or I'll use your arse as a GG dispenser.

Just the thought of that has made me back off and hope for Priazzo...
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