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post #61 of 166
10/18/10 at 11:35pm
I think I would use this in my living room if not for the way outdated netflix app.

I have one of the first blu-ray players that samsung put netflix on.. I am a bit surprised and disappointed that they haven't changed it.

Sony just released Disc-less netflix for the PS3 today and it is awesome... but even the disk based system had the ability to brows categories and search.


does samsung have any plans to update its netflix app?
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post #62 of 166
10/21/10 at 3:15pm
Just for the heck of it, I emailed Samsung Support to ask them what the differences were between the BD-C6800 and the BD-C6900 and this is is their response:

"Thank you for contacting Samsung Electronics.

With reference to your e-mail, we understand you want to know regarding the Blu-ray Players BD-C6800/6900.

The only difference between the two players is the outer look. We don't have any information regarding the
internal mechanism of the players. The two players are store specific and are manufactured according to the
requirements of the dealers.

If you require any further information, feel free to contact us.

Thank you,

Samsung Online Support."

Can you believe that!?! If they "don't have any information regarding the internal mechanism of the players" - Who Does? And, is it really true that the 6800 and the 6900 are "store specific" and "manufactured according to the requirements of the dealers"? I have read that some units are made special for dealers such as Best Buy but I thought that they changed the model number with these units.

In any event, it's news to me that the 6800 and 6900 are boutique models made for specific dealers. What do you guys think? Just another case of Samsung Support misinformation? Ignorance?

David
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post #63 of 166
10/21/10 at 10:21pm
So I just got one of these 6800's for free with a 3D TV as a package. I personally think the build quality is garbage; feels like an insignia special. It has already once had trouble reading a disc, i have audio droping on occation for brief seconds at a time. I have replaced the unit once now thinking it was defective; nope same issues with the new one. I replaced my Denon 2800 DVD player with it and there is a huge difference in quality out the box. I wish there were Marantz or Denon 3D players. Anyways I got it for free so I probably shouldn’t complain. IMHO the Panny’s seem to have a much better build quality although I haven’t experience there 3D processing so I could not comment. I would say If you buy this unit, buy an extended warranty.
This Is my two cents..
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post #64 of 166
11/8/10 at 11:00am
Coscto's price is now below $200. Same time 6900 model through BigRiver w/o tax comes to same deal.
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post #65 of 166
11/11/10 at 8:47pm
After a long haitus, I found myself with some freetime with the BD-C6800 tonight. The player started up wanting to do an update. My initial firmware ended in 1004. The new one was 1007. I thought I already had this, but am probably confusing it with the firmware on my Samsung BD-P1500

I chose the online update this time (usually opt to do it via USB thumbdrive) and it seemed to go smoothly.

Upon powering it back up, I dove into the App listing where the machine performed an additional update... the progress box seemed to indicate it was deleting a bunch of old apps and replacing them with updated ones. When THAT was completed and I was in the app listing, I THINK it actually deleted a few original apps (Mahjong Fruits) and now listed them as apps-for-purchase. Thankfully I never tinkered with the stuff so I don't miss it.

Up in the premium priority listing, I think I saw a previously unseen icon for "MLBtv". I briefly checked out the YouTube app and I'm positive it looks different than before the firmware update. I'm now in the Netflix app and it looks like they DID update it...

Previously, the BD-C6800 Netflix app would only show titles from your Instant-Play Queue. Adding more titles meant doing so through a Notebook/Desktop Netflix session.

The update now allows adding titles directly from within the Blu-Ray player's app!

Still no Hulu Plus app yet, but it's progress!
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post #66 of 166
11/12/10 at 5:00pm
Mine also updated, but the new FW is 1008.

Roku was deleted. Since it never worked properly on my unit, there's no loss. YouTube looks like it's been updated- which is a good thing. I hardly ever used it before because it was such a PITA. USA Today is also updated, The "window" that shows the news items has been enlarged. For some reason the border used to be huge and the news area was smaller- a lot of wasted space. I didn't notice MLBtv, but since I did a quick check I may have missed it.

I don't know about the other apps. I never bothered with them since I got the unit. All in all, there seems to be some improvement.


It's about time.
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post #67 of 166
11/12/10 at 8:39pm
Gee, I bought it cause it played Blue Ray disks... and Upscaled DVDs..what was I thinking
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post #68 of 166
11/12/10 at 9:22pm
If the 6800 and 6900 are the same inside, is one built better than the other? I saw some comments here about the 6800 seeming flimsy.
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post #69 of 166
11/14/10 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by rrgg View Post

If the 6800 and 6900 are the same inside, is one built better than the other? I saw some comments here about the 6800 seeming flimsy.



It is amazingly flimsy. It weighs something like 3 pounds. Mine doesn't even sit flat. It's slightly warped, but I'm using some rubber feet under it to create airflow so that's not a big problem for me.

OTOH, it sounds great and it plays every disc I've thrown at it with no problems. It also opens a second faster (from off) than my Oppo 83 and loads just as fast as the Oppo. I never compared it to the 6900 so I can't say there's a big difference in performance.
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post #70 of 166
11/21/10 at 6:51pm
Costco has it for $159.00 after a $90 instant rebate thru 12/4/10. I've had mine for a month and paid $199 and Costco freely gave me $40 cash back. Love the player. Have had no issues. Apps are Pandora, Netflix, You Tube, Vudu, Blockbuster and a few more that I cant remember. Streaming is great. No problems to report.
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post #71 of 166
11/23/10 at 10:10pm
having 6800 from Costco and it's working great except one detail which drives me crazy.
Every time I try to turn TV on it goes to wrong Input, like HDMI3 instead of HDMI2. I never had this problem before I got Samsung BD-C6800, so this problem must be related to this BD player.
Looks like my Samsung TV follows BD player regardless what TV input I use.
I swapped the cables, inputs, played with delays, still nothing.
Any idea how to fix this annoyance?
TIA
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post #72 of 166
11/24/10 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by Cube View Post
having 6800 from Costco and it's working great except one detail which drives me crazy.
Every time I try to turn TV on it goes to wrong Input, like HDMI3 instead of HDMI2. I never had this problem before I got Samsung BD-C6800, so this problem must be related to this BD player.
Looks like my Samsung TV follows BD player regardless what TV input I use.
I swapped the cables, inputs, played with delays, still nothing.
Any idea how to fix this annoyance?
TIA
Yes, I found that and turning off the Anynet+ feature on the TV seems to have sorted the problem out for me.
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post #73 of 166
11/24/10 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by Steve Zodiac View Post

Yes, I found that and turning off the Anynet+ feature on the TV seems to have sorted the problem out for me.

Actually, Anynet+ is Off on BD player. I am not sure if my Samsung TV UN55B8500 even has one. I have to double check it.
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post #74 of 166
11/24/10 at 8:21am
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Originally Posted by Cube View Post

Actually, Anynet+ is Off on BD player. I am not sure if my Samsung TV UN55B8500 even has one. I have to double check it.

If the tv has the input set to auto you may want to change that to off or manual or whatever.. it may be searching for input and finding your BP first.
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post #75 of 166
11/24/10 at 9:33am
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post
If the tv has the input set to auto you may want to change that to off or manual or whatever.. it may be searching for input and finding your BP first.
Finally I think it's solved. My Samsung TV actually has Anynet+ as well, quite hidden in the menu.
Thanks to everybody for bringing to my attention.
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post #76 of 166
11/24/10 at 9:57pm
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Originally Posted by Cube View Post

Finally I think it's solved. My Samsung TV actually has Anynet+ as well, quite hidden in the menu.
Thanks to everybody for bringing to my attention.

well, I was too quick to announce the victory - to my disbelief the problem is still there even both Samsung's Anynet+ is off!
I just went again through all menus on TV and BD player and can't see anything it could cause this.
Now I am puzzled more than ever before.....
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post #77 of 166
11/26/10 at 2:27pm
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Originally Posted by juanitar View Post

Costco has it for $159.00 after a $90 instant rebate thru 12/4/10. I've had mine for a month and paid $199 and Costco freely gave me $40 cash back. Love the player. Have had no issues. Apps are Pandora, Netflix, You Tube, Vudu, Blockbuster and a few more that I cant remember. Streaming is great. No problems to report.

I had bought the sony BX57 (S570) at costco- i loved the basic play, but it annoyed me that the usb needed to be FAT32, and it didnt seem to play divx.
I returned it and bought this (samsung c6800). Hopefully it is an upgrade.
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post #78 of 166
11/29/10 at 2:59am
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Originally Posted by juanitar View Post

Costco has it for $159.00 after a $90 instant rebate thru 12/4/10. I've had mine for a month and paid $199 and Costco freely gave me $40 cash back. Love the player. Have had no issues. Apps are Pandora, Netflix, You Tube, Vudu, Blockbuster and a few more that I cant remember. Streaming is great. No problems to report.

3 weeks ago I bought 2 Vizio VBR231's from Costco for $129, posted my impression here, http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ighlight=vizio.

However at Costco yesterday seeing this for $159 I bought one, simply for the 3D - (yea who knows about that taking off or not - that is another thread debate).
Still in box, not opened, I also bought the Sony BDP-BX57 from Costco (BDP-S570 at other stores), now have to decide between those 2...so checking each threads.
Honestly I'm very happy with the Vizio VBR231, but desire 3D for the living room (just for future proof) - which the Vizio VBR231 lacks, my basement HT has PS3 already so 3D covered there.

For our 2nd floor bedroom the combo of using same brand Vizio HDTV + Vizio Blu-ray works fine, simply 1 remote all that is needed, either remote.

The 1st floor family room though I'd like 3D proof Blu-ray player, and this seems like decent way to achieve that.
The whole DVD upscaling issue debate I read here, why is that a issue again?
Don't 95% of people who have a HDTV and 5.1 sound also have A/V that upscales?

if this is the only slight negative then I'm leaning towards this Samsung BD-C6800 over the Sony BDP-BX57/S570, my A/V has decent upscaler chip in it.

Can someone post a screen shot of the apps from the Samsung BD-C6800?
I'd like to see how those look onscreen.

I did in my vizio post like below and a pict is worth many words.
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These are the Vizio VBR231 apps, like to compare to Samsung BD-C6800 apps for reference
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post #79 of 166
12/2/10 at 10:05am
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Well you guys, I've owned both the 6800 and now have the 6900 and there are a few subtle differences.
The second thing I noticed right off the bat was the 6900 was alot faster and more responsive browsing through the menus and loading the Internet@TV extras like Netflix and Pandora. The 6800 took on average about 20 seconds longer to load Netflix for me and I was running them off the exact same wireless network and had them located on the exact same spot on my TV stand. It also has a more detailed on-screen display for Pandora that shows album art and a few other quirks.
The 6800 also does not have HULU Plus. . If anybody has anymore questions I can gladly answer them....

I picked up the 6800 from Costco yesterday. It was hard to pass up the $90 off coupon even though I don't need the 3D.

Does the 6900 plays most MKV, VOB, MP4? My 6800 stutter on most 1080p uncompressed blue ray rip .MKV files. It won't even see the .VOB files on my NTFS hard drive. It will play 1080 mp4 slideshow that I created using Vegas and Premiere. It also won't recognized my WD Fat32 hard disk.

Anybody else tried playing MKV, VOB, and MP4 from their hard drive and been successful? Maybe I need to exchange my unit but the Wifi on it is flawless. I used it to update the firmware and software from the get go and it works great. I then moved it upstair away from the router and still get 2.5 mbps so Netflix HD works great too. And of course it has the full search capability.

DVD upconversion is just so so. I compared it to my old Panasonic DVD player with component out. I might have to get the 6900 since I have lots of DVDs from the past 11 years. But I swear, Netflix in HD just obsolete most of my DVDs collection. The sound may not be as good as DVD but some of the HD stuff are sharper than my DVDs.

I also own the UN55C6400 Samsung in our living room and it plays everything on the hard drive from MP4, MKV, VOB, WMV, AVI( it won't play uncompressed AVI for some reason). I was expecting the same thing from Samsung BD player but obviously, the TV handles more codec and does so with out stuttering.
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post #80 of 166
12/4/10 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post
It is amazingly flimsy. It weighs something like 3 pounds. Mine doesn't even sit flat. It's slightly warped, but I'm using some rubber feet under it to create airflow so that's not a big problem for me.

OTOH, it sounds great and it plays every disc I've thrown at it with no problems. It also opens a second faster (from off) than my Oppo 83 and loads just as fast as the Oppo. I never compared it to the 6900 so I can't say there's a big difference in performance.
How is the quality of the 6800 upscaling/upconvert when compare to the Oppo 83?
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post #81 of 166
12/5/10 at 4:11pm
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Originally Posted by aquaholik View Post

How is the quality of the 6800 upscaling/upconvert when compare to the Oppo 83?



It's not bad but it's weird, some things look fantastic and some things look like the upconvert is nothing special. So I'm having some trouble making a definitive statement till I watch some more. Problem is, I have it in the same rack as the Toshiba XA2, which is the gold standard in upconverters.

Compared to the Oppo- the Oppo is consistently better. And the Oppo is definitely built better.
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post #82 of 166
12/5/10 at 4:14pm
Actually, Amazon has the Samsung BD-C6800 1080p 3D Blu-ray Disc Player, it costs $201.00 with free shipping.
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post #83 of 166
12/6/10 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

It's not bad but it's weird, some things look fantastic and some things look like the upconvert is nothing special. So I'm having some trouble making a definitive statement till I watch some more. Problem is, I have it in the same rack as the Toshiba XA2, which is the gold standard in upconverters.

Compared to the Oppo- the Oppo is consistently better. And the Oppo is definitely built better.

Can you test some MKV files on a hard drive with DTS track with the front USB port? The audio is garbled up but it will play MKV files with AC-3 track just fine. These are high bitrate blue ray remux MKV files where the original high bit rate is retained. The 6900 doesn't have a problem with DTS track off the front USB port. Other than that minor annoyance and renaming .vob to .mpg files, everything works fine. No Wifi issue and turning off the Anynet+ feature got rid of the sometime long loading time since it can't seem to handshake with my Samsung TV sometime.
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post #84 of 166
12/6/10 at 2:43pm
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Originally Posted by ti-triodes View Post

It's not bad but it's weird, some things look fantastic and some things look like the upconvert is nothing special. So I'm having some trouble making a definitive statement till I watch some more. Problem is, I have it in the same rack as the Toshiba XA2, which is the gold standard in upconverters.

Compared to the Oppo- the Oppo is consistently better. And the Oppo is definitely built better.

The Samsung UN55C6400 does a heck of a job of upscaling most SD material. Watching standard DVD via BD Wise where the Samsun BD 6800 does not upconvert the DVD, LOTR series was much better than expected. I thought standard DVDs would look horrible on 1920x1080 display. It looks horrible on my 25 inch Samsung 1080p monitor that I use at work. The picture on the 55 inch Samsung LED is flat out much better than the 25 inch Samsung monitor, EVEN standing 2 feet from both TVs!

I then turn off BD wise and the BD 6800 upconvert the DVD to 1920x1080@60hz. Again, I think my Samsung UN55C6400 just took over the picture processing. There was no difference what so ever. This is more of a testament to the TV's superb ability to make most source looks very good. Either that or the BD 6800 use the same scaling and deinterlacing that their TV does. But I doubt this last statement since the upscale output looks pretty bad on my old 720p LCD TV.
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post #85 of 166
12/12/10 at 12:16pm
Here's a snapshot of Samsung BD-C6900, posted by a member at PlayOn forums.
playon.tv/sites/default/files/Apps.png

Samsung BD-C6800 is very similar except that it doesn't have hulu plus, MLB tv and SPS tv. It will probably be pushed in as part of a future firmware upgrade.
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post #86 of 166
12/12/10 at 12:32pm
mtbdudex,

I just posted a link to a snapshot of Samsung BD-C6800. I'm also trying to compare Sony BDP-BX57 and Samsung BD-C6800.

Samsung BD-C6800 has a better netflix interface (it's similar to Sony PS3 interface)
a) It allows you to search and add movies to the instant queue from the player itself.
No need to use a PC or laptop for this. Sony BDP-BX57 doesn't have this feature.
It only shows the instant queue.
b) While fast forwarding a netflix movie that's playing, it shows a thumbnail of where you are. This means you would know exactly where to stop while forwarding a movie.
Sony BDP-BX57 doesn't have this feature either. So, if you fast forward, you have no way of knowing where you are in the movie. So, it takes more than a couple of iterations to get the point where you want to be. Very annoying from my experience.

Samsung BD-C6800 also has a better youtube interface.
It recommends suggestions while trying to search for the videos you want to see. This feature is very helpful since typing in the whole word using the remote is painful.

But, I also found some issues with Samsung compared to Sony. I intend to use my blu-ray player with PlayOn (playon.tv). This is important to me since I would like to watch some of the channels available on PlayOn. PlayOn also support third party plug-ins for other channels that's not officially supported. Sony BDP-BX57 has so far worked great with PlayOn. But, Samsung BD-C6800 has issues with most of PlayOn channels. I'm not sure if it's a player specific issue, but I would like to think so, since Sony seems to work fine under the same circumstances. Samsung consistently gives me one of the following errors when trying PlayOn channels.
"Request cannot be completed. Media will return to the main screen."
"Not supported file format."

If I could get Samsung to work with PlayOn, I would choose Samsung because of it's superior netflix and youtube interface. Else, I' ll stick with Sony and hope they will do a
firmware update in future to make the netflix/youtube interface better.
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post #87 of 166
12/12/10 at 7:38pm
Did this player ever get the Hulu app?
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post #88 of 166
12/29/10 at 9:44am
I have two questions that I cannot seem to find any answers for...

1. On the Samsung BD-C6800, is it possible to set individual channel levels for the 7.1 analog outputs?

2. Is there any difference, or, what are the differences in streaming services between Samsung TV's and Samsung Bluray players. (I have a PN63C7000 & BD-C6800)

Thanks.
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post #89 of 166
1/3/11 at 10:18pm
I just picked up this BD-C6800 at Costco last weekend for $199.

So far I like it. Bluray disc load time seems quick enough. Much faster than my previous Sony BDP-BX1. Of course, I only tested 3 discs so far but they were quick. The old Sony took forever. This new C6800 is making me happy so far, like a little clam in the ocean with the perfect weather and perfect tide conditions, and a bottle of Heineken. The only way it could be better is with a $10,000 a night hooker (and the club sandwich):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJmKLzmPMso

Anyone know if they will add web browsing to this player? If not, why not? Seems like it would be so easy for them to do, then we could browse on our TV's easier.

I'm planning on testing out the Netflix\\Youtube\\Pandora functionality this weekend using a Netgear powerline adapter. I hope I won't be disapointed.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-329-_-Product

I'll post the results.

I sure wish they would add Rhapsody and web browsing though, that would be great. I wonder what is taking bluray players so long to add web browsing, everyone wants it.
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post #90 of 166
1/4/11 at 8:27am
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Originally Posted by vegtrip View Post

mtbdudex,

I just posted a link to a snapshot of Samsung BD-C6800. I'm also trying to compare Sony BDP-BX57 and Samsung BD-C6800.

Samsung BD-C6800 has a better netflix interface (it's similar to Sony PS3 interface)
a) It allows you to search and add movies to the instant queue from the player itself.
No need to use a PC or laptop for this. Sony BDP-BX57 doesn't have this feature.
It only shows the instant queue.
b) While fast forwarding a netflix movie that's playing, it shows a thumbnail of where you are. This means you would know exactly where to stop while forwarding a movie.
Sony BDP-BX57 doesn't have this feature either. So, if you fast forward, you have no way of knowing where you are in the movie. So, it takes more than a couple of iterations to get the point where you want to be. Very annoying from my experience.

Samsung BD-C6800 also has a better youtube interface.
It recommends suggestions while trying to search for the videos you want to see. This feature is very helpful since typing in the whole word using the remote is painful.

But, I also found some issues with Samsung compared to Sony. I intend to use my blu-ray player with PlayOn (playon.tv). This is important to me since I would like to watch some of the channels available on PlayOn. PlayOn also support third party plug-ins for other channels that's not officially supported. Sony BDP-BX57 has so far worked great with PlayOn. But, Samsung BD-C6800 has issues with most of PlayOn channels. I'm not sure if it's a player specific issue, but I would like to think so, since Sony seems to work fine under the same circumstances. Samsung consistently gives me one of the following errors when trying PlayOn channels.
"Request cannot be completed. Media will return to the main screen."
"Not supported file format."

If I could get Samsung to work with PlayOn, I would choose Samsung because of it's superior netflix and youtube interface. Else, I' ll stick with Sony and hope they will do a
firmware update in future to make the netflix/youtube interface better.

I'm a bit confused since I'm reading all these reviews on Amazon about the BD-C6800 that state that the netflix interface is limited to just your instant que. As quoted above it seems that may not be the case but I'm just trying to make sure.

Here are some of the other points that some reviews mentioned that concern me about this player:

It doesn't:
1. Remember where the disc left off so that when you come back, it starts playing it from that spot. It always starts from the beginning and I find that hugely annoying especially if I've only been away for a short while.
2. There is a problem with the netflix app how do u know witch movies are high Def and witch aren't
3. The user's guide lists all the great features of the player but in small print says, "Depending on the disc, it may not ." Also frustrating.
4. The netflix is the biggest disappointment on the player. While I can work with the limited interface, the functionality is still marginal. As someone else mentioned, the player only offers access to the 'instant que', you can't add movies or shows directly from the Blu-Ray player itself.
5. DVD load time is slow if you play a lot of Blu Rays.
6. Firmware still has some glitches.

I'm looking for a BD player with a great Netflix interface, Excellent picture quality and upscaling of the dvd's. I currently have a panasonic G25 54" Plasma display that has Netflix already built in but I can't search for all the available movies and add to the instant cue without going to the desktop PC to do so. Otherwise Netflix works great right from the Panny.

The C6800 so far seems to be the best bang for the buck that I can find right now I'm just looking for some clarification of some of the points the reviewers on Amazon made.
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