Has anybody tried the Sony 3D Blu Ray players? (BDP-S570 and BDP-BX57)

Originally Posted by Anthony1

Your logic is flawed. Ok, first of all, if Sony isn't go to push the firmware thru because of a lack of content, then why did they push it thru already for their "3D Ready" standalone Blu Ray players?

Sony has already released Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs, so anybody that buys one of their "3D Ready" Blu Ray players, can hook their player up to the internet, get the firmware upgrade, and start watching Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs in 3D. It doesn't make any logical sense for them to not push the firmware to the PS3 as well, unless.... unless.... they are hoping to force the desperate to run out and buy one of their 3D ready standalones, which is something that I'm likely to do in the very near future.

If Sony was going to wait for more content to be available, then they wouldn't have already made the firmware available to their standalones.


Consider the firmware update for the 3D games on the PS3. Sony could have pushed that out as soon as the very first Samsung 2010 model 3D TV was available, which I think was in late March or something. But they didn't. Why? Because "they" didn't have any 3D TV's currently for sale. Why would they release their firmware before they could benefit from people buying "their" tv's? Of course, the second they had a 3D tv to sell to the public, then the firmware just magically appears. Gee... a conspiracy, or straight up capitalism?

Originally Posted by Anthony1

Very Funny.


Look, this isn't a Roswell conspiracy or anything like that. This is Sony doing what Sony does. Sony isn't going to do anything that doesn't specifically benefit them. Right now, they are holding back the 3D Blu Ray firmware update from the PS3 for "some" specific reason, that we aren't privy to. There are a number of possibilities as to why they are doing this.

The most logical, is that they know that idiots like myself, are too impatient to wait all the way until November to get 3D Blu Ray support. They also know, that idiots like me, who already own a "potential" 3D Blu Ray player, aren't going to run out and spend $450 on the Panasonic or $400 on the Samsung or whatever. We are going to look for the cheapest option, as a stop-gap solution, just to hold us over till November.

If this is indeed their strategy, then it's working, because it's going to get me to run out and buy one of their $169.99 or $179.99 players, just because I'm too darned impatient to wait around for November or December, for this firmware update to come down the pipe.

Their strategy might have nothing to do with what I'm suggesting, but whatever it is, they are holding it back deliberately, because it benefits them in some way. Maybe they will be releasing a certain 3DTV model, that will be bundled with a PS3 system, and some 3D Blu Ray movies, and they aren't going to push that firmware thru, until the bundle is ready to be sold? Who knows.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Anthony:

It may just be a case of the programming involved with the Cell BE in the PS3. 720x60P frame packed uses less resources than 1080x24P frame packed does.

There is no Cell BE in their 3D SAL BD players. They use an SoC.

Originally Posted by Anthony1

Very Funny.


Look, this isn't a Roswell conspiracy or anything like that. This is Sony doing what Sony does. Sony isn't going to do anything that doesn't specifically benefit them. Right now, they are holding back the 3D Blu Ray firmware update from the PS3 for "some" specific reason, that we aren't privy to. There are a number of possibilities as to why they are doing this.

The most logical, is that they know that idiots like myself, are too impatient to wait all the way until November to get 3D Blu Ray support. They also know, that idiots like me, who already own a "potential" 3D Blu Ray player, aren't going to run out and spend $450 on the Panasonic or $400 on the Samsung or whatever. We are going to look for the cheapest option, as a stop-gap solution, just to hold us over till November.

If this is indeed their strategy, then it's working, because it's going to get me to run out and buy one of their $169.99 or $179.99 players, just because I'm too darned impatient to wait around for November or December, for this firmware update to come down the pipe.

Their strategy might have nothing to do with what I'm suggesting, but whatever it is, they are holding it back deliberately, because it benefits them in some way. Maybe they will be releasing a certain 3DTV model, that will be bundled with a PS3 system, and some 3D Blu Ray movies, and they aren't going to push that firmware thru, until the bundle is ready to be sold? Who knows.

Originally Posted by Ron Jones

Actually I would suggest that the processing is similar for decoding frame packed 1080p/24 vs 720p/60. The total decoded bits per second is actually a little more for 720p/60 as compared to 1080p/24. We know that Sony already has developed the BD 1080p/24 firmware since it has been demo'ed at some Sony Style stores. At this point it appears the firmware release date is just a marketing decision. I think it will be timed to be available by the time Sony Pictures has a few Blu-ray 3D discs available at retail (their 1st title was just released). I, for one, did not pay to see in the theater any of the movies currently available on Blu-ray 3D nor would I purchase the disc (I don't care for animated features). It looks like it's still several months (actually more like 1st half of 2011) before we will start to see any significant availability of Blu-ray 3D releases in the retail distribution chain. While some people have speculated the Blu-ray 3D firmware update for the PS3 will not be released to the public until November, I suspect we could see it as early as August or Sept. by which time Sony Pictures may have a couple of additional Blu-ray 3D movies available, i.e., perhaps timed for the release of Resident Evil: Afterlife in September. In fact we may see a PS3 console bundled with a 3D movie being released around the same time.

Originally Posted by Lee Stewart

Keep in mind that you are working with AVC-MVC. Both L & R views are not on the disc. There is some interpolation going on to create the second view some of the time - about 50%.

From what we know, Sony has mentioned two other titles they will release on 3D BD; Monster House and Open Season. So that is a total of three 3D BD titles. They have already released four 3D game titles for the PS3. How many more will be released in say the next 4 months?

Sony may feel that the attraction of 3D games may be far greater to consumers than 3D movies. If you look at how both genres are performing in the marketplace, you can agree with them.

Sony wants and needs to sell 3DTVs. THAT is their main goal. It sure isn't selling sub $200 3D BD players.

Originally Posted by walford

The MVC encoded format is very processor intensive to decode and then it has to be converted to decoded to HDMI 1.4a packed frame video content for output to a 3D TV.
See the following about MVC format

http://3dvision-blog.com/tag/mpeg4-mvc/

Originally Posted by pmalter0

Sony is sending out a 3d firmware disc for my $ 169(Beach camera) s470. You can also download the firmware directly from the internet.

Originally Posted by walford

The Blu-Ray 3D spec requires that all Blu-ray 3D Disk licensed players be able to output at the HDMI 1.4a Double frame packed format and also in 2D only HD format. And all 3D TVs licensed to support HDMI !.4 formats be able accept the douible frame packed frame video format.

Originally Posted by Anthony1

Just wondering if anybody has tried these out yet. You can get them pretty darn cheap. Supposedly they are 3D ready, and they just need a firmware update and they are good to go, and I think the 3D firmware has been released. I'm thinking of trying one, but wanted to hear from somebody that actually has one of these first.

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Bumping an "old" thread and hoping for more player-specific discussion as opposed to codec conversation.


Am looking at the S470 as an upstairs/second BD player. It's close in price to the Panasonic BD65 and I'm keen on the Sony's SA-CD support which the Panasonic lacks. 3D is not crucial upstairs but the player could come downstairs and get hooked up to the Mitsu 3D display now and again until the Denon DBP-2011 arrives in supposedly January.

Do we know what 3D signal format(s) the Sonys output?



How's the player doin'? Have you watched any 3D BDs?

Originally Posted by pmalter0

Have watched a good bit of 3D--zero problems so far.

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Thanks for responding.

Just curious: When you got the player was it already updated for 3D capability outta the box, or did you do the fw upgrade via disc or 'net?

Can you talk about what 3D BDs you've spun por favor? Unless you've got an inside 'hook up,' it seems like right now--absent having gotten a particular 3D BD via a bundle with your display--the main titles available "in the wild" for purchase are Meatballs and Monster House . . .

Originally Posted by peter0328

@Paul.R.S

Every single 3D Blu-ray player except for the Panasonic players will only output Frame-Packed format.