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post #121 of 3908
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

Pure Direct only really applies to audio, as you see the video untouched anyway. If you have great speakers and a great room (acoustically), then Pure Direct can make sense. But the majority of people need some kind of digital processing to make up for the deficiencies in their system. For example, they need bass management to send low bass to the subwoofer, and EQ to compensate for the non-flat response of speakers or room.

This makes sense thanks.
post #122 of 3908
Just picked up and installed some new gear along with 667 receiver to replace an Elite VSX-35. Mounted the TV and wanted a single HDMI and the 667 seemed like a good fit. It's driving 3 XTR-50 Def Tech, 2 PM800 and i'm plugged into a SPL-1000 Velo sub.

My first impression with the 667 is overall good.

Issues/Questions:

1) I run mostly on straight/decode. I don't like DSP, but my UVERSE sends either 2/0 or 3/2/.1 signal based on the channel. I think what is happening is by running straight/decode, it will drive a 3/2/.1 direct to the speakers and if the single is 2/0, the prologic decode kicks in and plays through all speakers. Now in the surround decode, i have the option for prologic, PLII-Cin, PLII-Mus, DTS NEO:6-Cin and DTS NEO:6-Mus. Given that I am running 5.1 and no plan to move to 6 or 7.1, can someone give me an idea if I should be decoding the 2/0 signal with PL, PL-II or DTS NEO?

2) If I am running u-verse, should I be turning on compression enhancer? Is u-verse compressed?

3) Running auto setup with the Mic gets me W-1 out of phase for all three front speakers. I am sure I wired them all right. Do I need to worry or forget about it?

4) I assume on the DVD/Blu-Ray, I should set it to bitstream and not PCM, right?

Any other thoughts for running the cleanest decode?

Thx!
post #123 of 3908
Thread Starter 
1. Too complicated of a question, or rather I think I know what you mean without understanding what you said. In my experience, if you want to expand 2 channel to 5.1 use DPL II. Works well most of the time.

2. Technically speaking, all digital audio from any TV source I know of, is compressed. Compressed is generally meant for MP3s though. Try it, and if you like it, use it.

3. Sometimes YPAO is wrong. It's easy to mess up wiring though. Especially as the marked side of the cable can be hard to see. Also make sure you are consistent, so if marked is connected to black one time, always connect the marked side to black.

4. Bitstream should work fine. If you want secondary audio though, see your Blu-ray manual.
post #124 of 3908
how would the rx-v677 sound compared to the pioneer elite vsx-92txh? i will be using the emotiva xpa-3 amp for the fronts. would it be a big change in quality?
post #125 of 3908
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gregdpw View Post

how would the rx-v677 sound compared to the pioneer elite vsx-92txh? i will be using the emotiva xpa-3 amp for the fronts. would it be a big change in quality?

The 667+XPA-3 should have significantly more power than the Pioneer. Figure the XPA-3's transformer has more power handling than either of the two receivers.

In theory, the receiver only needs to drive 2 or 4 surround channels, which may be a bit easier to drive.

My guess is you can play the system as loud as you want. Let us know how it works out for you.
post #126 of 3908
I have always heard good things about yahama. At the time it was between yahama and pioneer elite. Now I need more hdmi inputs and since I have an amp power doesn't make much difference n
post #127 of 3908
Thread Starter 
From what I can tell, they both make a good product.
post #128 of 3908
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Originally Posted by MichaelJHuman View Post

3. Sometimes YPAO is wrong. It's easy to mess up wiring though. Especially as the marked side of the cable can be hard to see. Also make sure you are consistent, so if marked is connected to black one time, always connect the marked side to black.

FWIW, YPAO is checking acoustic phase, not electrical phase. Errors are common. Early reflections in the room can effect this. I've had the same speakers read or not read phase errors depending on placement and treatments. Triple check wiring then forget about it, or look for possible room issues. Some type speakers will always return phase errors.
post #129 of 3908
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rdgrimes View Post

FWIW, YPAO is checking acoustic phase, not electrical phase. Errors are common. Early reflections in the room can effect this. I've had the same speakers read or not read phase errors depending on placement and treatments. Triple check wiring then forget about it, or look for possible room issues. Some type speakers will always return phase errors.

Oh yeah. Lots of variables. They may have improved the spurious phase errors, but they are not gone.
post #130 of 3908
About a week ago I bought a Denon AVR-591. One of the problems I'm having with it is that sometimes it won't detect the Dolby Digital signal from my Xbox 360 and will only detect Stereo. I have to turn off my Xbox 360 and turn my Xbox 360 back on for it to finally detect Dolby Digital. I turn on my receiver before I turn on my Xbox 360 and also had that problem powering up the Xbox 360 and receiver in in the opposite order. There is also popping sounds when clicking on stuff in my Xbox 360 when it's in Stereo mode.

I'm don't know if I got a defective receiver. I'm thinking of either exchanging it for the same receiver or going for the Yamaha RX-V667. Does the Yamaha RX-V667 have the same problems I'm having with my receiver?
post #131 of 3908
I just received my jbl l890s to pair up with an lc2 center and l810 surrounds. I am just wondering what are the ideal settings I should use for YPAO on my receiver. Thank you.
post #132 of 3908
I exchanged the Denon AVR-591 for the Yamaha RX-V667. I still get the same audio detection problem that sometimes happens when turning on my Xbox 360. It recently displayed PCM on the receiver but my Xbox 360 is set to Dolby Digital. Resetting the audio setting in my Xbox 360 got it back to Dolby Digital. Could this be an HDMI handshake issue even if the same problem happened in 2 different receivers from different manufactures?

Also I set up my Harmony remote to turn on my TV -> receiver -> Xbox 360 for playing Xbox 360.

I might have to end up buying an optical audio cable for my Xbox 360.
post #133 of 3908
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Originally Posted by Dave3000 View Post

I exchanged the Denon AVR-591 for the Yamaha RX-V667. I still get the same audio detection problem that sometimes happens when turning on my Xbox 360. It recently displayed PCM on the receiver but my Xbox 360 is set to Dolby Digital. Resetting the audio setting in my Xbox 360 got it back to Dolby Digital. Could this be an HDMI handshake issue even if the same problem happened in 2 different receivers from different manufactures?

Also I set up my Harmony remote to turn on my TV -> receiver -> Xbox 360 for playing Xbox 360.

I might have to end up buying an optical audio cable for my Xbox 360.

Hi Dave, if a relative or freind has a Xbox 360 try swapping to test if its cause by the Xbox.
post #134 of 3908
It could be handshake, it could be the Xbox. I had it with my Jasper (2008 Elite Unit) and my WD-82xxx TV with my V663. It'd boot up and at the dashboard it'd read DPLIIx until I went into a game and the decoder would initialize. With the 667, I can turn the 360 on, then receiver and then TV and it reads correctly. So really, I haven't the slightest what it exactly is, but I've tested both of my 360 units (Valhalla and Jasper) and the issue seems to of went away.

Really, sometimes products have issues with a wide assortment of electronics. So it's hard to nail it down.
post #135 of 3908
I have the receiver and overall I'm enjoying it quite a bit.

Quick question: Is there any way to disable the on-screen display? I don't want that volume box popping up every time I adjust the volume.

Thanks!
post #136 of 3908
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Originally Posted by dema82 View Post

Is there any way to disable the on-screen display? I don't want that volume box popping up every time I adjust the volume.

This came up recently, and it seems the on-screen display can't be disabled. It really should be an option, so maybe people who care should start emailing Yamaha support and asking for this to be changed. If the new A series has the same issue, maybe enough people will complain that it'll be added in a firmware update (although I must say that Yamaha doesn't have a great track record of responding to requests for changes).
post #137 of 3908
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Originally Posted by JChin View Post

Hi Dave, if a relative or freind has a Xbox 360 try swapping to test if its cause by the Xbox.

One of my family members has an Xbox 360. He used to have a different Yamaha receiver than mine and had that problem, only when using his harmony remote. He recently bought a Pioneer receiver and doesn't have that problem anymore when using his Harmony remote.

I noticed that it only happened when using my harmony remote as well, but when I turn them on separately with receiver on first then it detects dolby digital. Also if I leave my receiver turned on but just power on and off my Xbox 360 numerous time in a row, the receiver detects Dolby Digital.

I don't have plans on returning my Yamaha receiver because other than that I'm happy with the purchase, I also found a workaround to the problem which I will discuss, and buying a different receiver might crop up a different issue.

Now about the workaround, I bought an optical audio cable and use it instead of the HDMI for the audio portion from the Xbox to the receiver. Now it detects Dobly Digital when using my Harmony remote, at least so far it does.

Weird thing is is that if I turn off my receiver while playing a blu-ray movie on my blu-ray player then turn my receiver back on, it still detects the correct audio signal with using audio through HDMI but I must have my receiver on first if I want to detect dolby digital through HDMI if using my XBOX 360.
post #138 of 3908
What Xbox 360 model do you have ? I know the early falcons had the issue where the AVR had to be on before the 360 was turned on to detect Dolby Digital.
post #139 of 3908
I have an Xbox 360 Elite (Jasper).
post #140 of 3908
Yeah, mine had the issue at times as well. I wouldn't count on it as the Harmony remote as it's more the handshake between the 360 and the AVR. I found some old threads across the gaming board world and indeed it's not necessarily hardware specific. Some people with Onkyo's, Pioneer's and other AVR's have reported the problem the same. Hell, my PS3 had issues (old BC launch unit) with sync issues with my ZX-11.
post #141 of 3908
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Originally Posted by jrlsail View Post

Just picked up and installed some new gear along with 667 receiver to replace an Elite VSX-35. Mounted the TV and wanted a single HDMI and the 667 seemed like a good fit. It's driving 3 XTR-50 Def Tech, 2 PM800 and i'm plugged into a SPL-1000 Velo sub.

My first impression with the 667 is overall good.

Issues/Questions:

1) I run mostly on straight/decode. I don't like DSP, but my UVERSE sends either 2/0 or 3/2/.1 signal based on the channel. I think what is happening is by running straight/decode, it will drive a 3/2/.1 direct to the speakers and if the single is 2/0, the prologic decode kicks in and plays through all speakers. Now in the surround decode, i have the option for prologic, PLII-Cin, PLII-Mus, DTS NEO:6-Cin and DTS NEO:6-Mus. Given that I am running 5.1 and no plan to move to 6 or 7.1, can someone give me an idea if I should be decoding the 2/0 signal with PL, PL-II or DTS NEO?

2) If I am running u-verse, should I be turning on compression enhancer? Is u-verse compressed?

3) Running auto setup with the Mic gets me W-1 out of phase for all three front speakers. I am sure I wired them all right. Do I need to worry or forget about it?

4) I assume on the DVD/Blu-Ray, I should set it to bitstream and not PCM, right?

Any other thoughts for running the cleanest decode?

Thx!

Now that I have some more time with the equipment, I'm more comfortable. The out of phase issues went away once I added furniture. the DVD is now set to bitstream and working well, the U-verse is running dolby digital and set to straight/decode (you have to choose straight, then click surround/decode so that when the sound is 5.1 it amplifies and plays and when you switch to a 2/0 channel, it will still play in 5.1 (I'm using Prologic since I have only 5.1 speakers).

The only problem is that U-verse misses bits every once in a while and the player drops audio. My pioneer elite would resync, but I didn't have an audible problem like now.

Overall - its a great box and with the latest amp upgrade (compared to 665), It was a good choice. Oh, and my Viero control works perfectly so that when I use my cable remote to chance volume, the TV sends the signal via HDMI to the yamaha.

Still need to get a blu-ray player. Probably will get a the samsung 6800 since it so cheap right now. I was going to get the yamaha BD667 to match, but i can't find it locally anywhere yet. taking recommendations - wi-fi preferred.
post #142 of 3908
just trying to set up new rx v767, and it is being very picky about hdmi. I have pc running myth and a humax freesat HDR as inputs and an Epson EH-TW3500 projector as output 1 and a simple DVI LCD screen as output 2.

If the epson is not switched on, and I try and use the humax box, the hdmi indicator on the 767 just flashes. If I then switch the epson on, it sorts itself out.

Previously when I used a matrix switcher ( 4 in 2 out ) it all worked fine, it just seems to be the switcther in the 767 that takes exception to this.

I have tried the mon.chk setting both ways.

With the 767, The humax box is locked to 1080i. When directly connected to the display, directly connected to the projector or connected to eith er via the old switchbox, it also allows a number of other output resolutions. The 767 seems to be locking the humax box to 1080i, and as a resut the humax box won't output to a non HDCP compliant device.

If I select "view on screen" when it has failed after several minutes the screen sometimes appears, but just shows ??? as the resolution.

The mythtv box has no such problems and just works.
post #143 of 3908
I am considering the RX-V667 or the denon 1911 to replace the pioneer 1020 I just got, and was wanting to know if anyone has had any issues whatsoever with their PS3's and the RX-V667. I have a fat PS3, from the CECHE01 series.

Many Thanks
post #144 of 3908
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Originally Posted by CarlosLehder View Post

I am considering the RX-V667 or the denon 1911 to replace the pioneer 1020 I just got, and was wanting to know if anyone has had any issues whatsoever with their PS3's and the RX-V667. I have a fat PS3, from the CECHE01 series.

Many Thanks

What's wrong with your Pioneer 1020?
post #145 of 3908
Thread Starter 
For anyone wondering about the 667 vs the A700, I generated the comparison. Besides the obvious Aventage stuff on the A700, the A700 says HDMI video processing. I believe all Aventage receivers have the three year warranty, so the A700 may be a slightly better buy.

They are very similar in weight and identical in cabinet size. Seems likely their power supplies are pretty similar.

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/compare/De..._items=5125335
post #146 of 3908
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Originally Posted by Dave3000 View Post

What's wrong with your Pioneer 1020?

HDMI related issues.

I was able to get the Denon 1911 for $418, which is what I had settled on, then I considered the 667, and because I was able to get it for $377 I got it instead. I still have time to change to a different receiver before the return process is complete, but as of now the exchange will be a 667.
post #147 of 3908
Quote:
Originally Posted by CarlosLehder View Post

I am considering the RX-V667 or the denon 1911 to replace the pioneer 1020 I just got, and was wanting to know if anyone has had any issues whatsoever with their PS3's and the RX-V667. I have a fat PS3, from the CECHE01 series.

Many Thanks

I have a slim PS3 and V667, no issues to speak of. Also have directv hd-23 receiver and samsung 63c8000. Only issue I have is when switching to 3d, the image comes up side by side, which is fixed by changing the 3d options on the tv itself. aside from that, i have no issues and no complaints of the 667.
post #148 of 3908
I bought my RX-V667 five days ago. Up-graded from a RX-V640. The RX-V667 is a fantasic receiver. No issues at all. My complaint is a CD-ROM manual. My computer is three rooms away from my home theater room. Prefer the paper manual to the CD. I am looking forward to exploring the surround modes.
post #149 of 3908
I have a 663 and my brother-in-law is looking for receiver recommendations after hearing my setup.

When I got my receiver, I preordered it for a fantastic price around $350. After that pre-order deal went away I did see other places occasionally offering it for that price or better.

I'm not seeing any such deals/offers related to the 667. I know price talk is verboten, but such a significant cost difference does affect the "class" of receivers he's able to consider. Any help is appreciated, could even be PM'ed!
post #150 of 3908
Velvet396 - check out the RX-V467/567 thread. Same features, but the amps are different.
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