"Official" Yamaha RX-V667/RX-V767 Thread - Page 51

Ain't that the truth. I haven't seen it mentioned yet but I really wish they had two or three more scene buttons to make life a little simpler

Cary

I'm on the short path to retirement, so I'm stocking up also. I grabbed the 867 when it was probably a mistake via eBay from buy.com for $540. I needed the inputs. The last Yamaha I owned was a motorcycle in 1980. I have no regrets, plus I have a backup Sony STR-2400ES I put back in the box because I didn't like it. All this cloud stuff makes me long for the clear blue sky of Colorado or California. But as a hobby I love it. Good luck.

Thanks Joe. And nah, I'd say you did fine at $540 for this AVR, even with any and all subjective differences considered. I've only seen a very small handful of AVRs with these features in that price range. I know a good value when I see it, but I was simply behind the curve trying to learn too much too fast to grab this deal. There will be another, and I've got lots of time . Thanks again for your input.

Joe, I replaced the 867 with my old Pioneer Elite VSX-23TXH. With that unit I can turn it up so loud I cannot take it any more and it just sounds good. The 867 falls on it's face way before that level and gets sloppy. Don't know how many times I need to post this. This tells me there is a clear difference in the amplifier section. This is a simple A to B comparison and it does not get better than that. You don't have to like the results but that is why folks come here for info.

Oh, and BTW I too have a set of Bose 901 Series VI speakers which I absolutely love. I can use them for sub output, rear or just stereo listening via a separate amp. I believe they are the best speakers that were never made for surround due to that EQ box.

Edit: OK looking at this post it seems I am saying this series has nothing to offer. Far from the truth. This is a fine line of AVRs, I was hesitant to return my 867 since it was so easy to use and sounded great but in the end it could not match up to my older Elite AVR it was to replace in the sound and power department. I simply tried the wrong Yamaha unit to upgrade to and it was not a power upgrade at all which probably doomed it from the start though I was hopeful. Still a user friendly unit, so much so I almost kept it anyway.

So yes I am back to the 23 because it powers my surround just fine and sends what i need to a separate Sony AVR that has the tape monitor function needed to use my 901s, and that is not to be dismissed lightly. The 901s can augment any surround system with the right setup, let alone sounding awesome for stereo by themselves.

All of this brings me back to my original post. The Yamaha 867 fell on its face up in the high end. For average movie watching it may be fine since the inflated wattage ratings will not tax the unit too hard, start pushing the 867 and it really signed off for me, Your mileage may vary but I am just telling you what happened up top. There is no need for me to argue this point, I saw it first hand. I wanted to keep the 867 but it fell short of my expectations. Now that does not mean this is not a good series of AVRs, just means I cannot go backwards in sound and power.

Mike thanks for the reply. I have never owned an Elite, always wanted to and maybe in a few years i will give one a try. I chose the 667 because its sound is very good. I do not need to crank through the roof, i just need it to do its job for movies at home with the wife and concerts i love to watch on blu-ray.. When the mood strikes i flip the switch to my Carver A500X and piss off everyone around me and sit back and enjoy. For mid priced AVR the RX-V667 does a nice job. Its not a Pio Elite but the Elite isnt a RX-A3000. All the major brands make some pretty decent equipment if you look and your pockets are deep enough.

Hi
I am new to this forum (but have been lurking for a wile) I just got a new adittin done on my house with one room being a home theater room ... I got a new Samsung pn58c8000 3d tv ... yamaha 667 receiver and polk speakers all the way around ... hooked it all up over the weekend did the auto speaker setup and am pretty happy with the settings right now .... My question is I have the blu-ray and directv both hooked up through the 667 via hdmi (love the sound not happy with the picture ) is this how you audio veterans would do it ????? I tryed hooking up the vidio right to the tv then audio back to 667 via optical and the directv worked great but the blu-ray will only play audio in 2 channel ... what am i doing wrong ??? I like just running the hdmi into 667 from sorce then hdmi to tv fron 667 ... I am very unhappy with my picture on the tv (posted questions about this on the pn8000 forum as far as the tv goes ) just wanting to no if I am doing things right on the receiver end of it or if i need to complain about my tv being bad???

Sorry to be dense, but you are asking too many questions at once for me. Lets address the video: the conversion of one device to another to increase resolution is ok, but I have found the originating device will send a better signal. So the BR and directTV should be set to their max output (1080p) and don't ask the AVR to help. Set the HDMI signal processing to "Through". Look back a few pages to see the sequence for that.

Not all TV sets send DD5.1 or better out their optical. I am lucky, I can get up to DD5.1 but not DTS or better. Unless you have some really old HDMI cables everything should work. Plug everything possible into the AVR. I also use my TV's optical to AV4, but only because I'm not so happy with my HD cable box and seldom watch TV in real time anyhow.

My opinion is only mine. Help from others may vary and only you can decide what to do for the best experience. Nothing is perfect, but if the AVR is not giving you a picture equal to what you had without it something is very wrong. If I set my HD DVR to send 480i to the AVR then let it convert that to 1080p it looks [not so good]. If I set the DVR to 1080i and send that to the AVR then the TV it looks great. I don't let the AVR mess with my video, but it can really make the audio wonderful.

Any terms I have used that you don't understand please ask for definition, or use Bing/Google.

As for video, your sammy should process the video better than the Yamaha so go into set up of the 667 then video and turn video processing OFF, see if that helps your picture. You will need it ON to upscale analog video though. Another video issue might be you dont like the Soap Opera effect that sammy is gonna give you out of the box. Thats going to be a setting inside the sammy that you can get to, read your manual. It will most likely be motion something. Changing that will calm it down or make it go away. Its an aquired taste, one that i dont have.
Your sammy should be ARC friendly, make sure the audio return channel is enabled in both the sammy and the 667 along with HDMI control. Your 667 will default to AV4 for sound when you access a internet feature of the TV, this will not be a digital signal. You can run optical or coax to the receiver if you want but like the other person said you may and probably wont get 5.1 out of it. The 667 can produce it as Dolby surround or Neo6, you'll have to play with it.
As for your blu ray goto Setup/audio/BD Audio Mix Settings and make sure it is off. That way your BRP will pass Dolby True HD and DTS HD through to your receiver. You can check that in the 667 OSD under setup/info/audio.
A tip, if you dont already have one and if your like me you have WAY to many remotes in front of you. Get yourself a Harmony remote. It will reduce 4 or 5 to 1 or 2. I always keep my 667 remote handy. The 667 may default to AV4 or AV something when accessing internet content through/from the TV its self and the On Screen Guide of the 667 will not come up. You will have to go back to HDMI1 or whatever on the TV to see it. If you figure a way around that please let me know. I cant with my Sony running all my compnents through the 667 out to the TV.
Hope that helps and good luck. Sorry if thats a lot of info but you asked a lot of questions
One last thing, if you use a Harmony remote and program an activety for each component you can probably leave the ARC off, but you may have a problem getting audio from net content supplied from the TV itself.

Hi everyone,

So I just hooked up my 667 to a couple of Polk M70s and a Polk CS2 center channel. I am in process of getting a few surrounds and a sub to complete the set up.

But I have run into a seriously nagging issue with the Receiver. I connect HDMI output using an HDMI cable from my Comcast cable box to the AVR's HDMI 1 input port and use the AVR's HDMI output to connect to the TV. The cable company obviously has HD and SD channels. With more SD channels than HD channels. The HD channels work fine but when I switch to an SD channel, there is a huge lag that causes a lipsync issue.

Has anyone gottena a similar problem?

BTW, I have a Sony Bravia 46 inch LCD that has a 1080p display.

Thanks in advance.

It would be logical to figure that you never had a lipsync or lag issue when the STB was connected to TV directly?

I always see a significant delays when switching content resolution with my Pace RNG110 box, unrelated to the AVR. And even with the TV tuner (Sony 32EX700) I will get lipsync delays sometimes. It always goes away when I switch channels, then back. Everything is HDMI, the cable is always 1080i even with 720p content, and the audio issue is never consistant. Not an answer, but if I find one I will let you know.

My cable box uses the HDMI5 input and I don't use CEC/HDMI control/ARC with the TV (only). The AVR has CEC on. My Pace box doesn't support CEC.

How do I enable the "pass through" HDMI function that allows me to watch my Sammy LCD TV without turning on the 667? My signal comes from my sat box to the 667 and then from the 667 to my TV all via HDMI. Sometimes I just don't need my whole sound system on when I watch tv.

Thanks for this info - Looking at Yam 667B in comparison with Onkyo TXSR608B, Denon AVR791 and poss Pioneer 1020. Seen comparison reviews on all but the Yam. How do these units compare (in a rough fashion) with the Yamaha 667B?
In Aus, our prices are about double that in US (despite $ parity) from Denon at A$788 to Pioneer & Onkyo at around A$1000.
Thanks for any input.

Page 92 of your owners manual

Really? Does your sat box have any other outputs? You could run S-Video to one of your TV inputs also. Or RWY if your TV is new and has no S-Video.

You might put a towel over the AVR so it doesn't feel ignored. That could save therapy bills in the future. [joke]

has anyone else been having audio sync issues with this receiver? ive had it for a few months now and have some blurays that have the audio out of sync with the video, if i manually changed the lipsync on the receiver from 0 to 250 the audio is fine when i watch blurays but it will be out of sync on other source like my dish dvr or if i watch stuff directly off my samsung tv using ARC.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Now where is that CD when I need it...

Thanks

Menu - setup - hdmi - standby through

At 250 ms, you might have an HDMI cable issue. Assuming you don't, set up your system so that when you're playing a bd, audio is emitted simultaneously from both the receiver and your tv. On the receiver, set the lip sync feature to 0. Raise the volume on the tv; lower the volume on the receiver. If the tv audio is synced, then adjust the volume of the receiver and tv so that you can hear both about equally. If the receiver's audio is too fast, you'll get an echo effect. Use the receiver's lip sync function to slow its audio until you reach parity between the audio of the two units. This will take some time, depending on how particular you are. Perform the same procedure for other sources, such as cable/sat box. If I recall correctly, my receiver's lip sync feature is set at 34 ms, which I find is a good compromise for all of my sources. Your situation might require a different setting.

yes you can, but you can't use the presence speakers and the back surrounds at the same time. That was the only down side to this setup, other than that I am very pleased with the 667's performance

i purchased a yamaha 867 mostly for network capability and video upscaling. i dont have speakers yet except for the tv which is what i was planning on using until i decided on my speaker setup. in any event, i cant figure how to get the receiver to pass the audio to the tv. the video from my directv and wii look fine but no audio is passing via the hdmi to the tv. anyone know how i can fix this issue while i await getting some speakers. i couldnt find a 867 owners thread through my search, so hopefully posting here is appropriate.

thanks

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Setup>HDMI>Audio Output>Out 1 on/Out2 on.

The RX-V667 Owners Manual

Download it to your computer so you have it handy. READ IT, LEARN IT, KNOW IT, AND LOVE IT!

thx ill give it a try

Hello all.

I've just bought a new speaker pack ( NS-777, NS-444, NS-C333, RSW-300 ) and although I know audiophiles may look down on Yamaha speakers; to me they sound great. I plan to get a second pair of NS-333 and a second RSW-300 sub but the AMP will come first. I upgraded from NS-300 speakers ( 400 watt, 91db, same FQR as the newbies; 30-35000, and a crappy yamaha surround speaker pack, NS-P60 )

I do however need a new amplifier because for certain music they don't give me the sound I want. I am using a cheaper $350AUS sony 5x100 watt amp as an interim amp as my last one blew up.

I can get the RX-V667 for $699AUS, and the RX-V767 for $990 aus, and although to some the price difference does not justify the extra 5watt per channel...I feel it's important to exceed nominal power requirements so am also possibly looking at the RX-V1067 or the Aventage RX-A1000.

My system has no 'primary function' per se` as I use it for surround sound ( PC gaming, current amp uses SPDIF only; but will be using 7.2 via HDMI with the new AMP ) movies and most importantly, music.

Meshuggah, Portishead, live DVD's and Blu Ray's anything really. So I need an amp that won't bottom out at high volume, and high range.

Basically the 667 will be a last resort if I can't come up with the funds for the higher models, but can anyone with a 1067 or RX-A1000 tell me if they have experienced any problems with clipping with music or if I should opt for one or the other or why, because as far as I can tell they are around the same price. I also know a new line will likely come out soon but as the 'next gen' of video/audio cable ( Cat-6 cable, co-developed by sony/samsung and many others ) is years away then there is no point in 'future proofing' my amp.

I just want the best amp for punch/clarity/dynamic range/longevity that I can buy right now.

I appologize if my post makes no sense as being incredibly drunk is probably not the best time to make an intro...

Thanks again, ant response is appreciated.

dchalfont, I would keep using the Sony until you save up to get what you want. I had the 867 for a couple of weeks and almost kept it, but in the end I took it back because I was not happy with how it got muddy sounding at the top end. It was not really clipping but just got sloppy at around reference level. I rarely listen to my audio gear at reference levels but when I do, I want it to sound good.

I am not saving up myself, just trying to decide what unit I want and then find a good deal on it..

This being the 767,667 thread I would agree!

No clipping issues at 0 volume level which is loud enough to wake the dead with my RX-V667!

dchalfont - The 867 offers immense value for the money. It has most of the features found on the RX-A1000, 2000, & 3000. Power is more than adequate for reasonable, routine listening levels and it has power to spare. If I recall correctly, Mike's wife thought he had lost his mind for returning the 867. (Big Smile, Mike.) Check it, or its Australian equivalent, out. You can probably get a good deal on it right now.

Thanks for the responses then. As is expected prices get exponentially more expensive for every little feature increase and if people here think the 667/767/867 can give me what I need, then I'll go for it

I don't think the 867 is even sold in AUS so I guess the 767 is the score...fingers crossed the wifey is kind and lets me get yet another new toy.

@Mike

My budget is won't be much over $1000 so what I want and what I can afford are always two very different things. I've bought 2x $1k amps before and they both died before long so I've learned that it's not worth spending more than that.

I'll probably just get the 767 as I will have money to spare for my additional surrounds then. I appreciate your thoughts though. I'm sure with an even better amp still my speakers could sound even better but like I said, my budget is not high. If someone wanted to give me an RX-A3000 I wouldn't say no though..

There is no 867 thread and for most posts, this is the place to do it because the 867 is the flagship of the 67 series and aside from features and power, they are very similar. It sits in an odd perch because once at this price, the Aventage series begins to look attractive as do some other brands. If I am not mistaken the 1067 is basically the overseas version of the 867 version sold here with a big 10 in front of it which makes it look to be formidable over there.

If the 667 can wake the dead, then my Elite can make them dance upon awakening. I just cannot step down in performance and that does not mean these are not good units, I just need a more powerful one. I look at it this way, if I have a Ferrari I like but it is getting older and does not have all the newer bells and whistles, I test drive a new Corvette. Man that thing has all the bells and whistles and is a great car, but it cannot keep up with my Ferrari. No, I do not have a Ferrari but that is my analogy. The Corvette will never do what the Ferrari could and I know it. You do not compare Corvettes to Ferraris because that is unfair, though the Corvette is a fine unit in it's own right.


Cbhpi is correct, the 867 has incredible value for the features. One would need a RX-A1000 to be at the same level but I am sure the Aventage amps are better. I did see the 867 on sale a bit over a week ago for less than $500. I almost bought it again to use as a prepro at that price and use my Elite as the amp but that is just stupid since I ought to just sell the Pioneer and put that money to a beast. Still weighing my options, for what I would get for it I will probably keep the Elite. And yes, you do not know loud until you hear it with clarity. I did a direct A-B comparison and the 867 went back to the store. I know that was not a fair comparison but I was hopeful. I have my reference level and others have theirs.

I don't want to date myself but I saw Ted Nugent in concert among a lot of others. That was one loud concert. With that and my military service I have probably suffered serious hearing loss, though I still like to feel my music and I can still hear the difference in clarity when the cranking gets going.


All units sold are capable ones. The question is what are they capable of? I have decided that at this point in my life it better be capable of making me happy with room to spare or I will wait. Now I am waiting and looking. Lucky for me I have time due to my Elite purchase some 2 years ago which is not making me happy in the user friendly and 1.4 passthrough area though kicks a$$ everywhere else. I don't want to relive that experience and do not have a lot of money to throw around either. I just decided I would spend what I need to to get what I want at this stage in my life because I spend a lot of time in my man cave. And yes, I do 3D now too both from the BR player and the PC. Sometimes it is better to save or wait for a clearance because it sucks when you settle for something and then everytime you reach a barrier you must remind yourself you settled on that. I did not settle on my Pioneer, it was all that and a bag of chips back then, just not very user friendly thanks to no passthrough and the stupid HDCP BS that is causing folks to spend way too much money on this crap. I almost feel consumers need to fight back somehow but the only real way to do this is keep what you have and not be able to view new content. Bunch of crooks if you ask me.

And this ^ is what I was told when I asked about the 867 in this thread last week . I'm still considering one, too.

I came back to re-ask a question that was overlooked and not answered in a previous post/question; the 867 "literature" (advertisement description, actually) uses the Ethernet connection as a benefit of connecting by saying this:

"You can even bring your own tunes to the RX-V867. DLNA compatibility delivers network features: Using a local area network (LAN) connection and Windows Media Connect, you can play MP3, WMA and WAV music from your PC or laptop, or listen to any of the thousands of stations available on Internet radio using the included MP3 vTuner data service. Yamaha Network Receivers get you connected to the vast music content available anywhere on your LAN and on the web."

So my question, once again is (and I'm tech challenged, so please be nice ):

Is there an advantage to using an Ethernet connection over using say, S/PDIF coax connection from PC to AVR? The latter was my intention, as I thought it was the most optimal way. Understand that this is not crucial to me either way, but I'm just trying to understand it better. I will definitely be using my "new" PC music library off MP11 for "convenience factor.....but I'm actually using S/PDIF now with an older Sony AVR, but don't have my 2ch set-up in place yet. This is what the new AVR will help me achieve (HDMI connects, pre-outs to feed several old amps off for 2CH & HTS in one, etc..).

So, what's the deal? Oh, and one more! Does the 867 have a separate 2 channel function? My understanding was that most new (I'm old ) AVRs will simply default to front main L&R once taken out of say, Cinema mode with a Yamaha. Yes?