Originally Posted by joe01880
This being the 767,667 thread I would agree!
No clipping issues at 0 volume level which is loud enough to wake the dead with my RX-V667!
There is no 867 thread and for most posts, this is the place to do it because the 867 is the flagship of the 67 series and aside from features and power, they are very similar. It sits in an odd perch because once at this price, the Aventage series begins to look attractive as do some other brands. If I am not mistaken the 1067 is basically the overseas version of the 867 version sold here with a big 10 in front of it which makes it look to be formidable over there.
If the 667 can wake the dead, then my Elite can make them dance upon awakening. I just cannot step down in performance and that does not mean these are not good units, I just need a more powerful one. I look at it this way, if I have a Ferrari I like but it is getting older and does not have all the newer bells and whistles, I test drive a new Corvette. Man that thing has all the bells and whistles and is a great car, but it cannot keep up with my Ferrari. No, I do not have a Ferrari but that is my analogy. The Corvette will never do what the Ferrari could and I know it. You do not compare Corvettes to Ferraris because that is unfair, though the Corvette is a fine unit in it's own right.
Originally Posted by cbhpi
dchalfont - The 867 offers immense value for the money. It has most of the features found on the RX-A1000, 2000, & 3000. Power is more than adequate for reasonable, routine listening levels and it has power to spare. If I recall correctly, Mike's wife thought he had lost his mind for returning the 867. (Big Smile, Mike.) Check it, or its Australian equivalent, out. You can probably get a good deal on it right now.
Cbhpi is correct, the 867 has incredible value for the features. One would need a RX-A1000 to be at the same level but I am sure the Aventage amps are better. I did see the 867 on sale a bit over a week ago for less than $500. I almost bought it again to use as a prepro at that price and use my Elite as the amp but that is just stupid since I ought to just sell the Pioneer and put that money to a beast. Still weighing my options, for what I would get for it I will probably keep the Elite. And yes, you do not know loud until you hear it with clarity. I did a direct A-B comparison and the 867 went back to the store. I know that was not a fair comparison but I was hopeful. I have my reference level and others have theirs.
I don't want to date myself but I saw Ted Nugent in concert among a lot of others. That was one loud concert. With that and my military service I have probably suffered serious hearing loss, though I still like to feel my music and I can still hear the difference in clarity when the cranking gets going.
Originally Posted by dchalfont
My budget is won't be much over $1000 so what I want and what I can afford are always two very different things. I've bought 2x $1k amps before and they both died before long so I've learned that it's not worth spending more than that.
I'll probably just get the 767 as I will have money to spare for my additional surrounds then. I appreciate your thoughts though. I'm sure with an even better amp still my speakers could sound even better but like I said, my budget is not high. If someone wanted to give me an RX-A3000 I wouldn't say no though..
All units sold are capable ones. The question is what are they capable of? I have decided that at this point in my life it better be capable of making me happy with room to spare or I will wait. Now I am waiting and looking. Lucky for me I have time due to my Elite purchase some 2 years ago which is not making me happy in the user friendly and 1.4 passthrough area though kicks a$$ everywhere else. I don't want to relive that experience and do not have a lot of money to throw around either. I just decided I would spend what I need to to get what I want at this stage in my life because I spend a lot of time in my man cave. And yes, I do 3D now too both from the BR player and the PC. Sometimes it is better to save or wait for a clearance because it sucks when you settle for something and then everytime you reach a barrier you must remind yourself you settled on that. I did not settle on my Pioneer, it was all that and a bag of chips back then, just not very user friendly thanks to no passthrough and the stupid HDCP BS that is causing folks to spend way too much money on this crap. I almost feel consumers need to fight back somehow but the only real way to do this is keep what you have and not be able to view new content. Bunch of crooks if you ask me.