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post #3301 of 3729
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Originally Posted by VdubGTI View Post

Sorry if this is a newbie question, but I remember reading a thread about this a few months back and was under the impression that the level was set after running YPAO. After your system is calibrated, 0 is supposed to represent reference volume. Is this not the case?

Which reference level? THX reference level is 85db for the speakers and 95 db for the sub with 20db of headroom for each! Most manufacturers(incl. Yamaha) refer to 75 db with zero headroom as reference level because it's easier to attain. Theoretically if you ran pink noise through each speaker individually and set each speaker level to 75db with a spl meter and set your volume control to "0",you would have your 75 db reference level. Of course,that will be really loud,possibly damaging your speakers and/or receiver,a level you probably wouldn't listen to for long. Now,if you turned the volume down to -30 would you be hearing 45db? Unlikely due to different calibrations of volume controls. Regardless,YPAO will not calibrate your system to "75db reference level" at 0 volume level. Think about those THX reference levels and you can see why stuff that says THX Ultra 2,Select 2 or whatever costs so much and why most people don't need it.
post #3302 of 3729
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Your receiver puts out 5x75watts=375 watts. The 667 put out 7x90 watts=630 watts,that's why the difference in power consumption(need more to make more). The extra two pounds is probably a bigger transformer to handle the additional power. Both receivers,however,are rated with only 2 channels driven(a common practice to inflate power ratings). When you're using 5 or 7 channels, the actual power output is about half the 2 channel output. This is why I think pre-outs are a necessity, so you can add more power if needed.

BTW: Right now Amazon still has brand new 667s(not refurb or b stock) for$319 w/free ship,no tax. They won't last long.

yes I know about the increased wattage needed to power the exra 2 channels but one would think that average power draw would not nearly double as most people do not listen to their receivers at max power levels. Even with my old receiver I rarely go above -50db on the volume control.
post #3303 of 3729
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Originally Posted by YeuEmMaiMai View Post

yes I know about the increased wattage needed to power the exra 2 channels but one would think that average power draw would not nearly double as most people do not listen to their receivers at max power levels. Even with my old receiver I rarely go above -50db on the volume control.

The power consumption rating on the back of your receiver is the maximum, it's not a constant drain. Your consumption will depend on your usage,it will decrease at lower levels. While the maximum has increased,at the same time technology has moved on and hopefully they have made the receivers more efficient so the new one won't cost more to run than the old one.
post #3304 of 3729
Any help to why I don't get the DTS light to come on the receiver when playing a DTS disc on the bluray player, I have choosen the DTS track on the disc but only get the DSP display. I can go to the straight mode but still see no indication of DTS
post #3305 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

Any help to why I don't get the DTS light to come on the receiver when playing a DTS disc on the bluray player, I have choosen the DTS track on the disc but only get the DSP display. I can go to the straight mode but still see no indication of DTS

Your player is maybe sending PCM. For testing you do need to be in straight mode, and use the "info" button to toggle the display to decoder. It will tell you if it's PCM or what, which you can also see on the signal info screen in the OSD.

Players will send PCM for different reasons, one being "secondary audio - on".
post #3306 of 3729
Thanks, I went in and the receiver was receiving the PCM signal, I changed it to bitsream(unprocessed). Now the recieiver says the audio signal is DTS-HD MSTR but I still do not see an indication of this on the receiver graphics. Does it just not show this info, like DD, DTS, etc on the graphic screen?
post #3307 of 3729
One more question, the bluray concert is recorded in DTS-HD 5.1, my side surrounds are not getting any signal, is there a way to have 7.1 sound with a 5.1 recording? Thanks
post #3308 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

One more question, the bluray concert is recorded in DTS-HD 5.1, my side surrounds are not getting any signal, is there a way to have 7.1 sound with a 5.1 recording? Thanks

With a 7.1 speaker configuration, using the "Extended Surround" option will reproduce 5.1 in 7.1. It's doubtful that using the option will cure your problem as described.
post #3309 of 3729
Hi,

I am new here and recently bought the RX667. My connection is

Uverse Motorola DVR -----> yamaha with HDMI

Yamaha -----> Panasonic TV with HDMI

The signal passes through to the TV in the standby mode. However when I switch my receiver on in the middle of my TV viewing, to listen through my surround sound system, I lose HDMI signal to my TV for about 5 -6 secs and then everything comes back on. The same thing happens when I turn off the receiver. It seems to be a Yamaha receiver issue and I am wondering if anybody else has also encountered this lag in transmitting signal from passthrough(standby mode) to Power "ON" or is there something wrong with my particular unit.

Sometimes I have also noticed that my DVR reboots when I power on the Yamaha. Not sure if that is a separate issue.

Thanks
post #3310 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Mehr View Post

Hi,

I am new here and recently bought the RX667. My connection is

Uverse Motorola DVR -----> yamaha with HDMI

Yamaha -----> Panasonic TV with HDMI

The signal passes through to the TV in the standby mode. However when I switch my receiver on in the middle of my TV viewing, to listen through my surround sound system, I lose HDMI signal to my TV for about 5 -6 secs and then everything comes back on. The same thing happens when I turn off the receiver. It seems to be a Yamaha receiver issue and I am wondering if anybody else has also encountered this lag in transmitting signal from passthrough(standby mode) to Power "ON" or is there something wrong with my particular unit.

That is completely normal HDMI handshaking behavior.

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Sometimes I have also noticed that my DVR reboots when I power on the Yamaha. Not sure if that is a separate issue.

Thanks

Probably some bug in the Motorola, they are known for buggy behavior.
post #3311 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

One more question, the bluray concert is recorded in DTS-HD 5.1, my side surrounds are not getting any signal, is there a way to have 7.1 sound with a 5.1 recording? Thanks

Do you mean your rear surrounds have a signal but the side surrounds don't? If so, they're not corrected properly (5.1 uses side surrounds, and 7.1 adds rear surrounds).
post #3312 of 3729
OK, my 667 should arrive tomorrow. I have a question, this is more of a general AVR question.

I have a PS3. There are two ways to output through the HDMI port. Bitstream or Linear PCM.

If I choose Bitstream I understand to typically get a DTS stream from the PS3, all fine and dandy.

But if I use Linear PCM, which I understand to be as many as 8 individual PCM channels, does the Yamaha do any processing on that or does it simply amplify the PCM channels?

Reason I ask is I have a 4.2 setup with a phantom center. So I'm wondering will the Yammy remix that and also perform bass management with linear PCM? Perhaps direct vs non-direct modes?
post #3313 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Bridude View Post

I just upgraded from a 12 yr old Yamaha RX-V-793 to the 667. The 667 seems less powerful when driving my 5.1 Klipsch speakers.

Is it normal to have to watch TV/movies around -25 db??? Seems cranked over half way........the 793 was never turned up that high.

Thanks for the input!

As someone previously mentioned, there's no "normal". The volume depends upon the source, your room size, room treatments, and speaker efficiency.

For comparison though, I've got my 667 in a 20x27 room with carpet and an 8' ceiling. I'm driving Axiom speakers.

For movies, I set the volume to -20db. Most of the time I keep it there, but I might move it up or down a bit by a couple db depending on the particular movie.

For some music I'll go to -15db.

For regular TV watching, I keep it at around -30db.

Cary
post #3314 of 3729
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Originally Posted by jcmccorm View Post

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Originally Posted by Bridude View Post

I just upgraded from a 12 yr old Yamaha RX-V-793 to the 667. The 667 seems less powerful when driving my 5.1 Klipsch speakers. Is it normal to have to watch TV/movies around -25 db??? Seems cranked over half way........the 793 was never turned up that high. Thanks for the input!

As someone previously mentioned, there's no "normal". The volume depends upon the source, your room size, room treatments, and speaker efficiency.

Agreed!
And Yamaha changed they way they calibrate AVR volume controls 5 or 6 years ago, so it's meaningless to compare volume setting numbers from last millennium models!
post #3315 of 3729
Just got my 667. I love it, except ... not sending anything to the subwoofer.

YPAO didn't recognize the sub and nothing via manual setting either. I've tried the subwoofer output and the audio output, and I've verified that the sub itself is not the problem. Even tried to RTFM and didn't see anything helpful. Do I need to send this thing back to Amazon or am I missing something obvious?
post #3316 of 3729
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Originally Posted by woollyB View Post

Just got my 667. I love it, except ... not sending anything to the subwoofer.

YPAO didn't recognize the sub and nothing via manual setting either. I've tried the subwoofer output and the audio output, and I've verified that the sub itself is not the problem. Even tried to RTFM and didn't see anything helpful. Do I need to send this thing back to Amazon or am I missing something obvious?

Make sure in set up menu that you have the bass out set to sub.
post #3317 of 3729
Nobody has had any issues with the 12v trigger? I'm going to have to check it with a volt meter bcause its not turning on my amp or pure av power conditioner.
post #3318 of 3729
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Originally Posted by woollyB View Post

Just got my 667. I love it, except ... not sending anything to the subwoofer.

YPAO didn't recognize the sub and nothing via manual setting either. I've tried the subwoofer output and the audio output, and I've verified that the sub itself is not the problem. Even tried to RTFM and didn't see anything helpful. Do I need to send this thing back to Amazon or am I missing something obvious?

There is no "bass out".
here you go;on screen>set-up>speaker>manual set-up>configuration>subwoofer,set to "use". While you're in the configuration menu,set your speakers to "small",be sure "extra bass" is off and set your crossover frequency. If that doesn't do it,let us know what sub and speakers you have for more trouble-shooting.
post #3319 of 3729
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Originally Posted by moreira85 View Post

Nobody has had any issues with the 12v trigger? I'm going to have to check it with a volt meter bcause its not turning on my amp or pure av power conditioner.

Mine turns on my Panamax just fine. Be sure you are using a mono(one ring around the tip) mini-plug,not a stereo(two rings around the tip,the most common kind) plug.
post #3320 of 3729
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

There is no "bass out".
here you go;on screen>set-up>speaker>manual set-up>configuration>subwoofer,set to "use". While you're in the configuration menu,set your speakers to "small",be sure "extra bass" is off and set your crossover frequency.

Maybe I was unclear. That's what I meant by "nothing via manual setting." After YPAO didn't see the sub, I manually set to "use" the subwoofer, but no sound comes through.

The sub doesn't have LFE input. I tried running the cable from the subwoofer output to its line-level input, with and without a Y-splitter, and tried running RCA cable from the receiver audio out to the sub input. I also verified that I can plug an mp3 player directly into the sub and make sound come out. So I don't think it's the sub.
post #3321 of 3729
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Originally Posted by woollyB View Post

Maybe I was unclear. That's what I meant by "nothing via manual setting." After YPAO didn't see the sub, I manually set to "use" the subwoofer, but no sound comes through.

The sub doesn't have LFE input. I tried running the cable from the subwoofer output to its line-level input, with and without a Y-splitter, and tried running RCA cable from the receiver audio out to the sub input. I also verified that I can plug an mp3 player directly into the sub and make sound come out. So I don't think it's the sub.

Tried another cable? Sub out>line in should work, crossover on sub should be set to 'bypass" or turned all the way up. What sub do you have?
post #3322 of 3729
I should have said rear surrounds. I am going to play around with it later. When watching a DTS disc is there an indication on the receiver front that is lighted indicating DTS?
post #3323 of 3729
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Originally Posted by Bigotis View Post

I should have said rear surrounds. I am going to play around with it later. When watching a DTS disc is there an indication on the receiver front that is lighted indicating DTS?

Press the "info" button on the remote and watch the display.(each time you press it different info will be displayed)
post #3324 of 3729
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

There is no "bass out".
here you go;on screen>set-up>speaker>manual set-up>configuration>subwoofer,set to "use". While you're in the configuration menu,set your speakers to "small",be sure "extra bass" is off and set your crossover frequency. If that doesn't do it,let us know what sub and speakers you have for more trouble-shooting.

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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

Tried another cable? Sub out>line in should work, crossover on sub should be set to 'bypass" or turned all the way up. What sub do you have?

Great news! I'm retarded! Was plugging the sub cable into the "subwoofer" port on the multi-channel input on the Yamaha. Embarrassing.

Working through my noob issues one at a time now. Got ARC working so I can stream Pandora through my TV's VierraCast apps. Pretty awesome.
post #3325 of 3729
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Originally Posted by moreira85 View Post

Nobody has had any issues with the 12v trigger? I'm going to have to check it with a volt meter bcause its not turning on my amp or pure av power conditioner.

I use it to power on my sub amp. Works fine.
post #3326 of 3729
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Originally Posted by sofast1 View Post

No, a parametric equalizer is not the same as a graphic equalizer. It is,as you mentioned,a tool for correcting specific problems,not a way to change the frequency response/tone of your speaker. The 667 does have a parametric equalizer that can be used in the manual mode to correct specific problems on all the speakers except the subwoofer. You have to adjust each speaker individually and it's a tedious procedure. Not recommended for newbies, a lot of folks end up frustrated with worse sound. The problem is that there's no real-time(or any kind of) display to show you what you've done(like a graphic eq.).You can do it with a good spl meter if you know what you're doing. See page 87 in the owners manual(you can download it),it actually has a good explanation. Look at the modes other than "manual",they're probably more useful.

Well damn. I was just about to ask if the RX-667 could EQ the sub channel because I couldn't figure it out. I've had it for a year now and I'm starting to regret my purchase. Fuzzy and slow OSD, no USB, no network, no quick way to switch between Pro Logic II Music and Movie mode for stereo sources, no way to review what YPAO found and fine tune those settings, and now this.

Overall the receiver works well. I haven't found any bugs so I haven't bothered checking for firmware updates. Anyone know if Yamaha has added any new features with a firmware update?
post #3327 of 3729
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Originally Posted by owdi View Post

Well damn. I was just about to ask if the RX-667 could EQ the sub channel because I couldn't figure it out. I've had it for a year now and I'm starting to regret my purchase. Fuzzy and slow OSD, no USB, no network, no quick way to switch between Pro Logic II Music and Movie mode for stereo sources, no way to review what YPAO found and fine tune those settings, and now this.

Overall the receiver works well. I haven't found any bugs so I haven't bothered checking for firmware updates. Anyone know if Yamaha has added any new features with a firmware update?

Don't know what to tell you,my osd isn't fuzzy or slow,my tv and bluray have usb and network,press one button to switch PLII modes for 2 channel sources,YPAO will show it's settings and you can tweak them in the manual mode. No new features,but be sure your version is 2.05 or higher.There is no need to eq your subwoofer,it's typical bandwith in use is around 20-80hz( a 60hz spread,very,very small compared to your other speakers) and you already can adjust the crossover and output level.
post #3328 of 3729
Hi guys

Getting used to my 667 and really enjoying it! Huge improvement from my 12 year old Yamaha 793. Anyway, I am hooking up my Wii via component into AV1 and sending audio into Audio 1. Looking at the On Screen Info, looks like Analog Resolution is 480i to 480i. Can I change output to 720P or 1080i (All my 50" Panny can handle) or do I have to leave at 480i?? I have looked through every inch of the on screen controls to try to change.

Thanks for the help!
post #3329 of 3729
I don't think the Yammy can upconvert it.

But I think you can change it to 480P on the Wii settings menu.
post #3330 of 3729
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Originally Posted by moreira85 View Post

Nobody has had any issues with the 12v trigger? I'm going to have to check it with a volt meter bcause its not turning on my amp or pure av power conditioner.

Update, The problem was not the 12V trigger it was the wire I was using.
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