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post #3691 of 3908
What is make and model of your display, I can get that model dvr tomorrow and see if I can duplicate in lab setup but I don't work for Comcast so I can't help on that side.
post #3692 of 3908
I don't remember if you mentioned this does this happen if dvr I connected directly to your tv?
post #3693 of 3908
Pretty much tells the story....I too had the problem whereby I could set the DCX3400 to output 1080i but when I'd power my components off and on again, it would revert to 720p.

Unlike others, I was not willing to clutter my system with extra hardware (splitter/amplifier) or cables (component/toslink), so I pursued a different "work-around."

My system consists of the DVR connected to a Yamaha RX-V467 receiver connected to a Vizio VL420M TV, all via HDMI. I use a Harmony One remote to control it.

I'm indebted to those who posted before me -- I've benefitted from your observations and suggestions.

Like others, I observed that the DVR displays "dUI" twice during the power on sequence with my failing setup. Evidently, "dUI" indicates a handshake between the DVR and one of the other components. I further observed that power cycling the DVR (only) has no ill effect. However, power cycling the TV (only) causes failure (downscaling to 720p).

When I test-connected the DVR directly to the TV via HDMI, power cycling the TV (only) had NO ill effect; in fact, there was only one "dUI" displayed. It's only when the receiver is in the chain that I have the problem. So presumably I could use this connection and add a toslink cable from DVR to receiver to get sound, but I don't wish to do that.

I then restored the cabling to its original state: DVR -> receiver -> TV and experimented with the sequence in which devices were manually powered up.

I found that as long as the TV was fully initialized prior to powering on the receiver, the DVR would only receive one "dUI" and all was well. It didn't matter whether the DVR was powered on before or after the TV.

When my Harmony is left to it's own devices (pun?), there is a race between all three components to get up and running and to handshake. One of the handshakes is between the receiver and the DVR and the other is between the TV and DVR via the receiver, thus the two "dUI's". Evidently, the system is sensitive to the order and state of initialization, and for some unknown reason, the DVR receives or interprets the TV's capabilities incorrectly (720p).

I suspect that what is happening is that the receiver reports something invalid about the TV while the TV is still initializing, and the DVR reverts to the default 720p. When the TV finally initializes, it sends another update, but it's too late because the DVR won't ever upscale again. But who knows?

So the receiver being off while the TV initializes is critical. Obviously, this blocks the TV from handshaking (just yet, anyway) with the DVR, since the pass-through on the receiver is active, not passive. The idea is to get the TV stabilized such that when the receiver comes up, it reports accurate data to the DVR.

Others may wish to test for this case:

1) With the DVR on, power on the TV and let it initialize for a few seconds (until it tries to lock onto a signal);

2) Power on the receiver;

3) check that the DVR is still set for 1080i.

If this works for you, do what it takes to delay the powering on of the receiver.
post #3694 of 3908
Seems like the best solution would be to go back to connecting dvr directly to tv and using toslink for audio. Won't make any diff as dvr only outputs 5.1. Only thing I'll lose is the one-touch control for all the devices. Least the resolution will quit reverting back to the machine's default setting. Be nice if Motorola will do another update on their machines once they get enough complaints. Highly unlikely, though....since their solution is for owners to go "component" for a work-a-round, instead of a fix.
post #3695 of 3908
You could try putting in a delay on the Harmony. Have the TV power up first, add a delay then have the other devices power on.
post #3696 of 3908
Eh..not really worth my time going with a different remote. Tried going with direct hdmi hookup. Did pretty much what I expected. Worked fine, cept lost ability to use OSD when using TV mode. So just reconnected as before. If I notice something glaringly screwed in 720p, I'll manually switch it. Besides...movies is the only time I'm that critical on resolution and everything works fine, then.
post #3697 of 3908
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Originally Posted by flyingdog View Post

Eh..not really worth my time going with a different remote. Tried going with direct hdmi hookup. Did pretty much what I expected. Worked fine, cept lost ability to use OSD when using TV mode. So just reconnected as before. If I notice something glaringly screwed in 720p, I'll manually switch it. Besides...movies is the only time I'm that critical on resolution and everything works fine, then.
You said in the earlier post "When my Harmony is left to it's own devices...". That's the only reason I suggested adding the delay into it. You can do this in the program. I've had to tweak which of my components starts first, etc.
post #3698 of 3908
Oh..IC Should have said that statement was a quote. I don't have the Harmony...and don't feel like adding another remote. But "Yea"...I've looked into using one of those inline delays. But lost interest at this time.
post #3699 of 3908
Hello to everyone, a few weeks ago i bought this amazing receiver because my old yamaha receiver died, and i also bought this home cinema speakers, DYNAVOICE Challenger M65-ex v.3, it,s 5.0, the problem is,i'm a rookie with all the audio options and i don´t know how to configure properly, i used the yamaha ypao but i don´t like how it sound, i have all the video options configured right but no the sound options, could any one help me?? Thanks alot.... smile.gif
post #3700 of 3908
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Originally Posted by swords90 View Post

... i used the yamaha ypao but i don´t like how it sound...

That's not a lot to go on, but I would start by disabling the EQ to rule that out (in Manual Setup under Parametric EQ, change PEQ Select to Through).

Check in the menu how the speakers were set up, and with a 5.0 system Subwoofer should be None, and the Front L/R should be Large. The centre and surrounds should probably be Small with a crossover of 80Hz.

Make sure Adaptive DRC is OFF.

Play something you are familiar with that you know should sound good (some random movie might not have a good sound track). For a 5.1 track use STRAIGHT mode. For stereo music use PLII Music if you want all speakers to play.

Now try to be more specific about what doesn't sound right (or maybe it will already sound better).

If the problem is only when playing very loud, you might simply not have the power for those speakers in a 5.0 setup. With a powered sub and the fronts set to Small, there's a lot less demand on the receiver.
post #3701 of 3908
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Originally Posted by kriktsemaj99 View Post

That's not a lot to go on, but I would start by disabling the EQ to rule that out (in Manual Setup under Parametric EQ, change PEQ Select to Through).

Check in the menu how the speakers were set up, and with a 5.0 system Subwoofer should be None, and the Front L/R should be Large. The centre and surrounds should probably be Small with a crossover of 80Hz.

Make sure Adaptive DRC is OFF.

Play something you are familiar with that you know should sound good (some random movie might not have a good sound track). For a 5.1 track use STRAIGHT mode. For stereo music use PLII Music if you want all speakers to play.

Now try to be more specific about what doesn't sound right (or maybe it will already sound better).

If the problem is only when playing very loud, you might simply not have the power for those speakers in a 5.0 setup. With a powered sub and the fronts set to Small, there's a lot less demand on the receiver.

Hello kriktsemaj99, thanks alot for your help, i changed all the things you said, but i have a few questions, i take some photos because is more easy to see,









The first photo is 7ch stereo, this are the presets options, what do you think?...
The second photo is the sound options, i don´t undertund anything in that page...
The third photo is the speaker level, all presets options, should i change something?
The forth photo is the speaker configuration, i put everything like you said, is ok??
Thanks alot for your help, i've never thought that the configuration of this receiver would be so difficult, maybe it´s because i´m a rookie smile.gif, thanks again for your help!!!
post #3702 of 3908
You're not going to use the 7-channel stereo mode, so those settings don't matter (they affect the relative loudness of the speakers only for 7-channel stereo mode, but that mode is not a good mode to use).

Those sound options are fine (Adaptive DSP is only used in the DSP modes, but you should do your initial testing in STRAIGHT mode). But do check that Adaptive DRC is OFF (Adaptive DSP and Adaptive DRC are two different settings).

The speaker levels all at +6.0dB is a bit strange. You said you ran YPAO, and I'm a bit surprised it set them all to exactly the same levels (it depends on the type of speakers and how far each one is from the YPAO micrpohone). You could use the built in manual test tones to see if all speakers sound the same volume while you're sitting in the main listening position.

The speaker configuration is OK.

And if you did run YPAO, make sure you turn off the equalizer (PEQ Select = Through) for your initial listening tests.

Now listen to the system and try to be specific about what doesn't sound right. Also if you take a picture of the front panel (not the menu) while playing something, it will show some of the settings that are active.
post #3703 of 3908
Thanks alot for your answer, i will run the YPAO test again.... about the 7-channel stereo mode, which mode should i use to watch films, because there are alot and i´m a litle bit lost, thanks again!!
post #3704 of 3908
I ran the test again and this are the new results:





The first photo, the size of the center and the surround change to large, both, should i change it to small?? I don´t understand the difference between small and large, this speakers are really big, i mean the size...
The second photo, the speaker levels, what do you think??
thanks alot for your help!!!
post #3705 of 3908
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Originally Posted by swords90 View Post

Thanks alot for your answer, i will run the YPAO test again.... about the 7-channel stereo mode, which mode should i use to watch films, because there are alot and i´m a litle bit lost, thanks again!!

For movies that have 5.1 surround sound, start with STRAIGHT mode (which will send the 5 channels to each of your speakers). Do not use 7 channel stereo because it starts by combining all the surround info into the front two channels, so you lose the proper surround effect.

For sound tracks that are only stereo (2.0), if you want to use all your speakers try PLII Music or Movie mode (push the SUR DECODE button on the remote until that mode is selected).
post #3706 of 3908
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Originally Posted by swords90 View Post

I ran the test again and this are the new results...

Large and Small don't really refer to the size. A speaker set to Large plays all frequencies (including the low bass). Since you have no subwoofer your front speakers will be set as Large (you have no choice). When a speaker is set to Small the bass below the crossover frequency is sent to your subwoofer, or to the front speakers when you have no sub.

In your case the center and surrounds are not really Large (they can't play as low as your front speakers) so set them to Small with an 80Hz crossover.

The speaker levels are a bit strange. Why are the speakers on the right (front right and surround right) 5dB higher than the same sepaker on the left? Are the speakers near a wall on one side of the room and not on the other side? It's normal that they are not all the same, but 5dB between left and right seems a lot.

But tell us how they sound. And post a close up picture of the front panel while you are playing something, as that will contain some useful information.
post #3707 of 3908
I put the movie 300, whith the dts audio and the STRAIGHT mode, and this is the problem:



Only sound the fronts speakers.....



A photo of the speakers, the surround speakers aren´t in their place because i don´t have small tables right now but i have to buy something, when i ran the YPAO test i put the speakers on a chair next to the sofa, in their right place....
post #3708 of 3908
How are you playing the movie (what player)? While playing the movie press ON SCREEN and then select Information to show what audio signal is being sent to the receiver. If the player is set properly you should have a 5.1 signal.

Also the front panel display shows the compressed music enhancer is turned on. You should turn that OFF.

The speaker levels might be OK, but use the built-in test tones and see if the left and right speakers sound the same.
post #3709 of 3908
The player is: asus oplay hd2, with is connected to the yamaha using a hdmi.....





The first is the information of the asus.
The second is the information of the receiver....
post #3710 of 3908
Ok look this photos....



I changed the conection to hdmi raw (before was in lpcm)



How should it sound?? voice is the fronts and audio effects in the rest of the speakers?? thanks...
I ask you that because it´s a little bit strange....
post #3711 of 3908
The player is only sending 2.0 to the receiver and not 5.1 (even though the player is showing you that the movie has a 5.1 audio track). You need to fix that.

Probably you need to change the audio setup on the player to enable 5.1 output, or maybe you have the receiver set to send audio to the TV (instead of just the main speakers) and that's causing it to be sent as 2.0.

When you have things set correctly the receiver information will show it's getting 3/2/1 (5.1) and not 2/0/---. It should sound better.
post #3712 of 3908
Hello!! now the receiver information show me this: 3/2/0.1..... very strange.. what do you think?? thanks!!!
post #3713 of 3908
That's AC3, meaning 5.1 audio.
post #3714 of 3908
Are you sure?? because i played a movie with dts sound, no AC3.... thanks!!
post #3715 of 3908
3/2/0.1 means it's now receiving 5 channels (3 front + 2 surround) with LFE (0.1), but it could be any 5.1 format (DTS, PCM etc.). The information screen should also tell you the format.
post #3716 of 3908
Ok thanks for the info, do i have to set something else?? or with 3/2/0.1 is ok? thanks!!!
post #3717 of 3908
It means you're now getting the full 5.1 track, so that's fine. Do you now see 5 speaker indicators on the receiver front panel?

Does it sound better than when you were getting 2.0? Did you turn off the enhancer and check that Adaptive DRC is OFF?

And I would still listen to the internal test tones to make sure the speaker levels sound right despite the 5dB level difference between left and right.
post #3718 of 3908
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Originally Posted by swords90 View Post

do i have to set something else??

Whatever you do....Do NOT touch this >>>>> . <<<<< button!!! eek.gif
post #3719 of 3908
kriktsemaj99...been curious as to what you mean by "adaptive DRC". I only seem to have an "adaptive DSP". There is a "DR" (dynamic range) setting, but this cannot be turned off. (Max... Std... Min/Auto)


"Ah..NM..found it on pg.51 in OM". I often forget the 'options' screen. Mental gaps do happen.
Edited by flyingdog - 4/20/13 at 7:43am
post #3720 of 3908
Could someone give a quick post on how to switch the OSD on the AVR between the source signal and the input? Somehow I switched it to the input today and I don't know what button I pressed.
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