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post #241 of 4453
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Originally Posted by bsoko2 View Post

Want to sell the Sub EQ and Pro kit together. Also have the Integra DHC 9.9 with Pro installed.

Bill

Why not keep the amps? Or are you crossing so high with your quad Empires that you simply figured you don't need the spare power?

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post #242 of 4453
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

Yes, you can. I got a great deal on a SC-37....PM me when you're ready to pull the trigger and I'll steer you in the right direction...

I'm interested as well. I'll PM you. thanks
post #243 of 4453
Ok..So I had this Rcvr for about a week and it is my 1st high end model Rcvr. My previous Rcvrs were part of a full set up system.

Honestly, I can not tell the difference between 80% of the surround options on this system. There are couple that are noticeably better than others but overall, majority are the same.

I guess my question is, what do I need to do to get the most out of this system. What should I be doing in terms of a set up of the rcvr? I ran the MCACC and am going by that setting.

I am 2nd guessing my purchase thinking maybe I should have gone with a lower model since I can't tell the difference between all the features on the SC-37.
post #244 of 4453
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Ok, I got the 37 all setup and when I play a Blu-Ray from my PS3 ( All audio formats selected) the 37 will not display DTS HD Master or DD True HD. is this a limitation of the PS3 or am I missing something?

I figured it out, The PS3 cannot send the "Zipped" DTS HD Master or DD Tru HD to the reciever, instead you have to set the PS3 to output LPCM and the PS3 will decode the HD audio and then send it on through. So, no fancy DTS MA or DD True HD lights on the 37. I wish Sony would send a firmware update that would address this issue. If the PS3 "hiccups" during the decode you will get bad sound artifacts, which is very undesirable. I might look into a Pio Elite BD player or a Samsung to pair with the 63C8000 down the line.
post #245 of 4453
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What software can I view the .MCAAC file saved on my USB stick?
post #246 of 4453
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Originally Posted by RezaR1 View Post

Ok..So I had this Rcvr for about a week and it is my 1st high end model Rcvr. My previous Rcvrs were part of a full set up system.

Honestly, I can not tell the difference between 80% of the surround options on this system. There are couple that are noticeably better than others but overall, majority are the same.

I guess my question is, what do I need to do to get the most out of this system. What should I be doing in terms of a set up of the rcvr? I ran the MCACC and am going by that setting.

I am 2nd guessing my purchase thinking maybe I should have gone with a lower model since I can't tell the difference between all the features on the SC-37.

Just because you can't tell a difference between the surround options doesn't mean you should be second guessing anything. Alot of people, myself included, don't use those options anyway. I just leave it on it's native source. I never can tell a difference from all the surround modes in AVR's either. I hear no difference with, for example, THX cinema.

But most important how does it sound to you with BD's? These ICE amps are very well reviewed.

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Originally Posted by Jnipz View Post

Ok, I got the 37 all setup and when I play a Blu-Ray from my PS3 ( All audio formats selected) the 37 will not display DTS HD Master or DD True HD. is this a limitation of the PS3 or am I missing something?

I figured it out, The PS3 cannot send the "Zipped" DTS HD Master or DD Tru HD to the reciever, instead you have to set the PS3 to output LPCM and the PS3 will decode the HD audio and then send it on through. So, no fancy DTS MA or DD True HD lights on the 37. I wish Sony would send a firmware update that would address this issue. If the PS3 "hiccups" during the decode you will get bad sound artifacts, which is very undesirable. I might look into a Pio Elite BD player or a Samsung to pair with the 63C8000 down the line.

The PS3 slim bitstreams the HD codecs. No difference anyway. The same DAC's gets used.
post #247 of 4453
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Originally Posted by saprano View Post

Just because you can't tell a difference between the surround options doesn't mean you should be second guessing anything. Alot of people, myself included, don't use those options anyway. I just leave it on it's native source. I never can tell a difference from all the surround modes in AVR's either. I hear no difference with, for example, THX cinema.

But most important how does it sound to you with BD's? These ICE amps are very well reviewed.


The PS3 slim bitstreams the HD codecs. No difference anyway. The same DAC's gets used.

I don't want the PS3 to decode those streams. I want the SC-37 to. If the Sony does it, it won't be 32 bit 192 KHz. LPCM on the PS3 id 48KHz 16 bits per channel, correct?
post #248 of 4453
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Originally Posted by ChrisRadar View Post

I don't want the PS3 to decode those streams. I want the SC-37 to. If the Sony does it, it won't be 32 bit 192 KHz. LPCM on the PS3 id 48KHz 16 bits per channel, correct?

No.. it's what ever format the original stream contains...

There is no audible benefit from decoding inside the receiver vs. the PS3.

As a side note, there isn't really a 32 bit depth audio on the production side of things... for films it is still 99% 24/48, hi res music 24/96 or 24/192.
post #249 of 4453
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Originally Posted by ChrisRadar View Post

I don't want the PS3 to decode those streams. I want the SC-37 to. If the Sony does it, it won't be 32 bit 192 KHz. LPCM on the PS3 id 48KHz 16 bits per channel, correct?

From what I've read, the original PS3 outputs 24bit/192kHz LPCM (not sure about the slim but probably the same).

As a side note, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA both cap out at 24bit/192kHz as well.
post #250 of 4453
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Originally Posted by ChrisRadar View Post

I don't want the PS3 to decode those streams. I want the SC-37 to. If the Sony does it, it won't be 32 bit 192 KHz. LPCM on the PS3 id 48KHz 16 bits per channel, correct?

As i said only the new ps3 slim will bitstream the HD codecs and send it to the reciever. PCM on the ps3 goes up to 192khz 24bit. Either way there's no difference. If you do hear one it's just a volume difference between the products.

Which ps3 do you have? Im guessing the old fat one.
post #251 of 4453
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Originally Posted by Jnipz View Post

I figured it out, The PS3 cannot send the "Zipped" DTS HD Master or DD Tru HD to the reciever, instead you have to set the PS3 to output LPCM and the PS3 will decode the HD audio and then send it on through. So, no fancy DTS MA or DD True HD lights on the 37. I wish Sony would send a firmware update that would address this issue.

Older PS3 hardware is incapable of bitstream output for the latest generation of codecs (e.g. DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby TrueHD). No PS3 firmware update can address that issue.

AJ
post #252 of 4453
I have an older ps3,which did good with DTS Master but poor with Dolby True HD, there was a huge difference. I hate it when somebody says you can't tell a difference between bit streaming and PCM. I bought a Panasonic blu ray a year ago and bit streamed it to the Pioneer receiver. It's like night and day. The Pioneer sounds far better when it does the decoding. Bass from the sub noticeably tighter and a lot more sound effects and little things are noticeable. Also, I have had the Panasonic decode and send as PCM, same issues...not as good as the receiver doing the work. I never get it when these magazine reviewers talk about letter the blu ray player decode. what's the point of the receiver then?
post #253 of 4453
To all those who PM'd me...check your messages. The eagle has landed

They are open until 9:00PM Pacific time. 12:00 midnight eastern. "Pull the trigger"...
post #254 of 4453
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Originally Posted by zaki133 View Post

I have an older ps3,which did good with DTS Master but poor with Dolby True HD, there was a huge difference. I hate it when somebody says you can't tell a difference between bit streaming and PCM. I bought a Panasonic blu ray a year ago and bit streamed it to the Pioneer receiver. It's like night and day. The Pioneer sounds far better when it does the decoding. Bass from the sub noticeably tighter and a lot more sound effects and little things are noticeable. Also, I have had the Panasonic decode and send as PCM, same issues...not as good as the receiver doing the work. I never get it when these magazine reviewers talk about letter the blu ray player decode. what's the point of the receiver then?

If the PS3 didn't decode DTHD right i don't think dolby would've let sony put it in.

Also do you know even when the player is decoding the receivers DAC's are still used? The receiver is still dong the work. As i was saying earlier, what people are hearing is a volume difference. The receivers set volume is just louder than the PS3's. The should be no reason that by letting the AVR decode it would sound better. None.

Pull out the SPL meter, level match, then compare.

The PS3 has a volume control that you can change from -1 to +4. What if sony never gave us the option to change this and they set it at the highest level? Then everybody would be saying the PS3 is the reference BD player for audio. ha.
post #255 of 4453
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Originally Posted by Blambert007 View Post

I'm interested as well. I'll PM you. thanks

Ditto here for the PM and interest!
post #256 of 4453
PM me too
post #257 of 4453
Thread Starter 
I have an issue where when I program my URC MX-850 with the power on macro for the 37, TV, and the HR24 combined with the macro to set the 37's input to the HR24 (HDMI 1) it will not stay on that input it goes to it's default option TV/SAT. I've tried programming it with different delay settings and moving the order around with no luck. How do I get the input on the 37 to stay at HDMI as a default?
post #258 of 4453
When I bought the receiver I also bought the Bluetooth adapter that is available
As I am typing this on my Droid phone laying back on the couch, I am streaming Pandora to my receiver using my phone's Bluetooth. It sounds amazing. Life is great.
post #259 of 4453
I am aware of all this, but it's still not the same. take the panasonic blu ray. If you have it do the work and send the signal as pcm the bass is not as "tight" as the Pioneer. It's and obvious difference.

On the ps3, I agree with you on the volume, but still. It's not the same. The receiver definitely makes a difference. Some of this may have to do with phase control.
post #260 of 4453
@jnipz...

turn off kurolink...
post #261 of 4453
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Originally Posted by dogone View Post

To all those who PM'd me...check your messages. The eagle has landed

They are open until 9:00PM Pacific time. 12:00 midnight eastern. "Pull the trigger"...

Thanks for the heads up....

The weather was really nice in that part of So Cal today.
post #262 of 4453
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Thanks for the heads up....

The weather was really nice in that part of So Cal today.

LOL....Happy to oblige.... Enjoy!
post #263 of 4453
Does the SC-37 do onscreen volume with anything other than a Pioneer display?
post #264 of 4453
To those with this reciever, the spec sheet says the depth is 18.11 inches. Is that just the depth of the case with the speaker posts extending beyond that length?

thanks
post #265 of 4453
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Originally Posted by tboo View Post

Does the SC-37 do onscreen volume with anything other than a Pioneer display?

No.
post #266 of 4453
Can the SC-37 display the current video input and corresponding video output? Also, can it do the same for the audio?

I would like to be able to verify that it is properly handling formats such as 1080p/24 video and 24/96 flac files streamed from a Squeezebox Touch.

Thanks
post #267 of 4453
^^^

- video. unless something has changed, no.

- audio. it depends.
post #268 of 4453
Has anyone experienced any issues with the video performance? I switched my HDMI cable and still am experiencing issues with the video such as judder, pixilated and grainy picture.

When I run HDMI directly from the cable box to TV, I don't see the same issues as when I run it through the Rcvr.
post #269 of 4453
if you set the avr to "pure" (or whatever they are calling straight pass through with no processing), what happens?
post #270 of 4453
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by akopperl View Post

Can the SC-37 display the current video input and corresponding video output? Also, can it do the same for the audio?

I would like to be able to verify that it is properly handling formats such as 1080p/24 video and 24/96 flac files streamed from a Squeezebox Touch.

Thanks

You can verify both through the iPhone app
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