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post #4171 of 4405
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Originally Posted by 430752 View Post

Running an SC-35 from a motorola Fios box via hdmi and a pioneer BRP via HDMI to a Panny plasma via hdmi.

Problem is, every so often, the video cuts out and goes either black then "snow" or just to snow. Generally it will stay like this for a few seconds (or maybe sometimes up to 20 second) and then go back to a picture. Once in a while it hangs there much longer to the point where I change sources and then change back and this will correct the problem. But, it happens across both video sources (Fios box and Pio BRP - the only two sources I use, other than Ipod or CD, in which case it does not do it that I've noticed). It usually does it once or twice in an hour or two. Tonight it was extra bad, doing it at least four times, once for a long time (I let it work itself out, until after about 3 minutes then I switched to any other source and back).

The unit is about 6 months old. It has been doing it since out of the box (not literally, but first time must've been first week or two). I just figured it was a snag and didn't want to undo the whole system I just created for what was a few second glitch that self corrected. I can't say for sure, but it seems to be getting worse. Either that, or I'm getting more annoyed.

I purchased at Costco, so I should be good on the return if you all say it is a defect. But that's my question: a defect in the receiver or likely elsewhere?

The first thing I would try is a new HDMI cable from your AVR to your display. Long runs of HDMI will cause issues as well. If that's not it the next thing to try would be a different input on the display. And last of all would be the output on the AVR.
post #4172 of 4405
Need some Education!!

I am going to be trying out some speakers... BW CM8s vs Aperion 6Ts...

What is the best way to accurately compare them w this receiver? -35.

I was messing with the settings, ie direct, pure direct etc... why is it that PD sounds really dull and lifeless, but Direct sounds SO much better? All my audio files are lossless.

can I set up the calibration for two different speakers at once? I mean with two different memory settings?

My plan was to run both sets of speakers A/B and switch between them. First with NO EQ then w EQ... sound ok?

Any other tips/thoughts would be appreciated

Frank

PS I STILL get the unit shutting off and on occasionally... Turning off the handshake thing didnt help
post #4173 of 4405
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post

The first thing I would try is a new HDMI cable from your AVR to your display. Long runs of HDMI will cause issues as well. If that's not it the next thing to try would be a different input on the display. And last of all would be the output on the AVR.

I would do the same. If you do not have the required HDMI cables, I suggest you limit your tests to its simplest expression:
One source device (BD OR FIO) direct to TV, with different cable
AVR and TV, using USB on AVR as Source
Finally, all 3 devices )i.e.:BD, AVR, TV) or (FIO, AVR, TV).

As the above poster mentioned.

You have to nail down the problem to one or more of these:
Cable:Type, seating,length,shielding,interference)
Handshake issues between devices (FIO, BDP,AVR,TV)
Damaged port on source,AVR,TV, input or output.

As in any troubleshooting, you will need to use rigourous technique and method to pinpoint the cause (s)
Do not test multiple hypothesis at the same time, be patient.
Even if Costco have a great warranty, they most likely no longer have this product for replacement.
Good Luck!
post #4174 of 4405
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Originally Posted by wyowolf View Post

Need some Education!!

I am going to be trying out some speakers... BW CM8s vs Aperion 6Ts...

What is the best way to accurately compare them w this receiver? -35.

I was messing with the settings, ie direct, pure direct etc... why is it that PD sounds really dull and lifeless, but Direct sounds SO much better? All my audio files are lossless.

can I set up the calibration for two different speakers at once? I mean with two different memory settings?

My plan was to run both sets of speakers A/B and switch between them. First with NO EQ then w EQ... sound ok?

Any other tips/thoughts would be appreciated

Frank

PS I STILL get the unit shutting off and on occasionally... Turning off the handshake thing didnt help

I would not worry much about the EQ at first.
Using banana plugs would allow for quick switching between speakers
Ensure sound level output by speakers is the same by using SPL meter or iPhone app if meter is not available.
I wonder if you could use different output zones to facilitate switching.
ensure switching power off between plugging/unplugging.
In my early days, I would plug one brand to the left, and one different to the right and compare rapidly using the balance button, using a monaural source.

This would give you an idea of speaker sensitivity/output level for same watt provided by amp.
If one brand sounds better without EQ than the other, then you select it for eqing and enjoy the full speaker system.

Hope this helps!
post #4175 of 4405
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Originally Posted by blindguy69 View Post

I would not worry much about the EQ at first.
Using banana plugs would allow for quick switching between speakers
Ensure sound level output by speakers is the same by using SPL meter or iPhone app if meter is not available.
I wonder if you could use different output zones to facilitate switching.
ensure switching power off between plugging/unplugging.
In my early days, I would plug one brand to the left, and one different to the right and compare rapidly using the balance button, using a monaural source.

This would give you an idea of speaker sensitivity/output level for same watt provided by amp.
If one brand sounds better without EQ than the other, then you select it for eqing and enjoy the full speaker system.

Hope this helps!

This is not a fair comparison. If using EQ at all you need to make sure each speaker has it's best response before comparing. If one has a response you like and the other does not you will always pick the one with the response you prefer. The question is if you shape the response of the one dislike will it sound as good as the other speaker? If it does than you pick based on price and looks. BTW, my MCAAC did not make my speakers flat and adjusting it manually could not do it either, just not enough filters. I am going to try the elite as a processor with external DSP and see if it sounds better that way.
post #4176 of 4405
Wyowolf, compared them the way that you will use them. I hardly ever use pure direct or direct with my SC 35. Compared them in stereo with no other speakers with/without MCACC. Use a meter to set both speaker to the same spl for a fair comparison. Due to speaker sensitivity, the one that is more sensitive will most likely sound louder and better. The spl meter will even out the playing field. Imaging, clarity, separation and SQ will determine the winner. The whole ideal is based on what you like, not this accurray thing or I wanted it to be like in the studio, that none of us were in. Even in the studio, they use sound engineers to fix the sound before it goes on sale!
post #4177 of 4405
I pretty much compared them every way I could think of. The 6Ts are defiantly louder at the same volume. I ran the MCACC for both and saved them as mem 1 and 2 and switched between them. they both sounded really good to be honest and it was hard to pick out a winner. So i went with price, the 6Ts were half what i paid for the CM8s, so they went back to BB.

I have a question about using the SPL meter. reading through one of the posts here on how to use it, i basically set it up in my listening position and run tones through the speakers and make sure they are all even correct?
When i did this they were all pretty much even, so i guess the calibration in the receiver worked pretty well. Is there anything else I can do with it? the SPL meter I mean...

I still have the shutdown restart problem, switched speakers, cables, etc... its very frustrating. its like it resets itself each time, it will just turn off, then turn right back on to a previous setting...

However I decided to take the plunge and order some Salk Song Towers... am anxious to see if they live up to everyone's expectations...

thanks for all the advice

Frank


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Originally Posted by derrickdj1 View Post

Wyowolf, compared them the way that you will use them. I hardly ever use pure direct or direct with my SC 35. Compared them in stereo with no other speakers with/without MCACC. Use a meter to set both speaker to the same spl for a fair comparison. Due to speaker sensitivity, the one that is more sensitive will most likely sound louder and better. The spl meter will even out the playing field. Imaging, clarity, separation and SQ will determine the winner. The whole ideal is based on what you like, not this accurray thing or I wanted it to be like in the studio, that none of us were in. Even in the studio, they use sound engineers to fix the sound before it goes on sale!
post #4178 of 4405
The reset problem is most likely a mechanical problem with the avr. See if you can take it to your local Best Buy for repair. They are part of the Authorized repair network.
post #4179 of 4405
I purchased an Universal Dock by Apple via amazon.com and it's not working with my iPhone 4. All works fine without the dock, but with the dock my phone says it can only use 1 accessory at a time.

I tried using my 2nd Generation iPod Nano via the universal dock, and the receiver remains "Connecting..." but never connects. I can remove the dock and everything works fine.

Could it possibly be a faulty dock? or can someone confirm this is normal behaviour? or should I find an older dock that will work with my iPhone 4?

Anyone tried an iPad dock? and does that work with older iPods and iPhones?
post #4180 of 4405
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Originally Posted by aragno View Post

I purchased an Universal Dock by Apple via amazon.com and it's not working with my iPhone 4. All works fine without the dock, but with the dock my phone says it can only use 1 accessory at a time.

I tried using my 2nd Generation iPod Nano via the universal dock, and the receiver remains "Connecting..." but never connects. I can remove the dock and everything works fine.

Could it possibly be a faulty dock? or can someone confirm this is normal behaviour? or should I find an older dock that will work with my iPhone 4?

Anyone tried an iPad dock? and does that work with older iPods and iPhones?

How do you have the dock connected to the AVR (front USB, composite cable, etc)?
post #4181 of 4405
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Originally Posted by aragno View Post

I purchased an Universal Dock by Apple via amazon.com and it's not working with my iPhone 4. All works fine without the dock, but with the dock my phone says it can only use 1 accessory at a time.

I tried using my 2nd Generation iPod Nano via the universal dock, and the receiver remains "Connecting..." but never connects. I can remove the dock and everything works fine.

Could it possibly be a faulty dock? or can someone confirm this is normal behaviour? or should I find an older dock that will work with my iPhone 4?

Anyone tried an iPad dock? and does that work with older iPods and iPhones?

I'm using an Apple Universal Dock with my iPod Classic, and it works just fine. As soon as I connect it via the front USB port, the Pioneer logo appears on the iPod screen and its content becomes available to play on the AVR. Perhaps the dock is not compatible with the iPhone? Good luck.
post #4182 of 4405
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post


How do you have the dock connected to the AVR (front USB, composite cable, etc)?

I using the USB connection in front of the AVR.



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Originally Posted by tightrope View Post


I'm using an Apple Universal Dock with my iPod Classic, and it works just fine. As soon as I connect it via the front USB port, the Pioneer logo appears on the iPod screen and its content becomes available to play on the AVR. Perhaps the dock is not compatible with the iPhone? Good luck.

I purchased the latest universal dock model which I was led to believe should work with an iPhone 4.
post #4183 of 4405
I am thinking of getting XM radio. Does the SC-37 have a built in satellite receiver or do I have to purchase one? I thought if I had a subscription to sirius or XM, that the SC-37 can play it directly with out any other purchases.

I guess I am asking is what do I need to play satellite radio thru my SC-37?

thank you.
post #4184 of 4405
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Originally Posted by BKSinAZ View Post

I am thinking of getting XM radio. Does the SC-37 have a built in satellite receiver or do I have to purchase one? I thought if I had a subscription to sirius or XM, that the SC-37 can play it directly with out any other purchases.

I guess I am asking is what do I need to play satellite radio thru my SC-37?

thank you.

If you pay extra for the Internet subscription it will allow you to log into your account directly from th SC-37 or smart phone app.
post #4185 of 4405
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Originally Posted by Jano18 View Post

If you pay extra for the Internet subscription it will allow you to log into your account directly from th SC-37 or smart phone app.

So your saying that I would need an internet connection? I thought "satellite radio" transmitions where from satellites?

I don't have internet connections in my theater room. Thanks.
post #4186 of 4405
I have a problem with my SC-37... So I decided to hook up the Denon 2910 dvd player to the SC-37 so I can play my collection of SACDs and DVDA discs. (yes, the denon plays sacd and dvda)

Problem, on the SC-37, it appears that the front left channel is out. To trouble shoot if the denon dvd player was at fault, I plugged the front left 'out' of the denon into a different channel on the SC-37. The problem is diffinatly the SC-37 receiver because sound was coming out.

The front left channel on the Pioneer SC-37 works perfectly in every other situation, except when using the Multichannel composite audio cables.
What could be the problem? Sounds serious?
post #4187 of 4405
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Originally Posted by BKSinAZ View Post

I have a problem with my SC-37... So I decided to hook up the Denon 2910 dvd player to the SC-37 so I can play my collection of SACDs and DVDA discs. (yes, the denon plays sacd and dvda)

Problem, on the SC-37, it appears that the front left channel is out. To trouble shoot if the denon dvd player was at fault, I plugged the front left 'out' of the denon into a different channel on the SC-37. The problem is diffinatly the SC-37 receiver because sound was coming out.

The front left channel on the Pioneer SC-37 works perfectly in every other situation, except when using the Multichannel composite audio cables.
What could be the problem? Sounds serious?

Correction: The dvd player is a Denon DVD-3930
post #4188 of 4405
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Originally Posted by BKSinAZ View Post


So your saying that I would need an internet connection? I thought "satellite radio" transmitions where from satellites?

I don't have internet connections in my theater room. Thanks.

He is suggesting that if you already have the subscription in your car for example, you can access the same content online via the receiver and no need for additional hardware to connect to the receiver.
post #4189 of 4405
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Originally Posted by BKSinAZ View Post


So your saying that I would need an internet connection? I thought "satellite radio" transmitions where from satellites?

I don't have internet connections in my theater room. Thanks.

Yes, If you don't have an Internet connection use an app on your smart phone if you have one or purchase a separate satellite receiver for you AVR.
post #4190 of 4405
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Originally Posted by aragno View Post


I using the USB connection in front of the AVR.

I purchased the latest universal dock model which I was led to believe should work with an iPhone 4.

Very strange? I would try using another iOS device or iPod if you have one first. Then I would try exchanging the dock for another one. If you go to the Apple store they will probably help you exchange it.
post #4191 of 4405
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Originally Posted by MKtheater View Post

This is not a fair comparison. If using EQ at all you need to make sure each speaker has it's best response before comparing. If one has a response you like and the other does not you will always pick the one with the response you prefer. The question is if you shape the response of the one dislike will it sound as good as the other speaker? If it does than you pick based on price and looks. BTW, my MCAAC did not make my speakers flat and adjusting it manually could not do it either, just not enough filters. I am going to try the elite as a processor with external DSP and see if it sounds better that way.

MCACC EQ's beyond the ranges we can adjust, right?
post #4192 of 4405
I was wondering if anyone could offer some advice? After running MCACC in various configurations (delay ms, etc) I find that the sound is somewhat flat. I have always had Pioneers Elites and Paradigm studio series all around. I want to start messing with the individual speaker eqs to try and increase the highs.
What advice would anyone with experience in that area have? cheers

* plus what material film scene or audio would be the best to test with while adjusting the channels
post #4193 of 4405
You can try adjusting 4kHz - 1,kHz , but it may be the room. You may have modes causing problems. Try moving the speakers a couple of inches, it may make a difference.
post #4194 of 4405
^^^

if his issue is in the 1k-4k range, i GUARANTEE it's not room modes causing a problem...
post #4195 of 4405
Correction, adjust the 4-16kHz range on the EQ. Describe your bass response and speaker settings. Is the bass boomy, muddy, over powering, ect. What is your x-o, subwoofer settings, speakers on or off wall or corner placement. How is dialogue in movies, easy to hear? Describe your room and seating position.
post #4196 of 4405
^^^

4k-16k wouldn't be room modes either...

if he is trying to make his top end more prominent, why are you so concerned about something that has no effect on that (i.e. the sub)?
post #4197 of 4405
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

4k-16k wouldn't be room modes either...

if he is trying to make his top end more prominent, why are you so concerned about something that has no effect on that (i.e. the sub)?

Just asking general questions to see how the overall system is setup. I suggested EQ in the prescence range and higher frequency band. The guy is asking for help. Just help him if you have something to offer. The question on sub was in relationship to overall system balance where the bass is overpowering the Highs. The goal of the thread is to just help. Sometime people on this thread get so argumentive, or try prove that they are so knowledgeable that they loose sight of the original post.
post #4198 of 4405
@Derrickdj1 The sub is a bit boomy (Paradigm PS1200) and I have all my speakers set to small with 80 xover. I tried redoing the MCACC yesterday with Front Align and it helped a bit. The Dialogue is low so i boosted the center level up a few notches.
The Room acoustics are pretty good and seating is directly in the middle point within all my surrounds.

p.s Which mode do you find exploits surround best between Front Align,All Ch and Symmetry?

Thanx
post #4199 of 4405
All 3 auto MCACC settings sound pretty much the same in my home. Sounds like you have found a happy solution to make things more enjoyable. Great!!! Boosting the eq at the 4kHz for the front stage may make the dialouge better. Try a 2 db boost.
post #4200 of 4405
Here's a suggestion anybody can do (I use it in my sound training seminars when training sound techs for church): Run pink noise into the system at a moderate volume (not too loud, no reason to stress speakers or ears). Go into the manual EQ menu and set all EQ sliders to flat (0). Then, one by one, raise to max and drop to min several times. This will give you an idea of how the frequency bands relate to what you hear.

Another thing I do is hand out a chart that shows a piano keyboard and various instruments mapped to frequencies. Again, you can relate a known sound to a frequency. Everest's book has a nice one (the one I use is pulled from a 50's-era reference book for radio engineers).

Once you know how frequencies relate to the sounds you hear, you can decide which to tweak if you want more bass, deeper vocals, a little brighter dialogue, etc.

HTH - Don
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