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^^^ Note if you use room correction and/or bass management you will still be going through the AVR's converters.

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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Warren: I have an Oppo 83SE which has excellent DA converters, probably better than the ones in my SC35, so I would like to have that analog capability just in case I want to play a concert or music performance on BD. also, I have an older, but still good, Pioneer DV59AVi DVD player, which could benefit from some scaling to 1080P not to mention my Pioneer DVL700 laserdisc player which could definitely use some scaling. According to Pioneer, if what they call their "video converter" is turned on in the video adjustments menu, the Marvel scaler will be working. Strange that there is actually no mention of the Marvel name or even that there is an internal scaler in the manual. I don't know who writes their manuals, but they can be quite confusing at times not to mention lacking in proper explanations of features or functions.

you could run component video out from your Oppo...and then run analog audio to the SC35...give it a listen

The run the set up with HDMI audio and video and see which you prefer

That should be an indicator of your preference for DAC capability

I dont use any older sources anymore...and I used to have a couple of the ones you mentioned

You are right on the video scaling capability of this unit...the advertisement( sell sheet) mentions Marvel

From what I see there is nothing else discussed in the manual about it


Pioneer has always seem to shy away from the video scaling and intricate menus of some of the other brands...Denon, Yamaha and Onkyo all have extensive GUI's in their new units


Warren
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

you could run component video out from your Oppo...and then run analog audio to the SC35...give it a listen

The run the set up with HDMI audio and video and see which you prefer

That should be an indicator of your preference for DAC capability

I dont use any older sources anymore...and I used to have a couple of the ones you mentioned

You are right on the video scaling capability of this unit...the advertisement( sell sheet) mentions Marvel

From what I see there is nothing else discussed in the manual about it


Pioneer has always seem to shy away from the video scaling and intricate menus of some of the other brands...Denon, Yamaha and Onkyo all have extensive GUI's in their new units


Warren
Warren: If I run component video out of my Oppo, It turns off the HDMI output (there is just one on the BD83) and then I have to make a bunch of changes in settings in the Oppo's menu to make sure the component settings are correct , and then I'm not sure if these new settings will affect the HDMI settings. I wouldn't think so, but I'll have to look at that again; however I have a "plan 2." I have purchased a HDMI splitter from Amazon (made by Sewell ) which will take the HDMI out of the Oppo and then will allow me to connect two more cables to the SC35, one to BD and the other to HDMI 1. And then I'm hoping I can assign HDMI 1 to the multi analog out . In this way, I'll still have 1080p capability plus analog audio. What do you think of that? According to the Sewell spec sheet, the splitter is HDMI 1.3b compliant so hopefully it won't degrade the video.
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I'm having another issue with my SC-35 and that is I can't bring up the "Video Parameters"menu in the receiver's window. When I press the button for this on the remote, all I get is the first item in that menu which is "Video Converter." None of the other options will appear when I press the "arrow down" key. I called tech support about this and they told me that this menu could only be used in conjunction with an analog video input. Well, I tried that, too and still can't the any other the options to appear. What am I doing wrong? Does this unit need a firmware upgrade or could something be wrong with the unit? Thanks.
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I couldn't find my answer in this section, so i started a new thread in hopes someone would help me quickly. I have a SC-35 and i'm looking to find out:

If I have 7.1 setup in my theater and I select speaker setup "E" will i get 7.1 and go to 5.1 when I turn on another zone?
Or can I just use Speaker setup "B" and get 7.1 and drop to 5.1 when I use Zone 2?

here is my thead...for more indepth details...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454684/pioneer-sc-35-5-1-or-7-1-with-multi-zone-setup-confusion-manual-excerpts-attached

Thank you

(newbie)
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Originally Posted by h1000101b View Post

I couldn't find my answer in this section, so i started a new thread in hopes someone would help me quickly. I have a SC-35 and i'm looking to find out:

If I have 7.1 setup in my theater and I select speaker setup "E" will i get 7.1 and go to 5.1 when I turn on another zone?
Or can I just use Speaker setup "B" and get 7.1 and drop to 5.1 when I use Zone 2?

here is my thead...for more indepth details...

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1454684/pioneer-sc-35-5-1-or-7-1-with-multi-zone-setup-confusion-manual-excerpts-attached

Thank you

(newbie)
Dear Newbie, I think Pioneer's manuals confuse everybody. What is speaker setup "E"? I don't recall that one? Also, from one SC-35 owner to another, how do you think the receiver sounds? I feel that it's more than a little "bright" sounding. Im using the "X-Curve" and it's still bright.
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

I'm having another issue with my SC-35 and that is I can't bring up the "Video Parameters"menu in the receiver's window. When I press the button for this on the remote, all I get is the first item in that menu which is "Video Converter." None of the other options will appear when I press the "arrow down" key

you have to turn Video Converter on before any parameters are available. not clear from your post if this is the case. when video converter appears in the display, try either "enter" of the right nav key for on/off. once it's on, all the parameters become available

and in previous models, what Pioneer told you was correct, it was for analog only. however, I'm not sure if it was the 37/35 gen or the previous 27/25 gen but Pioneer changed the design so that it's in the signal path for HDMI. IIRC, the 37/35 models were when they made the change.

you should have it available for HDMI.
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

you have to turn Video Converter on before any parameters are available. not clear from your post if this is the case. when video converter appears in the display, try either "enter" of the right nav key for on/off. once it's on, all the parameters become available

and in previous models, what Pioneer told you was correct, it was for analog only. however, I'm not sure if it was the 37/35 gen or the previous 27/25 gen but Pioneer changed the design so that it's in the signal path for HDMI. IIRC, the 37/35 models were when they made the change.

you should have it available for HDMI.
Well, I discovered that in order for any of the menu options to appear, other than the VC option, the receiver needs to be set to an "active" video input (ie "turned on"). Here's my question: why don't they tell you this crap in the manual? It's ridiculous! The sound quality of this receiver is way too "sterile sounding" anyway. I'm trading it in for a Marantz SR 7007. I've already had a look at their manual and it looks way better than Pioneer's.
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Well, I discovered that in order for any of the menu options to appear, other than the VC option, the receiver needs to be set to an "active" video input (ie "turned on"). Here's my question: why don't they tell you this crap in the manual? It's ridiculous! The sound quality of this receiver is way too "sterile sounding" anyway. I'm trading it in for a Marantz SR 7007. I've already had a look at their manual and it looks way better than Pioneer's.

no companies manuals are that good. you're right, it should be stated in the manual.

if you think it through, Pioneer allow you to set different video parameters for every video input, so it kind of makes sense that they "expect" the video source to be "on" at the time you get into the menu...to see the results of changes you make, etc. they can't allow you to make settings globally because that will change all other sources and probably mess up their own picture quality. other companies may implement the video processor differently, maybe global settings or if they are input specific, just select the input without it needing to be on. I certainly don't know exactly how the Marantz or Denon GUI menu works.

if I read between the lines you're more frustrated with it not being stated in the manual more so than how it works.

but when I personally discovered how this worked myself, it made sense to me intuitively. I didn't get upset about it wink.gif

if you think you'd like the Marantz better, go for it. its your money. and I agree, the Marantz/Denon manual format has some advantages. I have recently given that opinion, with specific examples, to someone high up at Pioneer US.

but let me ask, did you try using the AVNav software? a lot of interactivity between setting up & using the receiver combined with hyperlinked information in the manual that's in the disc software. makes it a bit easier for newcomers to how Pioneer does things.

sound quality? you do realize this is a 3 year old model, using Ice amps vs. the last 2 years which use a different class D amp design. personally I don't find either one "sterile" but that's my hearing. and comparing a 3 yr model with a new released model, did you consider listening to one of the new Pioneer SC-68/67/65/61 models? just asking...
Edited by ss9001 - 1/28/13 at 11:50am
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

no companies manuals are that good. you're right, it should be stated in the manual.

if you think it through, Pioneer allow you to set different video parameters for every video input, so it kind of makes sense that they "expect" the video source to be "on" at the time you get into the menu...to see the results of changes you make, etc. they can't allow you to make settings globally because that will change all other sources and probably mess up their own picture quality. other companies may implement the video processor differently, maybe global settings or if they are input specific, just select the input without it needing to be on. I certainly don't know exactly how the Marantz or Denon GUI menu works.

if I read between the lines you're more frustrated with it not being stated in the manual more so than how it works.

but when I personally discovered how this worked myself, it made sense to me intuitively. I didn't get upset about it wink.gif

if you think you'd like the Marantz better, go for it. its your money. and I agree, the Marantz/Denon manual format has some advantages. I have recently given that opinion, with specific examples, to someone high up at Pioneer US.

but let me ask, did you try using the AVNav software? a lot of interactivity between setting up & using the receiver combined with hyperlinked information in the manual that's in the disc software. makes it a bit easier for newcomers to how Pioneer does things.

sound quality? you do realize this is a 3 year old model, using Ice amps vs. the last 2 years which use a different class D amp design. personally I don't find either one "sterile" but that's my hearing. and comparing a 3 yr model with a new released model, did you consider listening to one of the new Pioneer SC-68/67/65/61 models? just asking...
How does one access the "AV Nav software?" I have never heard of it. The SC-35 came with a "hard copy" manual, not a CD like they do now. I bought my SC-35 on April 2011 and it took me until Jan. of this year to hook it up. I had a lot of "separation anxiety" parting with my Pioneer 56xTXi, which has Mosfet amplification, but no HDMI. Pioneer's newer models do not have a 7.1 analog input, which I consider essential if one has an Oppo BD player or one of similar quality. It seems that Pioneer decided that, and wrongly so IMO, no one needed 7.1 analog inputs anymore. I don't like being told my a manufacturer what I do and don't need and Marantz hasn't deleted their 7.1 inputs, since they know there are legions of analog buffs out here like me who want that option. The only Pioneer which still has that option is the SC68, which costs "an arm and a leg."
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

How does one access the "AV Nav software?" I have never heard of it. The SC-35 came with a "hard copy" manual, not a CD like they do now. I bought my SC-35 on April 2011 and it took me until Jan. of this year to hook it up. I had a lot of "separation anxiety" parting with my Pioneer 56xTXi, which has Mosfet amplification, but no HDMI. Pioneer's newer models do not have a 7.1 analog input, which I consider essential if one has an Oppo BD player or one of similar quality. It seems that Pioneer decided that, and wrongly so IMO, no one needed 7.1 analog inputs anymore. I don't like being told my a manufacturer what I do and don't need and Marantz hasn't deleted their 7.1 inputs, since they know there are legions of analog buffs out here like me who want that option. The only Pioneer which still has that option is the SC68, which costs "an arm and a leg."

1st, my mistake, the AVNav disc has been with last year's & this year's models. so you are correct.

2nd, I can relate to your "anxiety". I had the 49Txi & 59Txi and went to the SC-09 when it came out & also have the SC-68. I got over it once I started listening. the vast majority of opinion, including reviewers like the king of analog himself, Michael Fremer, in his review of the SC-57, is that SC models have excellent sound quality. some may prefer an Audyssey based room EQ solution, or class A/B amps & that's their choice.

3rd, well, Onkyo's new $3K flagship receiver 5010 has none. took them out. you talk about Pioneer only having it in their "arm & a leg" model - you won't find them in Denon's 3313 either, the next model down from their top model, the 4520CI

4th "arm & and a leg". I hope you know you can find authorized dealers that will discount the SC-68?

seems that you're not happy with the SC-35 you bought. and not happy with Pioneer.

OK get what you want.
Edited by ss9001 - 1/28/13 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by ss9001 View Post

1st, my mistake, the AVNav disc has been with last year's & this year's models. so you are correct.

2nd, I can relate to your "anxiety". I had the 49Txi & 59Txi and went to the SC-09 when it came out & also have the SC-68. I got over it once I started listening. the vast majority of opinion, including reviewers like the king of analog himself, Michael Fremer, in his review of the SC-57, is that SC models have excellent sound quality. some may prefer an Audyssey based room EQ solution, or class A/B amps & that's their choice.

3rd, well, Onkyo's new $3K flagship receiver 5010 has none. took them out. you talk about Pioneer only having it in their "arm & a leg" model - you won't find them in Denon's 3313 either, the next model down from their top model, the 4520CI

4th "arm & and a leg". I hope you know you can find authorized dealers that will discount the SC-68?

seems that you're not happy with the SC-35 you bought. and not happy with Pioneer.

OK get what you want.
Well, I'm not trying to bad-mouth Pioneer necessarily. I have purchased many of their products over the years, including the DV59-AVi, which I still use, the BD95FD which I replaced with an Oppo 83SE, my 59TXi, and my display is a Pioneer KRP-600M. So, I have paid my dues to Pioneer, but it seems like they, along with many other manufacturers, have joined the "receiver of the month" club, coming out with new models before the solder has had a chance to cure on their current models. Give me a break! And, my dealer did offer me a "deal on the SC-68, trading in my SC-35 with a trade difference of $1100. Well, that same dealer offered me the Marantz 7007 with a trade difference of $650. So, guess what? I can't afford to pile up receivers in my closet, so I think I'll go with the Marantz. I think it will sound more like my 59, which I liked very much. I have never worked with Audessey's system, but it seems like it has a better way to EQ the room, doing it from several locations. Many of the pros do it this way.
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I am selling an SC 37 in absolute perfect condition, if anyone is interested
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post

Well, I'm not trying to bad-mouth Pioneer necessarily. I have purchased many of their products over the years, including the DV59-AVi, which I still use, the BD95FD which I replaced with an Oppo 83SE, my 59TXi, and my display is a Pioneer KRP-600M. So, I have paid my dues to Pioneer, but it seems like they, along with many other manufacturers, have joined the "receiver of the month" club, coming out with new models before the solder has had a chance to cure on their current models. Give me a break! And, my dealer did offer me a "deal on the SC-68, trading in my SC-35 with a trade difference of $1100. Well, that same dealer offered me the Marantz 7007 with a trade difference of $650. So, guess what? I can't afford to pile up receivers in my closet, so I think I'll go with the Marantz. I think it will sound more like my 59, which I liked very much. I have never worked with Audessey's system, but it seems like it has a better way to EQ the room, doing it from several locations. Many of the pros do it this way.

depending on where you are and if there are some Magnolia Home Theater( inside Best Buy) locations near you they have been clearing out receivers for the last couple of months

In regard to sound quality etc...I scored an Sc57 at about 35% of retail a couple of weeks ago
Honestly...I think the Sc37 sounds better. The Sc57( post MCACC ) sounds bright to me
I pulled it out and put the Sc37 back

IMO....the higher end Yamaha's (A2010, A3010, A2020, A3020) are stellar sounding all around pieces excelling in both music and HT...though their amp sections leave something to be desired
The Onkyo products are stellar for HT...but not so much for music. I have a Yamaha A2010 and a Onkyo 5009 currently as well
I havent owned a Denon since the 4310 and I didnt care for it( sold it on ebay for a profit) and I have never owned a Marantz AVR

I have an old Pioneer VSX47TX...its a tank...and the most musical AVR I have ever owned
Every once in a while I pull it out of the closet and give it a listen

In these days though..IMO consumers are so much "home theater" oriented that those AVR's that are stellar in that regard are the ones that are the bigger sellers


Warren
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^ Ice based amp... hello
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Originally Posted by turnne1 View Post

depending on where you are and if there are some Magnolia Home Theater( inside Best Buy) locations near you they have been clearing out receivers for the last couple of months

In regard to sound quality etc...I scored an Sc57 at about 35% of retail a couple of weeks ago
Honestly...I think the Sc37 sounds better. The Sc57( post MCACC ) sounds bright to me
I pulled it out and put the Sc37 back

IMO....the higher end Yamaha's (A2010, A3010, A2020, A3020) are stellar sounding all around pieces excelling in both music and HT...though their amp sections leave something to be desired
The Onkyo products are stellar for HT...but not so much for music. I have a Yamaha A2010 and a Onkyo 5009 currently as well
I havent owned a Denon since the 4310 and I didnt care for it( sold it on ebay for a profit) and I have never owned a Marantz AVR

I have an old Pioneer VSX47TX...its a tank...and the most musical AVR I have ever owned
Every once in a while I pull it out of the closet and give it a listen

In these days though..IMO consumers are so much "home theater" oriented that those AVR's that are stellar in that regard are the ones that are the bigger sellers
My 56xTXi is probably very similar in sound quality to your 47TX, so you can see why I was so reluctant to part with it. Anyway, my dealer is letting me trade in the SC35 for the Marantz SR7007, so I'm hoping that will do the trick. I lost some money on the deal, but that won't be the first time. wish me luck!


Warren
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Originally Posted by William Moore View Post


yes...I moved last summer and so the 47tx has seen nothing but "box in the closet" duty recently

Its a very strong musical piece...that seems built like a tank and an especially good deal for a $180 Ebay purchase....smile.gif

Makes me wonder if it had the newest HDMI connections and room correction how it would perform

At this point though I think I am through "jockeying" AVR's unless ofcouse I run into another insane deal I cant refuse

I have decided I like the sound of the SC37 better than the SC57...so the SC57 is now in a closet as well. may get around to selling that one here at some point

I am more focused right now on my main listening area where I have separates..currently run by an Onkyo 5508 pre/pro


I have been reading the Maramtz 8801 forum and I have to say that piece sounds VERY interesting. The early buyers say it does 2 channel music AND HT very well....something I cant say for most modern pieces until you get to the Anthem, Krell, McIntosh price points...though I give the newer higher end Yamaha AVR's a little credit in that department


Warren
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I Have an SC-35 that has been in storage.
I want set it up for our media room but ran into a problem.
The included microphone for the MCACC has a cord that is too short to reach from the remote equipment bay to the listening position.
Is it OK to splice a piece of cable (with solder) into the cord to increase the length?
If so, what type of cable is required? Does it require some sort of shielded microphone cable, or will something like two or three conductor headphone cable work OK?
Thanks.
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Selling a SC 37 in perfect condition pm me.
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Just purchased a Sony BDP-S590 Blu-ray player. When I plugged in the HDMI cable from the S590 into the SC-37 BD input, I get DTS audio (using The Dark Knight Rises) but no picture. I am using component cables out of the SC-37 to my legacy Pioneer PRO 510HD television (no HDMI input). When I go into the System Setup/Input Setup on the SC-37 menu for BD input, the Digital In, HDMI Input and Component In are all greyed out. Anyone know why DTS audio comes through but no video? How do I resolve without hooking up a composite cable from the S590 to the tv?

Thanks
John
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Originally Posted by sf49erjohn View Post

Just purchased a Sony BDP-S590 Blu-ray player. When I plugged in the HDMI cable from the S590 into the SC-37 BD input, I get DTS audio (using The Dark Knight Rises) but no picture. I am using component cables out of the SC-37 to my legacy Pioneer PRO 510HD television (no HDMI input). When I go into the System Setup/Input Setup on the SC-37 menu for BD input, the Digital In, HDMI Input and Component In are all greyed out. Anyone know why DTS audio comes through but no video? How do I resolve without hooking up a composite cable from the S590 to the tv?

Thanks
John

The SC-37 does not down convert HDMI to analog, page 31 of the user's manual. You have to put in component to get component out. It will up convert analog to HDMI, but not the other way.
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Originally Posted by Spacedave View Post

The SC-37 does not down convert HDMI to analog, page 31 of the user's manual. You have to put in component to get component out. It will up convert analog to HDMI, but not the other way.

Thanks SpaceDave! Ah yes the lovely Users Manual! Has anyone had luck using a HDMI converter to Component? Would that work in my config? If so, can you refer me to a manufacturer?

Again, thanks for all of your expertise!
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I have no direct experience with HMDI to component converters. Amazon lists several and I noted that the cheap cable ones have poor reviews and may not work for you, need to get up into the $50-60 range before you get component conversion, half that for composite, lower resolution. I did not check ebay, but sometimes there are off-shore suppliers that are much cheaper if you can wait for week or so shipping;
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just a quick question on these recievers..do they have a '5 or 7 channel stereo' audio mode..cant find one when i scroll through the surround modes..


actually for a sc-07 but shud be the same..

anyone ?
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7-channel is either with the extra speakers set for height or wide, your choice when you set up your speaker system.

Decoding up to 7.1 channels is on the following modes:

Dolby Pro Logic IIx Movie
Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music
Dolby Pro Logic IIx Game
Dolby Pro Logic IIz Height
Wide Surround Movie
Wide Surround Music
Neo 6 Movie
Neo 6 Music
Natural Surround
and XM HD Surround.

This is all on Pages 59-60 of the SC-37 Manual. As usual, consult the manual for your specific unit. They are available for download on the Pioneer website.
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Originally Posted by humbland View Post

I Have an SC-35 that has been in storage.
I want set it up for our media room but ran into a problem.
The included microphone for the MCACC has a cord that is too short to reach from the remote equipment bay to the listening position.
Is it OK to splice a piece of cable (with solder) into the cord to increase the length?
If so, what type of cable is required? Does it require some sort of shielded microphone cable, or will something like two or three conductor headphone cable work OK?
Thanks.

Bump.
Does anyone know if it's possible to splice the mike cable for the MCACC?
Has anyone tried it?
Thanks.
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I would buy a mono extender cable instead of cutting the mic's cable. Yes it should be shielded coax but you can pick up extenders at Radio Shack or other stores (maybe even WalMart) or order online Monoprice, Parts Express, etc.) I seem to recall someone adding a 25' - 30' patch cable, which seems a little long to me but apparently it worked OK.
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Originally Posted by DonH50 View Post

I would buy a mono extender cable instead of cutting the mic's cable. Yes it should be shielded coax but you can pick up extenders at Radio Shack or other stores (maybe even WalMart) or order online Monoprice, Parts Express, etc.) I seem to recall someone adding a 25' - 30' patch cable, which seems a little long to me but apparently it worked OK.

Thanks,
I did not realize that it was a standard mono jack. Great idea.
I luv this forum!
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Hello folks. up until now I have been keeping my SC-37 on the top shelf of my TV Stand, side by side with the center speaker. It is time to move my SC-37 to it's own rack together with a Tivo Premiere (no room on the TV stand). I have not been able to find a rack that will accommodate the SC-37. I do not want to get a new TV stand, what I have is great and it works well for me. I need an additional rack. Anybody here has a rack that works well with the SC-37?, most of the rack I find online are not deep enough to hold the SC-37.
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Finding an out-of-the-box stand that can accomodate an SC-37 was a challenge I quit after buying and returning at least 3 different commercial stands...

When it is not the height, it is its depth that poses quite a challenge, and sometimes its 40 pounds weight!

Even if the shelf seems deep enough, once you connect HDMI, Component, the Power Cable and banana plugs and finally the RS-32, the depth gets beyond 20"!

The proximity of the above mentioned connectors sometimes complicates things with stands that have a dust-preventing back panel.

Don't forget the front knobs and the front opening/flip panel,

I even tried HDMI connectors that can angled 90 degrees and it wasn't helping much.

Like me, it is just too big!

And there is no wife I know that will let you get a rack that will accomodate your SC-37 that won't cost you a roundtrip in the Bahamas or a diamond ring, unless you get a custom made rack, that will most likely not fit next time the upgrade bug bites.

And once you find the rack that fits...Then comes the centre channel!

When I will build my home theatre in the basement, I will leave an opening in the wall, under the screen, like a fireplace, that will have 48" wide shelves, and the back of this wall will be a closet, where you can easily access the back of your gear and store all your media .

But such an opening in the wall may interfere with the acoustics...

I even consider finding a smaller receiver...Which may be available when 4k TVS become affordable!

So, my long post may not give you the answers you were expecting, but I hope it helped or make you smile!
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