Originally Posted by nicholc2
I'm done debating this with you. You will never believe anything else but what you already believe no matter how many people tell you otherwise. I have tested it on the TV you are proposing to get and you have the results. Do with them what you will. I will leave any further debate on the issue to Doug and/or gtgray.
Don't send him to me...
BTW, my Duo VP is set to Auto on output. Which means it goes by the EDID information that the Mits is providing to determine how it sets the ouput to send to the Mits and the format is selects to send is YCbCr 444 and 36 bit.
This is regardless of the input color space or video level. From the tests I have done manually trying different input color spaces and video levels the 444 going to the Mits produces the least objectionable best looking results. Sending it in 36bit produces the smoothest gray ramp and seems not to crunch the blacks. What is nice about the Duo is that you get an accurate reporting of what is coming in from a source and what the VP is sending out. Source devices sometimes do something other than what you think based on the settings selected. PC video cards are especially weird and they could very well be different from driver version to driver version.
Full BTB/WTW come trough pretty much regardless of source.. Yes there are ways to get a particualr source not to send BTB/WTW but generally someone has to work at it on modestly recent/modern devices.
I will have to check the PS3 going through my gear to the Mits but I don't expect anything else. I know for a fact I have seen BTB/WTW on the PS3 attached to other sets in my house. I just never had a reason to run the PS3 on the Mits until now. I have the 3d adapter coming and I will test the PS3 later in the week in 3d mode. I will report back into this thread after that. Caveat that mine is a 2009, though I would be astonished if the way 2010 handles all but 3d input is any different between model years. I was just at my brother's house tonight where sits my Samsung 2008 72" DLP and we used exactly the same tweaks I have run on my ATI graphics card HTPC to his HTPC.
This allowed him to get his onboard Radeon graphics controller to run PowerDVD 10, Win 7 Media Center video material encoded in both HD and SD all at the correct (video) levels. His set passed BTB, WTW and did not clip white. Unfortunately is does like so many TVs have trouble with clipping green.
I did not calibrate his set tonight just set the levels and I used the Spears and Munsil BD Benchmark for the test patterns. I never put a meter on that set when I had it in my living room and I can't for the life of me remember how it was set up at that time but what I found interesting is that my eyes have become so much better trained than they used to be then. All those meter readings I guess.
Since I have calibrated the Mits so many times. I found I can visually remember fairly closely what a 6500k grayscale ramp should look like and what HD 709 color bars should look like.
When the Sammy 2008 DLP set was in Cinema mode and set to warm 1, a combination which should have been the closest to calibrated using presets or any other color temp for that matter, the HD color bars were way off. We set it to Normal mode and to the warmest color temp available in the Normal preset which was also called Normal and the color bars immediately looked right. Grayscale was not the right color temp, it was too cold clearly, but it was close enough that suddenly even without a meter the set looked smashing on his HTPC .
Most likely you will get some color clipping on the Mits sets no matter what you do unless you have the contrast down a lot. Is that what you are seeing on your new baby? I am anxious to hear more about it when that lamp is burned in.